pct and low libido

[Gregger]

What will help with low libido during pct and after discontinuing pct?... (ran test/tren with high libido during, pct is 100mg/25days clomid / 20mg/45days nolv, didn't have hcg at the time. Just over halfway through pct.)

Would hcg and/or proviron help with this?

For future situations, I know its different from person to person for pct setup. But would pct be better ran with HCG, aromasin, proviron, clom or nolv?

thanks for any advice

[Gettin'r'round]

Nothing is going to help with libido. HCG is just delaying recovery and proviron is a steroid in itself. Why aren't you running an aromatase inhibitor?

My pct is going to be aromasin + clomid. I will also be using Acetyl-l-carnitine as it increases test.

[ironwill]

it sucks, and will suck for a little longer as tren shuts you down pretty hard....
I found some hcg helps a bit post cycle but will keep you shut down a bit more...Also i found hi dose of trib to be helpfull as well..
try and keep some sexual activity in the mix, it has been said that getting the poisons to leave the building also speeds up recovery...
It can be manual release, or automatic with partner...:)

[z83]

a good dose of Tribulus might help

[Praetorian]

HCG will definitely help with libido and along with an AI will help you recover much faster. Have you had blood work done to confirm your endo test levels? I would be they are very low still with that type pf PCT. The amount of LH produced from clomid and nolva will undoubtedly be too minimal to kick start the testes in a short period of time. Remember both clomid and nolva will promote more LH production but never to the extent of HCG. HCG does not hinder recovery this is a complete fallacy. HCG mimicks LH and kick starts the testes after a heavy cycle or keeps them sensiized to LH if used sporadically during a cycle. You can feel the difference in 24 hours after a shot of 2000iu HCG.
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[Jmany]

i dunno this is kinda not on topic and kinda is,
but does anyone never actually lose their libido? its been about 6 weeks since my last shot of test and im still horny as ****. like if anything even more horny than usual my girl gets annoyed sometimes...
mind you i never did tren but you would think 500mgs of test for 23 weeks would shut me down slightly more

[Jmany]

^oh im not complaining either hahaah i love it. just sayin

[trainharder]

i dunno this is kinda not on topic and kinda is,
but does anyone never actually lose their libido? its been about 6 weeks since my last shot of test and im still horny as ****. like if anything even more horny than usual my girl gets annoyed sometimes...
mind you i never did tren but you would think 500mgs of test for 23 weeks would shut me down slightly more

I'm the same way. I finished 4 weeks of PCT yesterday (6 weeks since last poke) and my libido was the highest it's ever been during week 3 of PCT..I was waking up in a tent every morning.

I experienced some libido issues for a brief time during my cycle and it was because of excess estrogen (wasn't using an AI)

[Jmany]

I'm the same way. I finished 4 weeks of PCT yesterday (6 weeks since last poke) and my libido was the highest it's ever been during week 3 of PCT..I was waking up in a tent every morning.

I experienced some libido issues for a brief time during my cycle and it was because of excess estrogen (wasn't using an AI)

oh yea for sure all throughout pct, every morning i could hit a native village under my blanket.
this time around too i decided to skip out on the nolva, and just used a random test booster i got at gnc.

probably not gonna be this lucky though once i get into the harsher compounds.

[Gregger]

thanks for the info... what would be the ideal pct ? This seems to vary.
HCG, aromasin (seems to be the AI of choice), and clom or nolv?

[monkey]

damm.. my libido on PCT is always shit.
I am surprised about P's statement about HCG during PCT since it appears to be the general opinion that it delays recovery. Having that said, I do put a lot of trust into P's opinion since he does seem to know his shit.

I actually got myself some Cialis for this PCT since my libido is always horrible ( don't even want to have to think about it). Sucks meeting a new girls a week before your about to go off,lol.

[Praetorian]

HCG usually started prior to all aas coming out of the system to avoid the "crash". Thus if you were running long esters like test E etc then taper test to 500mg weekly and start HCG one week after your last shot of test. Another note...always end with long esters...so if you are running tren, prop, etc stop them first and continue the long ester test as above. The amount of HCG is dependant on man variables...ie age, length of cycle, compounds used. On average 2000iu ETD for two weeks concurrently with an AI such as aromasin. After your last shot of HCG start clomid at 100mg ED for two to three weeks concurrrent with an AI. After stopping the clomid continue with the AI for 4 more weeks.
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[Praetorian]

damm.. my libido on PCT is always shit.
I am surprised about P's statement about HCG during PCT since it appears to be the general opinion that it delays recovery. Having that said, I do put a lot of trust into P's opinion since he does seem to know his shit.

