Muslim Demographics

[turboturist]

This is crazy if anywhere close to the truth

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[kawikaratekid]

Man that is crazy....

[nii]

Hate to say it but the only thing that is scary is the tone of that piece. If you've ever lived in a multicultural area (im in scarborough) you'd realize that these 'muslims' (muslims that live in North America) are no more different than you or i. Sure the first generation immigrants wear funny clothes or have odd cultural beliefs, but you soon realize that the 2nd and 3rd gen of their families are just like us.

You also have to look at where this info is coming from, if you know a bit about geopolitics, it makes much more sense.

Now i know many religious pp on this site may not like this comment but, now mind you this is from my own personal experience, but i find the more educated a person is, the less religious they are (that goes for catholics/muslims/whatever).

Ive gotten to know many muslims, jews and christians, and to many of them its just a culture thing, not hardcore religion.

PS- thsi is coming from a typical white suburban boy.

[BAM]

I have no issues with muslims.

[kawikaratekid]

I have no issues with any religion. That is ones personal beliefs and that is cool with me. I have a problem with anyone who is a douche though.

[Seth]

as long as the new culture is a moderate one, it can't be much different from the current religiously fueled american politics

[waderow]

you guys will have a problem with Islam when it is the government.

[#8]

I just puked a bit in my mouth

[#8]

you guys will have a problem with Islam when it is the government.

exactly. i hope your kids dont have any daughters, because their husbands raping them will probably become legal, and they wont be able to show their faces in public (or any other part of their skin).

[deleteduser0001]

I have a problem listening to christian propaganda. that was not a news peice, that was manipulated data.

[guest]

time to call the Hammer.

http://www.historicalfigurines.com/catalog/images/histoirecharlesmartel.jpg

[rickyboy36]

As most of you guys know,people here in quebec are so ****en scared in losing their culture.And even by seperating,if you listen to this video,there is nothing they can do.Most french families here are having 1 child or less and they blame the governement for not keeping quebec french.Its actually the quebecois's fault if immigrants are coming here.We need people to fill in those jobs that no one else wants to do.

[guest]

As most of you guys know,people here in quebec are so ****en scared in losing their culture.And even by seperating,if you listen to this video,there is nothing they can do.Most french families here are having 1 child or less and they blame the governement for not keeping quebec french.Its actually the quebecois's fault if immigrants are coming here.We need people to fill in those jobs that no one else wants to do.

it would be nice if the rest of Canada put up as much of a fuss about possible loss of culture as Quebec does. alas, human nature is to wait until it is too late.

Terminator 4: Attack of the Muslim Machine

[Van Zan]

I guess we will once again assist to some racial bashing by some member of the board.

I believe that Education is the most important foundation of a society. I also believe that religious extremisms come mainly from poverty and lack of education. Here in North America, if one would go to any university and take a look at the kind of population attending post graduate studies one would soon realize that the vast majority of student consist of Chinese, Arab and black African among others. Those peoples are the one that will shape the future and bring innovative idea. We need people like those in order to survive as a society. It is also my observation (like nii said in is post) that those people are no different then us. In my experience with working among them I never met a single one that agreed with the radical elements of their religion but I’m sure there are expectations. What I’m trying to say is the more educated a person is the less incline he will be to associate himself with radical groups.

I think that democracy is very important and should be protected. I also believe that even the weakest element of a society have the right to express them self even if by lack of knowledge, education or both they make at time insane comments or generalization. I mean who will be left to pick up the garbage.

This was only my observations.

[Andre]

time to call the Hammer.

http://www.historicalfigurines.com/catalog/images/histoirecharlesmartel.jpg

I thought you meant the Hebrew Hammer! :)
http://ajewwithaview.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/hebrew-hammer.jpg

[spitfire]

As most of you guys know,people here in quebec are so ****en scared in losing their culture.And even by seperating,if you listen to this video,there is nothing they can do.Most french families here are having 1 child or less and they blame the governement for not keeping quebec french.Its actually the quebecois's fault if immigrants are coming here.We need people to fill in those jobs that no one else wants to do.


