body of science Lab tests...

[ironwill]

Not sure if u guys read this yet. From BodyofScience:

As most of you know, we have been working on the release of “UNDERGROUND ANABOLICS”, a book that examines steroid prohibition and the underground market. Today, we received the first set of lab results, which involves a test for bacterial contamination. After giving it some thought and consulting with Ronny, we agreed that the information on the failed products is important and should be released immediately.

We have not identified the bacteria species specifically so the potential risks cannot be determined. The risk in using a bacteria contaminated product can range from nothing, to serious illness. It is likely that bacteria are associated with many common reports of excessively painful or infected injection sites.

The following products failed for having 100 or more colony forming units (CFU) of bacteria.

Steroid....................Listed Manufacturer............Lot # ........Product Date
*Nandrolone Decanoate ........Diamond.....................00022.......05/01/2012
Testosterone Propionate........Elite Fitness.................0070312....12/2010
Testosterone Enanthate.........Unigen........................E8 03.........02/2010
Drostanolone Enanthate........ Golden Gear.................138..........06/2011
*Stanozolol........................ Alpha Pharma...............RX7001.....08/2010
*Stanozolol........................ Axio............................TV7R86.....12/2012
*Testosterone Suspension..... Geneza........................GP103........062011

* These products had bacteria levels significantly above the acceptable threshold, indicating notable contamination.

It is important to emphasize that the vast majority of our samples were obtained from the black market. Inherently, such products cannot be verified for authenticity. Given the high prevalence of counterfeiting with black market steroid products, even at times counterfeiting of underground labs, these are named as “Listed Manufacturer” only. It is unknown if the listed manufacturer is the true producer. If you have obtained one of these specific products on the black market you should be aware of the potential risks. We advise against using it.





I dont know if there are ulterior motives here etc....just thought i would share this from another board..
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[trainharder]

Any Canadian labs being tested?

[flapjack]

I say, stick with what works best for you. I have bought human grade gear in the past, and got burned (fake). I love my Canadian UG brand of choice, and have no reason to use anything else.

[ironwill]

agreed, just wanted to post for conversation sake.....
Go Canada...:)

[flapjack]

Although I agree with alot of what W.L. says, I thing EVERYONE has a hidden adgenda.

[rickyboy36]

Got this from another board as well.I never tried it but some swear it works:

You guys need to use a sterilizing light on your filled syringes before you do injections. Something cheap like this gets the job done, and it doesn't matter how dirty the gear is:

http://cgi.ebay.com/UV-C-Light-Sanitizer-Sterilizer-Germ-Free-Cleaner_W0QQitemZ380122218601QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH _DefaultDomain_0?hash=item58810cc069&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1205|66%3A2|65%3A12|39%3A1|240%3A13 18|301%3A0|293%3A1|294%3A50

[ironwill]

nifty device

[rickyboy36]

nifty device

Yes sir!.I mean if its true that it does really work i think it would be worth the money.A wise health choice in my opinion.Ill try to get more info on this product..if anyone is interested

[BAM]

Shitty.. just picked up some diamond.

[Monka]

I have a hard time believing any these test, really if a UG cant keep heat on and kill all bac. then there problems. i am sure every test will find something bad in everything

[hyperlite32]

I have a hard time believing any these test, really if a UG cant keep heat on and kill all bac. then there problems. i am sure every test will find something bad in everything

Agreed!

[Monka]

sweet, info, but auto calves most will be used to sterilize bottles,vials/bowls/SS spoon, beakers. and most should have there own small (larger) toast oven ONLY for cooking usp oil and gear, well, heat ? that can vary, like winny is 455, so lol, no harm , good ol time in heat, for hormone oils ,solvents etc and if filters are not sterile, and you need to know melting temp of said raws,and let cook at or JUST above for a while, to kill what ya, can, but imo autoclaves are need for unsterilized vials and accessories, and can do pressure
if you filter is the whatmans .45um then that should also kill lots and you'll notice sterile oils will plug filter less. .22 is meant for water base.