I actually got myself some Cialis for this PCT since my libido is always horrible ( don't even want to have to think about it). Sucks meeting a new girls a week before your about to go off,lol.

Please post any information about HCG delaying recovery. What you may have read is most likely due to running HCG without an AI. Thus it would delay recovery because of the excess conversion to estrogen and the inevitable negative feedback this provides. HCG mimicks LH period...LH is responsible to signal the testes to produce more endo test...how in the world then would LH (HCG) delay recovery?
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[Gregger]

Thanks Prae!...much appreciated!
any reason why clomid is preffered over nolva?

[Praetorian]

Clomid is a synthetic estrogen that, in men, can perform two functions: a) Clomid antagonizes estrogen receptors (somewhat
inhibiting the estrogenic side effects of aromatizing anabolic steroids).b) Clomid mimics the effects of the hypothalamic hormone Gonadotropin Releasing Hormone (GRH). In humans, GRH stimulates the pituitary gland to produce LH and Follicle Stimulating Hormone (FSH). This final role of Clomid, then, is to help awaken the pituitary gland that has been suppressed from the heavy anabolic steroid cycle
that was just recently ceased.
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[waderow]

you need to look at weird new interesting exciting internet porn daily. It will get the juices flowing.

For instance:

http://www.cakefarter.com/

[fourarms]

anyone brave enough to click that? ^

[oster]

Yup!

Pretty ****in werid!

[trainharder]

you need to look at weird new interesting exciting internet porn daily. It will get the juices flowing.

For instance:

http://www.cakefarter.com/

After I cleaned up..I was disgusted!

[Jmany]

i wanna click it, but im on my computer at work :(

[monkey]

Please post any information about HCG delaying recovery. What you may have read is most likely due to running HCG without an AI. Thus it would delay recovery because of the excess conversion to estrogen and the inevitable negative feedback this provides. HCG mimicks LH period...LH is responsible to signal the testes to produce more endo test...how in the world then would LH (HCG) delay recovery?
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Yes your right. Whatever I have read and heard was not putting any importance on an AI. This is some awesome clarification. Thanks a lot

[Drummer]

What will help with low libido during pct and after discontinuing pct?... (ran test/tren with high libido during, pct is 100mg/25days clomid / 20mg/45days nolv, didn't have hcg at the time. Just over halfway through pct.)

Would hcg and/or proviron help with this?

For future situations, I know its different from person to person for pct setup. But would pct be better ran with HCG, aromasin, proviron, clom or nolv?

thanks for any advice

tren shut you down hard. I would have run HCG at the end of your cycle to wake you your balls, but too late now. Id run an AI with that (aromasin), your not doing anything to reduce estrogen, your just blocking it. Perhaps some herbal LH booster would help a bit, but time is your only way now, and your likely to lose much gains because of a prolonged low natural testosterone level. It took me 8 months one time to recover after tren use and improper PCT. If i knew then what i know now...

~D~

[Drummer]

Please post any information about HCG delaying recovery. What you may have read is most likely due to running HCG without an AI. Thus it would delay recovery because of the excess conversion to estrogen and the inevitable negative feedback this provides. HCG mimicks LH period...LH is responsible to signal the testes to produce more endo test...how in the world then would LH (HCG) delay recovery?
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HCG itself acts as LH, thus telling your body it doesnt need to produce its own. Thats how it is able to delay recovery, by delaying recovery of natural LH levels. Without natural LH, you dont have a signal to tell the boys to produce testosterone. That is why its run at the end of a cycle, then followed by proper PCT. That way its suppressive properties are no worry, and your balls have been jump started, helping you along in your PCT protocol. Im not going to dig up studies and pubmeds and all that cause ive been convinced its true. Just thought id chime in.

~D~

[JaSIM3]

Ok I am confused. People say run HCG DURNING THE END OF YOUR CYCLE. Others say run it durning your cycle. Doesn't it make more sense to run it durning your cycle So your testies stay hanging low??