In Quebec the gov't likes to keep you guys oblivious to what's really going on. Don't forget, you lost over 1 million of your english population in the 80's and 90's so you are in far worst shape than the rest of Canada. Your immigration is 50,000 per year. Immigration Canada did a little study and told Quebec that even if it would increase their annual immigration to 300,000, you are still ****ed. You lost over 40 billion of your pension (and still losing as the investments are still losing money). Somewhere between 2016 and 2020 is where you will see what I mean. Not to say the rest of Canada isn't ****ed too, but your province is first in line, unless Canada seriously helps them out. But the problem is they keep making too many enemies with the rest of Canada.

[buildinthaskinnys]

Muslims make up like 0.6% of the american population, hardly a population explosion, in england its 2.7% little higher but still, not a big number.

I am more concerned about the mormon population, as they believe in incest and polygamy, funny no one mentions that. There was stories about guys running harems and banging girls as young as 11 and 12 years old down in the states.

gotta get them muslims though.

Its funny how people bring up raping wives again, this has to do with the countrys law not the religion, like "thou shall rape thy wife".

There is also something, that isnt mentioned.

Most people immigrate to get away from all the bullshit that goes along with their country. Sometimes So they can be free to pratice or follow their religion the way they want, what happens then is a certain amount of culture or tradition is lost and something new takes it place, that something is influenced by where you live.

[thecivilizedanimal]

most modern (youth) muslims dont give a shit about their religion, they are so in love with a lifestyle of freedom.

most of the muslim dudes i know drink and smoke as much as anyone i know.

it's like the fear of christian extremist taking over, sure there might be alot of muslims, as there are Catholics, but most dont take religion seriously. nothing to worry about ,

[buildinthaskinnys]

Hate to say it but the only thing that is scary is the tone of that piece. If you've ever lived in a multicultural area (im in scarborough) you'd realize that these 'muslims' (muslims that live in North America) are no more different than you or i. Sure the first generation immigrants wear funny clothes or have odd cultural beliefs, but you soon realize that the 2nd and 3rd gen of their families are just like us.

You also have to look at where this info is coming from, if you know a bit about geopolitics, it makes much more sense.

Now i know many religious pp on this site may not like this comment but, now mind you this is from my own personal experience, but i find the more educated a person is, the less religious they are (that goes for catholics/muslims/whatever).

Ive gotten to know many muslims, jews and christians, and to many of them its just a culture thing, not hardcore religion.

PS- thsi is coming from a typical white suburban boy.

I agree with most of what you say, but I think the more educated and wealthy a person, the more detached they are from their religion, that is to say that they arent bonded to it politically or interpersonally, if you catch my drift.

[buildinthaskinnys]

I guess we will once again assist to some racial bashing by some member of the board.

I believe that Education is the most important foundation of a society. I also believe that religious extremisms come mainly from poverty and lack of education. Here in North America, if one would go to any university and take a look at the kind of population attending post graduate studies one would soon realize that the vast majority of student consist of Chinese, Arab and black African among others. Those peoples are the one that will shape the future and bring innovative idea. We need people like those in order to survive as a society. It is also my observation (like nii said in is post) that those people are no different then us. In my experience with working among them I never met a single one that agreed with the radical elements of their religion but I’m sure there are expectations. What I’m trying to say is the more educated a person is the less incline he will be to associate himself with radical groups.

I think that democracy is very important and should be protected. I also believe that even the weakest element of a society have the right to express them self even if by lack of knowledge, education or both they make at time insane comments or generalization. I mean who will be left to pick up the garbage.

This was only my observations.

good post.

Im probably gonna get razed for this statement but...

What i see today is the immigrants, and alot of minority groups in canada are in schools educating themselves and looking ahead into a sustainable future for themselves and their families, while a very large part of white canadian youth are dreaming wildly about fame and fortune whilst serving themselves only and squandering their lives away.

Its funny because years ago we assimilated the native culture and nearly destroyed it, and now the next wave of immigrants will likely do the same, but this time it wont be too hard because our culture is weak compared to the native canadians.

