HCG

[Iwant2Grow]

i have some Inter vet HCG and im not sure of the best way to run it

i have about 9-10 weeks left of my planned cycle (out of 16) i was thinking about 500 iu every week for the next 10 ... just to keep the boys healthy

current cycle is 600mg wk test
(might add some NPP or tbol in the next bit too )

any suggestions on how to administer it - i/m vs sub-q (ive never done a sub q shot) and would 500iu be enough every 5 day ?

[meathead]

First thing I would do is toss the solvent that came with your HCG (stings alot) and get yourself some Bacteriostatic Water to mix with it for comfort sake. (Canadian medsupplys) one of this boards sponsors sells it. There banner ad is at the top of the page.

I have done both sub Q and IM both are fine.

You'll get lots of different responses on dosage and frequency.

[Iwant2Grow]

Thanks meathead i had been wondering about he solvent
guess ill have to see if i can get any Bacteriostatic Water locally to mix this up then i guess ill give it a try.


physique and Can Med Are great - and i have used them in the past and will again for sure .

[Benny62]

350mcg every 3 days is working great for me.

[Iwant2Grow]

350mcg every 3 days is working great for me.

good to know !

[monkey]

I always start shooting that stuff towards the lsat 3-4 weeks of my cycle, Works perfectly fine since it usualy takes only 3 shots and my balls are up and running.

[Iwant2Grow]

I always start shooting that stuff towards the lsat 3-4 weeks of my cycle, Works perfectly fine since it usualy takes only 3 shots and my balls are up and running.

thank monkey can you clarify for me
type of shot( subq /im) ? dose ? frequency ?

[monkey]

i've done sub-q and Im shots, both work fine. I guess tha IM shots should hit you faster than sub-q, but I am not sure if it makes a difference in the end. I prefer sub q by now.
I shoot something like 2 shots of 500 eod and then taper down to 350 e3d till the end of my cycle. I should mention that I usually don't shut down too hard, unless I run tren.
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[Iwant2Grow]

Thanks monkey^

[AVPIRON2009]

HOW MANY IU DO U HAVE OF HCG, ID TAKE WHEN IM OFF 2 TO 3 WEEKS FROM MY LAST CYCLE AND TAKE 2500IU A DAY FOR 4 DAYS AND TAKE THREE WEEKS OF CLOMID. WORKED GREAT FOR ME!!!!

[Iwant2Grow]

thanks every one
btw - i have 5000iu

[Benny62]

I recomend running 250-350iu sub Q your whole cycle every 3-4 days and you won't shut down or see any testicular atrophy, also ZMA before bed will help keep volume in the testes. It's working like a charm for me.

As far as sex goes.... the lady friend says this is the best ball slapping on her beaver doggy style she's ever had while i've been on!

[Benny62]

Here is a supporting article EF sent out today on HCG I hope this helps.


These studies show that postponing hCG usage until the end of a steroid cycle increases your need for a higher dose of hCG, and decreases your odds of a full recovery. As a consequence to using a higher dose of hCG at the end of a cycle, estrogen will be increased disproportionately to testosterone, which then causes further HPTA suppression (from high estrogen) while increasing the risk of gyno. (11) For example, high doses of hCG have been found to raise estradiol up to 165%, while only raising testosterone 140%. (11) Higher doses of hCG are also known to reduce LH receptor concentration and degrade the enzymes responsible for testosterone synthesis within the testes (12,13,19 ) -- the last thing someone wants during recovery. While these negative effects of hCG can be partly mitigated by the use of a SERM such as tamoxifen, it will create further problems associated with using a toxic SERM (covered in another article).

In light of the above evidence, it becomes obvious that we must take preventative measures to avoid this testicular degeneration. We must protect our testicular sensitivity. Besides, with hCG being so readily available, and such a painless shot, it makes you wonder why anyone wouldn’t use it on cycle.