[Ongeau]

Shitty.. just picked up some diamond.

these are form another site, but I know the poster and it was only 2 months ago.

first 2 pcs are Tren E, and then NPP

just a heads up is all,

[BAM]

Does anyone know of a site that has the UV lights, that takes paypal?

or a store that might stock these things?

Seems like something good to have around.

[rickyboy36]

Does anyone know of a site that has the UV lights, that takes paypal?

or a store that might stock these things?

Seems like something good to have around.

take a look here..you might be able to find one and they have paypal too

http://www.allergybuyersclubshopping.com/germ-guardian-uvc-light-wand.html

[BAM]

Thanks RB. Green for you.

[BAM]

for all you *cough* 'homebrewers' out there, this would be the cats ass:

http://buynail.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=2035
or

http://www.saloninteriors.com/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=SI&Product_Code=11712

[rickyboy36]

You guys are aware that UV light degrades the hormone right? That's why most gear says to keep out of sunlight.

degrades the hormone??Hospitals use this method.Where did you see or hear this ?

[BAM]

You guys are aware that UV light degrades the hormone right? That's why most gear says to keep out of sunlight.

Does anyone know how much it would be degraded with the short 20-30 seconds it would take to sterilize?

Is refiltering the only viable solution?

[nisser]

these are form another site, but I know the poster and it was only 2 months ago.

first 2 pcs are Tren E, and then NPP

just a heads up is all,

Those aren't bacteria but crashed hormone. Hormone generally crystalizes like that.


Oh and for people exposing their vials to UV...dont' be stupid. It's also likely to break down your hormone.

[nisser]

degrades the hormone??Hospitals use this method.Where did you see or hear this ?

Hospitals DO NOT sterilize any sort of chemical with UV. They will do it on certain surgical tools but that's just plain metal.

There's a ton of misinformation here. Stop it.

[rickyboy36]

Hospitals DO NOT sterilize any sort of chemical with UV. They will do it on certain surgical tools but that's just plain metal.

There's a ton of misinformation here. Stop it.

Again,i got this from another board.Im a merely just copying and pasting and therefore have no knowledge on the subject.I do however know that the guy in question is very credible.He also states in another post that the best method is doing it through the syringue and not the vial itself.Remember,we want UVC(short lenght) not UV

I have looked into this briefly and will share what I have found in hopes some of you can add to or expand on this concern.

Photolysis (Photocatalysis) is the splitting of molecules (molecular bonds) by influence of light, particularly the UV spectrum of sunlight.
Many drugs are succeptible to this route of degradation and are thus recommended to stay out of direct sunlight. Steroidal compounds are also in this class. This can be noted under RX storage conditions (Testosterone preparations) that state not ot expose to light (sunlight).
The UV spectrum of light is divided into 3 ranges of wavelengths (nm): UVA, UVB, and UVC.

Ultraviolet A or long wave UVA: 320-400nm
Ultraviolet B or medium wave UVB: 280-320nm
Ultraviolet C, short wave, or germicidal UVC: 100-280nm *This is the bulb/wavelength used in sanitizer units

Note: UV radiation from sunlight is absorbed by the ozone layer and only a fraction makes it to the earth surface. 99% of UV radiation at the earths surface is UVA.

The use of UV radiation is quite prevelent in the water treatment industry. Photolysis of harmful pathogens (DNA) is achieved via exposure to UVC radiation.
Another great concern is the increasing levels of steroidal hormones (Estrogens, Progesterones, and Testosterone) in treatment water.
These hormones are the target of UVA, UVB, and UVC photolytic treatments that shows significant breakdown into applicable non active metabolites.
One treatment study showed that exposure to UVA (with and without accelerant/ph buffers) reduced Testosterone in treatment samples by 50% after 3-4 hours. 90+% of the hormone was reduced within 20 hours.
The power of the UVA source was not discussed, however, this would make a big difference between a cheap handheld UVA unit vs. a commercial high wattage unit.
UVC is discussed as well with respect to photolysis of hormones however, I have not seen the actual statistical results.
I do believe that testosterone is much more succeptible to UVC degradation do to the UV absorbtion profile of testosterone (approx 200-265nm which is UVC range)








It has already been stated in more than one water treatment study on UV, that the cost of running UVC is much greater do to the higher wattages needed, and thus it is much costlier than using UVA.

