Need Help Cutting Cycle Not Going Well

[declan]

I started around 168 lbs at almost 5'5, I have no idea on BF %. Started a keto diet and lost 10lbs naturally in 4 weeks, some of it water weight obviously. Began cycle of Tren A/Winstrol/Test P 50mg ED 2 weeks ago at 155-158lbs. I am now 160 holding some water probably from test.

Routine is 3 days split MWF doing just 3 major compound movements DL's for Back, Incline Smyte for Chest and Squats for Legs and 4 days 45min slow cardio.


Problem is I think my gear is underdosed, it is from a int ugl that is having some issues right now. I have no experience on all compounds, I only base my deductions from what I read and other people comments. I'm not experiencing any sides except insomnia, and nothing of the good stuff either eg. increased strength, libido and muscle fullness. Did I allow enough time for the substances to peak?

What do you guys think? Would it be okay for me to just up the dose till I feel something or just completely switch labs while its early? Or is it my diet and routine that I need to improve on?

Thanks in advance.

Here is a sample of my daily food intake:

Meal 1: Omelet- 4 eggs, 1 can Tuna, 1tbs olive oil 50g pro, 35g fat, 0 carb 520cals

Meal 2: PWO shake: 2 scoop protein Iso 70g pro

Meal 3: 150-200grams steamed chicken breast/tilapia -60g pro, 10g fat

Meal 4: 1 scoop pro Iso 35g pro

Meal 5: 150grams fish/meat, olive oil 1tbs- 50g pro, 40g fat

Meal 6: 2 scoops pro Iso 70 grams pro( this is usually sipped at work)

Meal 7: 4 whole eggs 20g pro, 18g fat

Total: 160g pro from food, 175g pro from Isolate( 1 scoop 35g pro) I doubt if I could really absorb it 100%, 110g fat, 1780 cals from whole food and another 750 from Protein powder= 2530

additional 8g fish oil daily
2liters of H2O.

[tiramisu]

Try removing a meal. The 6 meals would be a cutting diet for a 200 pound man and you are 160.

[gsxr750]

Yea 2500 calories a day at 155LBS seems a bit high for a cutting diet. Lower the cals.

If you were estimated 14% BF @ 160LBS your base BMR would be 1720 calories a day.

[declan]

Which would I cut the calories from real food or the shakes? So you guys don't factor in your activity level or training when you calculate calories?

[Adonis13]

its not 100 percent about what your numbers are or how much work your doing. let the mirror be your gauge, when u see what u like then its time to write down what ur doing, when your not liking it its time to change somthing. just casue u have gone stagnant isnt a bad thing either, u have to factor in the aas as well. how long have u been cutting?

[hyperlite32]

Just out of curiousity, what lab are you using?

[declan]

I'm starting my 4th week already. I'm seeing improvements, though not major but still leaning out. I'm just worried about my gear, seems like its not doing its purpose. I read that tren ace is such a powerful compound that always you could be hit by one of its side effects and I think my dose is adequate if the gear is legit.

I'm leaning towards upping the dose or even doubling it till I see any changes this week. If it fails I'll switch to SA to save this cycle.

I'm sorry I can't say the name but it's one of the top sources over at TSC, if you are familiar with the board.

[nisser]

your cals are way too high.

[O-Train]

You need to be drinking more water. Maybe 4-6L/day. Do you have a fast metabolism? I don't think you need 335g of protein at your weight but I guess it can't hurt.

[declan]

You need to be drinking more water. Maybe 4-6L/day. Do you have a fast metabolism? I don't think you need 335g of protein at your weight but I guess it can't hurt.

I'll do that then, normal metabolism. I'll lower calories to around 1800 for two weeks and evaluate my progress again.

[O-Train]

I'll do that then, normal metabolism. I'll lower calories to around 1800 for two weeks and evaluate my progress again.

Yeah that makes sense, you could even see how 2000 calories is. I imagine with Tren A and that much protein losing muscle won't be an issue.

What you could also try is doing something like a circuit except rotate between weights and cardio. I just noticed that you deadlift 3x/wk. A lot of people would advice against that but if it works keep it. So maybe have an "active recovery" day to give your lower back a rest. Make it a total body workout but use exercises that arn't too taxing on your body.

You would do one exercise, maybe 2 sets with a short rest in between then jump on a piece of cardio equipment for 5 minutes. Don't go all out but keep your heartrate up. Then do another exercise the same as the first and jump back on a cardio machine. The military uses a very similar style of circut training except with bodyweight exercises which you could also do (ie chinups, situps, pushups etc). It should help.

[BritishColumbian]

Im just wondering if Test prop @ .50 mg/day = 350mg/week is that enought test? I thought 500mg week was recomended, Im not sure, just wondering?

[nitrous]

Im just wondering if Test prop @ .50 mg/day = 350mg/week is that enought test? I thought 500mg week was recomended, Im not sure, just wondering?

if you are trying to cut and just want to take the test to maintain the muscle you have while losing fat 350mg/week is good

[td1111]

I'm 175lbs and I effectively cut at 1500 cals/day on a keto/cutting cycle. Very effective!

[tex]

if you are trying to cut and just want to take the test to maintain the muscle you have while losing fat 350mg/week is good depends on the person...I can bulk or cut with that dose and I am sittin at 235...its all about the diet....

[Sean Summers]

Cals are too high. Fat is too low. The problem lies not with your cycle but with your diet.
SS

[declan]

I always thought I have to decrease calories gradually till I plateau, same goes for cardio, increase it gradually. So starting at a higher calorie intake gives me more space for adjustment. So is it better to just eat the same calories all throughout the cutting phase without changing anything?

As for my AS intake, I wanted to take in just enough to hold muscles during dieting. What I'm afraid of is loosing muscle because of underdosed gear.

This week, I decided to lower caloric intake to 1800, that's around 215g pro, 90g fat and under 30g carb. As for my dosages, I'll increase it to 75mg ed to see if there is an improvement if not I'll switch to SA immidiately.

Thanks for the help guys, appreciate it so much.

[td1111]

Just for your info, I've been off cycle for 3-4 months now, and I gained too much fat over Xmas. I effectively cut quite a bit of fat on nothing but a Keto diet, and didn't seem to lose any muscle. I beleive the Keto diet is vary sparing of muslce, but you must be 100% strict about that diet. No more than 50g carbs/day and minimum 40% fat calories.

Another key to keep muscle on a keto diet is to only do low-level cardio. Never high-level, because the body cannot convert fat into glucose fast enough and will consume muscle.

Even with low-dose gear, you should be able to keep muscle very well, as long as you stimlate them during the cycle with some solid lifting.

Last summer's cycle, I immediately switched to 1500 cals on a Keto diet with daily low-level cardio, and lifting 2 times a week, and lost tons of fat and still gained muscle!

[declan]

Thanks for the helpful info bro. I'll update my progress after 2 weeks.