Based on studies with normal men using steroids, 100iu HCG administered everyday was enough to preserve full testicular function and ITT levels, without causing desensitization typically associated with higher doses of hCG. (2) It is important that low-dose hCG is started before testicular sensitivity is reduced, which appears to rapidly manifest within the first 2-3 weeks of steroid use. Also, it’s important to discontinue the hCG before you start PCT so your leydig cells are given a chance to re-sensitize to your body’s own LH production. (To help further enhance testicular sensitivity, the dietary supplement Toco-8 may be used)

A more convenient alternative to the above recommendation would be a twice a week shot of 200iu hCG, or possibly a once a week shot of 500iu. However, it is most desirable to adhere to a lower more frequent dose of hCG to mimic the body’s natural LH release and minimize estrogen conversion. If you are starting hCG late in the cycle, one could calculate a rough estimate for their required hCG ‘kick starting’ dosage by multiplying 40iu x days of LH absence, since the testes will be desensitized, thus requiring a higher dose. (ie. 40iu x 60 days = 2400iu HCG dose)

Recap:

For preservation of testicular sensitivity, use 100iu hCG ED starting 7 days after your first AAS dose. At the end of the cycle, drop the hCG two weeks before the AAS clear the system. For example, you would drop hCG about the same time as your last Testosterone Enanthate shot. Or, if you are ending the cycle with orals, you would drop the hCG about 10 days before your last oral dose. This will allow for a sudden and even clearance in hormone levels, while initiating LH and FSH production from the pituitary, to begin stimulating your testes to produce testosterone. Remember, recovery doesn’t begin until you are off hCG since your body will not release its own LH until the hCG has cleared the system.

In conclusion, we have learned that utilizing hCG during a steroid cycle will significantly prevent testicular degeneration. This helps create a seamless transition from “on cycle” to “off cycle” thus avoiding the post cycle crash

[Iwant2Grow]

Here is a supporting article EF sent out today on HCG I hope this helps.


These studies show that postponing hCG usage until the end of a steroid cycle increases your need for a higher dose of hCG, and decreases your odds of a full recovery. As a consequence to using a higher dose of hCG at the end of a cycle, estrogen will be increased disproportionately to testosterone, which then causes further HPTA suppression (from high estrogen) while increasing the risk of gyno. (11) For example, high doses of hCG have been found to raise estradiol up to 165%, while only raising testosterone 140%. (11) Higher doses of hCG are also known to reduce LH receptor concentration and degrade the enzymes responsible for testosterone synthesis within the testes (12,13,19 ) -- the last thing someone wants during recovery. While these negative effects of hCG can be partly mitigated by the use of a SERM such as tamoxifen, it will create further problems associated with using a toxic SERM (covered in another article).

In light of the above evidence, it becomes obvious that we must take preventative measures to avoid this testicular degeneration. We must protect our testicular sensitivity. Besides, with hCG being so readily available, and such a painless shot, it makes you wonder why anyone wouldn’t use it on cycle.

Based on studies with normal men using steroids, 100iu HCG administered everyday was enough to preserve full testicular function and ITT levels, without causing desensitization typically associated with higher doses of hCG. (2) It is important that low-dose hCG is started before testicular sensitivity is reduced, which appears to rapidly manifest within the first 2-3 weeks of steroid use. Also, it’s important to discontinue the hCG before you start PCT so your leydig cells are given a chance to re-sensitize to your body’s own LH production. (To help further enhance testicular sensitivity, the dietary supplement Toco-8 may be used)

A more convenient alternative to the above recommendation would be a twice a week shot of 200iu hCG, or possibly a once a week shot of 500iu. However, it is most desirable to adhere to a lower more frequent dose of hCG to mimic the body’s natural LH release and minimize estrogen conversion. If you are starting hCG late in the cycle, one could calculate a rough estimate for their required hCG ‘kick starting’ dosage by multiplying 40iu x days of LH absence, since the testes will be desensitized, thus requiring a higher dose. (ie. 40iu x 60 days = 2400iu HCG dose)

Recap:

For preservation of testicular sensitivity, use 100iu hCG ED starting 7 days after your first AAS dose. At the end of the cycle, drop the hCG two weeks before the AAS clear the system. For example, you would drop hCG about the same time as your last Testosterone Enanthate shot. Or, if you are ending the cycle with orals, you would drop the hCG about 10 days before your last oral dose. This will allow for a sudden and even clearance in hormone levels, while initiating LH and FSH production from the pituitary, to begin stimulating your testes to produce testosterone. Remember, recovery doesn’t begin until you are off hCG since your body will not release its own LH until the hCG has cleared the system.

In conclusion, we have learned that utilizing hCG during a steroid cycle will significantly prevent testicular degeneration. This helps create a seamless transition from “on cycle” to “off cycle” thus avoiding the post cycle crash

solid thanks!

rep sent your way

[Benny62]

Thanks bro,

I just ordered some toco-8 for my PCT after reading this today too because this protocal has been working wonders for me i'll give it a shot.