Natural or not?

[varking]

Hey guys ok should a person be able to compete in a natural show if he has juiced before not within a year??
I feel like a lot of the guys who say they are natural are not..
What do you guys think?

[Ritch]

A year is still close, and if he took deca the metabolites are still in his system. 5 years should be the norm.

[spitfire]

Yes.

[spitfire]

Wait, is this question about the "morality" of it or about it being safe or not to compete in a natural event because of the steroids done?

[varking]

I have a hard time think that these guys are clean.. so are some arent i think you can use alot of stuff and get away with it when they only test your piss

[varking]

More so a question on what does everyone think do they use it and if its right for someone to take juice and go in a show after waiting only a couple year or even during that year..

[tex]

i think some of them use short esters and orals for sure....not the majority but there prob are a few.....

[tiramisu]

I feel sorry for natural body builders who have to put up with all the rule benders and outright cheaters. If the sporting rules are natural then that's what they are. It's no different than cheating in car racing. People seem to spend as much time trying to find loopholes in the rules as they do racing.

It seems that in Canada most if not all amateur bodybuilding is considered drug free.

I'm guessing that means for those that want to compete on stage it makes the decision to stay drug free easier. For those that are not drug free there aren't many options.

Happily, my biceps are assymetrical and my lats are high so I don't have to worry about that competition stuff.

[buildinthaskinnys]

Please excuse my vulgarity, these are just my opinions, not trying to offend anyone, but I think drug free bodybuilding comps are a F'in joke, Wouldnt that be the same as having a "drug free" Olympics or "cosmetics free" natural beauty contest. You put "drug free" on the banner and automatically you have people who are coming in doing drugs so that they can hope to undermine the drugless competitors, can people be so lame that they have to try to cheat at a low level bodybuilding competition so they can have their name on some 10 dollar trophy and how do you brag to your closest friends if you had to use drugs to win a natural bodybuilding competition? Its not cheating if everyone else is doing it right?, from what I understand natural bodybuilding competitions are just where the competitors havent been taking them for a few months, but essentially arent "on", so whats the point if you didnt take them 3 years ago or 3 months ago or 3 days ago? whos cheating? Nobody I guess. anyway my oint is there shouldnt even be such a thing as a natural bodybuilding competition.

Peace

Oh, about the question, my answer is no.

[O-Train]

Hey guys ok should a person be able to compete in a natural show if he has juiced before not within a year??
I feel like a lot of the guys who say they are natural are not..
What do you guys think?

A lot of the guys arn't natural. There are lots of untested shows and only a couple organizations that take drug testing seriously. In the smaller shows that do urine tests the guys are mostly legit natural athletes. Also, some shows have "physique screening" and sometimes steroid use is blatently obvious.

Personally I would not compete with an organization if I didn't meet their criteria.

The hardest part is cutting weight anyways. I'd imagine it wouldn't be easy for someone to diet down w/o drugs if they have used them for contest prep in the past. Would be kind of like doing a first show all over again.

[O-Train]

Please excuse my vulgarity, these are just my opinions, not trying to offend anyone, but I think drug free bodybuilding comps are a F'in joke, Wouldnt that be the same as having a "drug free" Olympics or "cosmetics free" natural beauty contest. You put "drug free" on the banner and automatically you have people who are coming in doing drugs so that they can hope to undermine the drugless competitors, can people be so lame that they have to try to cheat at a low level bodybuilding competition so they can have their name on some 10 dollar trophy and how do you brag to your closest friends if you had to use drugs to win a natural bodybuilding competition? Its not cheating if everyone else is doing it right?, from what I understand natural bodybuilding competitions are just where the competitors havent been taking them for a few months, but essentially arent "on", so whats the point if you didnt take them 3 years ago or 3 months ago or 3 days ago? whos cheating? Nobody I guess. anyway my oint is there shouldnt even be such a thing as a natural bodybuilding competition.

Peace

Oh, about the question, my answer is no.

What about the guys who don't take steroids? I mean not at all. Who are they supposed to compete against?

[buildinthaskinnys]

I don't know O hurley, people that are legitimately clean should have a place to compete, but there needs to be real rules set down that people need to follow, perhaps random drug testing throughout the year would help,but it all comes down to money then, if there isnt money involved there will be a lack of competitors and of course no orginization to fund all the drug testing.

This essentially is the downfall of bodybuilding, the big bodies bring out the crowds, they sign the supplement contracts they influence the beginners yadda yadda. but 99.99% of the world dosent want to look remotely like anyone thats an Ifbb pro currently, average people dont even know what the ifbb is even though its been around for what 60 years? Thats sad, when i started training I wanted to look like Frank Zane, then I realized that id have to get twice as big to compete in my time, I gave up.

Someone with a shitload of money and a real desire for bodybuilding to become mainstream could maybe do it, that is to say create a real natural bodybuilder federation, where there is lifetime drug free bodybuilders. I would go and watch that, and maybe I would even attempt to compete.