[macka]

Yes education is important. It is also abused in a lot of countries, where religion is part of the state. When we allowed religious bodies to run the native schools all hell broke loose. We need to insure that education and religion remain at arms length from each other. When you start teaching ideology is when the bad stuff starts to happen. With more Muslims wanting private religious schools for their kids, the more we will see its effects on our society here.

[spitfire]

All hell is going to break loose within the next 10 years. I'll be roasting marshmallows if anyone wants to join me.

[RagingRandy]

Yes education is important. It is also abused in a lot of countries, where religion is part of the state. When we allowed religious bodies to run the native schools all hell broke loose. We need to insure that education and religion remain at arms length from each other. When you start teaching ideology is when the bad stuff starts to happen. With more Muslims wanting private religious schools for their kids, the more we will see its effects on our society here.

I guess it is all the religion in our schools today causing all the problems. Thanks for the tip.:rolleyes:

I suppose it was all the religious zealots that killed 20 million Christians in the former USSR. Oh wait that was a secular humanist society that preached atheism. They also set the curriculum in schools. I could talk about Nazism but I think I have made my point. There has been far more damage done by atheist societies than all other religious ideals. Read up on history before you make such absurd comments.

[buildinthaskinnys]

Yes education is important. It is also abused in a lot of countries, where religion is part of the state. When we allowed religious bodies to run the native schools all hell broke loose. We need to insure that education and religion remain at arms length from each other. When you start teaching ideology is when the bad stuff starts to happen. With more Muslims wanting private religious schools for their kids, the more we will see its effects on our society here.

Yes religion should stay out of public schools, and politics, but unfortunately we live in an imperfect world.

[buildinthaskinnys]

I guess it is all the religion in our schools tody causing all the problems. Thanks for the tip.:rolleyes:

I suppose it was all the religious zealots that killed 20 million Christians in the former USSR. Oh wait that was a secular humanist society that preached atheism. They also set the curriculum in schools. I could talk about Nazism but I think I have made my point. There has been far more damage done by atheist societies than all other religious ideals. Read up on history before you make such absurd comments.

You are gonna have to backup your statement with more than that to solidify that comment, as 20 million people is a very small number compared to the death toll in the crusades for instance, not to mention the purging of pagans by the christians, these wars were mostly fought over religion.

[buildinthaskinnys]

But truth be told, in the end its all greed.

Religion is just a scapegoat used by the higher uppers to manipulate the minds of the unfortunate.

[RagingRandy]

^^^^ You can start your research here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democide
As you can see the commonly held estimate for the Crusade deaths is 1 million. You can go through the list and separate the deaths into religious and atheistic leadership. You will see that the atheists are far ahead.

However, the point is that even though people use religion as an excuse for killing it is rarely what their religion teaches. It is corrupt leadership that use religion to assert their own perversions.

Likewise, leaders with atheistic ideals do exactly the same thing. Rarely is it the ideals of the population that cause these atrocities but the views of the leadership.

EDIT: I just saw your last comment and agree fully.

[BAM]

.......

[macka]

^^^^ You can start your research here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democide
As you can see the commonly held estimate for the Crusade deaths is 1 million. You can go through the list and separate the deaths into religious and atheistic leadership. You will see that the atheists are far ahead.

However, the point is that even though people use religion as an excuse for killing it is rarely what their religion teaches. It is corrupt leadership that use religion to assert their own perversions.

Likewise, leaders with atheistic ideals do exactly the same thing. Rarely is it the ideals of the population that cause these atrocities but the views of the leadership.

EDIT: I just saw your last comment and agree fully.

Like I said in my post, IDEOLOGY should not be taught to the children but it is. Be it religious or atheist or whatever, when you twist young minds it tends to last a lot longer then if you try it on adults.

[BAM]

Like I said in my post, IDEOLOGY should not be taught to the children but it is. Be it religious or atheist or whatever, when you twist young minds it tends to last a lot longer then if you try it on adults.

You mean like what left wing profs, MTV, Hollywood, the mainstream media and television in general is doing to them?