So, how much UVC exposure is needed by testosterone or aas solutions/suspensions and for how long before a noticable percentage is degraded?

Better question would be: How long of an exposure to UVC (germicidal wavelength) would an AAS solution need to be effective, and does this time frame significantly increase unacceptable photolytic destruction of the hormone.

So far, from the general pocket sterilizer writeups, average timeframe is about 30-60 seconds for surface irradiation. How much is needed for a vial of test to be effective? Right now I have no idea, but I do have my reservations about 60 seconds having any significant impact on pathogens especially coming from a small insignificantly powered Pocket UVC LED.
It seems as though the commercial applications ar mote conservative with respect to germicidal effects of UV, however, I need to look at this in more detail since I am not certain.

So far, however, it seems possible that the germicidal exposure timeframe is much more narrow than the timeframes needed to induce significant damage to the hormone...............

He is currently doing more research on the subject so ill come back with more info the moment he posts it up

[nisser]

Then you need to put a disclaimer that says that it's just copy/pasted and UNVERIFIED information.

There's a shitton of misinformation on this board as it is and we don't need more.

I'll bold and highlight the only important part of that shit you copy/pasted.

These hormones are the target of UVA, UVB, and UVC photolytic treatments that shows significant breakdown into applicable non active metabolites.

[rickyboy36]

Then you need to put a disclaimer that says that it's just copy/pasted and UNVERIFIED information.

There's a shitton of misinformation on this board as it is and we don't need more.

I'll bold and highlight the only important part of that shit you copy/pasted.

These hormones are the target of UVA, UVB, and UVC photolytic treatments that shows significant breakdown into applicable non active metabolites.


whooooa,relax bud.Im just giving info on a topic that might be of some use to people.I never claimed it was true.I just said that the person who VERIFIED this is credible.Plus Where are YOUR studies that state the opposite????Im not saying you dont have any but please dont come on here and start giving everyone shit with nothing to show for itAnd what you highlighted means nothing.If you would of read further it says that theres a "time frame" that might possibly destroy the bacteria before the hormone is degraded.And who said it wasnt verified?Plus if you look at all info given here on this site NOTHING IS VERIFIED.The person who wants to buy this must verify himself.Im just giving him the tools and options to help him

sheesh.

[tiramisu]

If you believe there may be a bacterial problem with your gear you are essentially ****ed. This should be unlikely with oil based gear unless handled by a monkey and may be very common in water based ug gear as it's actually pretty tough to avoid.

Yes you can remove living bacteria by refiltering with a .22 micron filter but you can NOT remove pieces of dead bacteria and toxins created as the waste product of the bacteria.

So while refiltering is better than not refiltering if you believe your gear is tainted it does not ensure that you will not end up injecting something toxic.

BA will keep bacteria from multiplying but doesn't do much in the way of actually killing them ... hence bacterio - STATIC.

.... although if they don't breed and they do die off then with time your gear should essentially be bacteria free but AGAIN this does not save you from dead bacteria and waste toxins resulting from the pre-existing bacteria.

.... Happily the human body is pretty robust and bacteria are not exactly uncommon and do not necessarily result in massive abscesses that require cutting large portions of muscle away. We can put up with a fair amount of shit in our systems but should probably try to avoid it where possible.

[rickyboy36]

If you believe there may be a bacterial problem with your gear you are essentially ****ed. This should be unlikely with oil based gear unless handled by a monkey and may be very common in water based ug gear as it's actually pretty tough to avoid.

Yes you can remove living bacteria by refiltering with a .22 micron filter but you can NOT remove pieces of dead bacteria and toxins created as the waste product of the bacteria.

So while refiltering is better than not refiltering if you believe your gear is tainted it does not ensure that you will not end up injecting something toxic.