[Ritch]

Someone with a shitload of money and a real desire for bodybuilding to become mainstream could maybe do it, that is to say create a real natural bodybuilder federation, where there is lifetime drug free bodybuilders. I would go and watch that, and maybe I would even attempt to compete.

Paul Dillet is kinda doing this isn`t he?

[O-Train]

Paul Dillet is kinda doing this isn`t he?

No, not at all.

[Ritch]

No, not at all.

Well he`s giving them more money and is trying to make it more extreme. However is doing a good job at gaying it up with the men`s fitness shit. Shamefull but that will make it more mainstream I guess, but then don`t really care.

[O-Train]

I don't know O hurley, people that are legitimately clean should have a place to compete, but there needs to be real rules set down that people need to follow, perhaps random drug testing throughout the year would help,but it all comes down to money then, if there isnt money involved there will be a lack of competitors and of course no orginization to fund all the drug testing.

This essentially is the downfall of bodybuilding, the big bodies bring out the crowds, they sign the supplement contracts they influence the beginners yadda yadda. but 99.99% of the world dosent want to look remotely like anyone thats an Ifbb pro currently, average people dont even know what the ifbb is even though its been around for what 60 years? Thats sad, when i started training I wanted to look like Frank Zane, then I realized that id have to get twice as big to compete in my time, I gave up.

Someone with a shitload of money and a real desire for bodybuilding to become mainstream could maybe do it, that is to say create a real natural bodybuilder federation, where there is lifetime drug free bodybuilders. I would go and watch that, and maybe I would even attempt to compete.

I compete with an organization that comes as close as they can to keeping things fair. I'm going to avoid talking about it because I don't want to draw attention from the wrong people. Still though, sometimes the fitness models are the biggest guys on stage. I've seen a few people who have definitely used anabolics in the past. People also routinely test positive and the results are posted so I believe in the testing that takes place. It's not a perfect system but it's good enough that I feel comfortable I have a good chance of competing on an even playing field.

The CBBF Natural stream is probably also a good option. I am not familiar with it but from what SS said it also has drug testing measures in place.

[O-Train]

Well he`s giving them more money and is trying to make it more extreme. However is doing a good job at gaying it up with the men`s fitness shit. Shamefull but that will make it more mainstream I guess, but then don`t really care.

I also mean I don't think they are totally natural shows. Is there anything like this on the WBFF website? Do they drug test?

POS ---------> 1-testosterone &/or metabolite Positive
POS ---------> Boldenone metabolite(s) Positive
POS ---------> Nandrolone metabolite Positive
POS ---------> T/E Ratio > 6 Positive
POS ---------> Trenbolone metabolite Positive

[Ritch]

Well here`s something from their F.A.Q.

5) Will this contest be drug tested?

Yes. All WBFF contests will be drug tested.

So he`s claiming they`re all drug tested. Whatever the hell that means...

[O-Train]

Well here`s something from their F.A.Q.

5) Will this contest be drug tested?

Yes. All WBFF contests will be drug tested.

So he`s claiming they`re all drug tested. Whatever the hell that means...

Hopefully Paul will stop by again and he can better answer questions like this. I kind of lump WBFF in with FAME and maybe even Muscle Mania. Urine Analysis testing is $$$. That may be part of the reason it isn't done a lot.

[varking]

I think a lot of guys who step on stage at natural shows have used AAS in the past maybe not that year but have used it before some of these guys you see getting their IFBB cards are big and you can tell that they are not natural look at john raposo....

[420]

Yo I would totally partake in a natural bodybuilding contest after running a quick tren ace cycle. But ill never compete in naturals, the mother ****ers dont allow weed hahah.

[varking]

Only 420 would say this hahaha

[Ritch]

Yo I would totally partake in a natural bodybuilding contest after running a quick tren ace cycle. But ill never compete in naturals, the mother ****ers dont allow weed hahah.

And they are absolutely stupid to test for weed because it sure in hell is not a performance enhancer.:greet

[SmallieBigs]

^^^
helps the ole appetite... :)

[Drummer]

try to find someone who has always been natural. thats the only natural that i would consider natural at all.

~D~

[Felinecougar]

Some think that natural is NOT taking any illegal UG drugs. But they test for otcs too.

Not that I have seen this lately but did read a few yrs ago that the ones who lost their placings due to testing are not your heavy weights but the bantam weight men.

AND I am not happy with them not saying what they tested positive for either. That is wrong. IMO if he tested positive for Ephedrine or caffeine ..who cares.

I wished Paul had never gotten my email. He has a really hard time seeking athletes for his shows and should be letting them find him. Not seeking us, who won't do his shows and have respect for his athletes being natural.

M2Cs.

[Danger]

I cant see why anyone would bother entering a Natty contest if they have ever used AAS, cheating is cheating and I cant imagine there is much glory in winning a contest you know you cheated to win.