BA will keep bacteria from multiplying but doesn't do much in the way of actually killing them ... hence bacterio - STATIC.

.... although if they don't breed and they do die off then with time your gear should essentially be bacteria free but AGAIN this does not save you from dead bacteria and waste toxins resulting from the pre-existing bacteria.

.... Happily the human body is pretty robust and bacteria are not exactly uncommon and do not necessarily result in massive abscesses that require cutting large portions of muscle away. We can put up with a fair amount of shit in our systems but should probably try to avoid it where possible.

good post bro!I think what i would be more worried about are the heavy metals that are left behind in them.Thats scares me more actually than the bacteria..

[BAM]

with that said..

It would still be nice to know if there was a time frame where testosterone degradation with exposure to UVC would be minimal and any bacteria would be killed. It could be an extremely simple extra line of defense.

[tiramisu]

with that said..

It would still be nice to know if there was a time frame where testosterone degradation with exposure to UVC would be minimal and any bacteria would be killed. It could be an extremely simple extra line of defense.

If you think you need it (extra line of defense then refilter). While interesting in theory it makes little sense in practice to buy some kind of machine that may or may not entirely kill the bacteria while potentially degrading the hormone when a whatman filter will do the job you are proposing..

With the caveat that toxins and waste will be removed by neither.

So have fun but it' seems like discussing the characteristics of a Robertson screw driver when you have Philips screws.

[cdnsoldier]

Pure powders + Canadian Medical Supplies= Problem solved.

[gustavo77]

Pure powders + Canadian Medical Supplies= Problem solved.

Ya ok...and how did you test the powders to make sure they are pure?? I know, i know....trust your supplier right??...lol...

[cdnsoldier]

Ya ok...and how did you test the powders to make sure they are pure?? I know, i know....trust your supplier right??...lol...


I'll take my chance at home brewing rather than trusting some "no face" to do it.

[gustavo77]

I'll take my chance at home brewing rather than trusting some "no face" to do it.

Bacteria problems of this sort have more to do with the raws used than the brewing process. Some of the raws from a country we all know well, contain heavy metals, dead bacteria etc. Tell me please, during the brewing process, how do remove heavy metals and dead bacterium??

[rickyboy36]

Bacteria problems of this sort have more to do with the raws used than the brewing process. Some of the raws from a country we all know well, contain heavy metals, dead bacteria etc. Tell me please, during the brewing process, how do remove heavy metals and dead bacterium??

Unless you go with pharmaceutical stuff you will probabaly encounter this problem even with an UG lab.Most likely they buy there raws at the same place you do..just saying

For the heavy metals though im thinking of getting some kind of detoxifying cleanser.I found something interesting here:http://www.bodyhealth.com/html/metalfree/index.asp

But you know,if you want to be absolutley safe,pay a bit more and get pharmaceutical stuff

[tiramisu]

1) What heavy metals are used in the production of these hormones? Seems like a bit of a red herring to me.

2) Toxins in the source powders are a concern. A real pharmacy buying a generic can order different "grades" of chemical and be assured that a bait and switch has not happened through testing. UGL's and home brewers have little chance of knowing what they are getting and simply trust the vendor (a generally poor practice).

It is a conundrum.

[Monka]

I can't see these heavy metals and toxins, after one cooks the product for appropriate time and use a PROPER sterile filter, i believe just BS to worry people, as there would be already millions of problems , and seems most are safe, well, you get the few that react to things such as EO/peanut oil/ to much BA/ just raw's period

[cdnsoldier]

Bacteria problems of this sort have more to do with the raws used than the brewing process. Some of the raws from a country we all know well, contain heavy metals, dead bacteria etc. Tell me please, during the brewing process, how do remove heavy metals and dead bacterium??

Ahhhh...I see. You're right, the quality from "that country' is all over the place.

The good news are that there are "leaks" in compounding pharmacies/companies in Canada and the USA so there are people who sell powders made in North America at 3-4x the price. But you get what you pay for.