[RagingRandy]

Like I said in my post, IDEOLOGY should not be taught to the children but it is. Be it religious or atheist or whatever, when you twist young minds it tends to last a lot longer then if you try it on adults.

The problem is you can not escape ideology. Though many have tried, you can not separate religious and political thought as religious thought shapes your world view and your world view will shape your politics. I include atheists when using the term religious.

[macka]

You mean like what left wing profs, MTV, Hollywood, the mainstream media and television in general is doing to them?

yes we should be educating not indoctrinating our children. We need to let them make their own informed decisions. I don't think religion should be taught in school, but at home by the parents. Kids won't be as exposed to radical ideology that way. At least I hope not.

[BAM]

^^ as long as the teachers keep their mouths shut about their own personal politics and beliefs. Who gets to decide what gets taught in your world? Left wing radicals that promote homosexuality and undesigned random evolution?

[macka]

^^ as long as the teachers keep their mouths shut about their own personal politics and beliefs. Who gets to decide what gets taught in your world? Left wing radicals that promote homosexuality and undesigned random evolution?

you mean wing nuts?

[BAM]

:)

[deleteduser0001]

^^ as long as the teachers keep their mouths shut about their own personal politics and beliefs. Who gets to decide what gets taught in your world? Left wing radicals that promote homosexuality and undesigned random evolution?

How would you do it?

[BAM]

For starters..
I think the school system/curriculum should be diversified, not one homogeneous flavor. Let people have choice instead of shoving one groups ideals and views of truth and history down the throats of our young people. I think diversity is a positive, not a negative.

[kawikaratekid]

you guys will have a problem with Islam when it is the government.

Why would I have a problem with it? They won't be in government in my lifetime. My children or my childrens children may...How many presidents did we have to go through before we finally got a black president?

[kawikaratekid]

exactly. i hope your kids dont have any daughters, because their husbands raping them will probably become legal, and they wont be able to show their faces in public (or any other part of their skin).

You can't show your face in public if you are a virgin and very true to the religion. Things are starting to change though and virgin muslims are going out without being covered up...

[BAM]

I think a large Muslim presence will fix some things that are wrong with the west.

[buildinthaskinnys]

/\/\

care to elaborate?

[deleteduser0001]

For starters..
I think the school system/curriculum should be diversified, not one homogeneous flavor. Let people have choice instead of shoving one groups ideals and views of truth and history down the throats of our young people. I think diversity is a positive, not a negative.

they do, its called private and charter schools. the choice to go to a christian/catholic/Muslim/jewish etc school, is yours. the learning material is mandated provincially but the way it is taught, it pretty much up to the district/school and or teacher.

[L3]

lets not forget about the asians and indians

white man is a dying breed

[waderow]

I think a large Muslim presence will fix some things that are wrong with the west.

Bam, you say a lot of stupid shit, but this is the stupidest.

You bitch and cry about cops using tazers??? Wait till you get a taste of Sharia.

****, I dont know whether to laugh at you or feel sorry for you

[BAM]

Bam, you say a lot of stupid shit, but this is the stupidest.

You bitch and cry about cops using tazers??? Wait till you get a taste of Sharia.

****, I dont know whether to laugh at you or feel sorry for you

Do you think muslims are going to instantaniously outnumber everyone in one swoop and turn Canada into Afganistan overnight?
I don't think that we would ever get to Sharia law. They would be diluted and lefternized over generations. At the most, we would become a more moderate society and not so extreme left.

p.s.

U R ghey

[buildinthaskinnys]

Bam, you say a lot of stupid shit, but this is the stupidest.

You bitch and cry about cops using tazers??? Wait till you get a taste of Sharia.

****, I dont know whether to laugh at you or feel sorry for you

For once I am gonna side with you Waderow, shariah law is one of the most ****ed up systems of law if not the MOST ****ed up system of law there is. Based on something written back 1500 years ago, totally binded to religion, and at the same time not translated the same between two different people, can you see a problem here?

Bums get caned, homos get slain, a woman complains about being raped? sentence her to death.

While not all countries and states adhere to the strict original laws that shariah implies, one is more than enough. Also the beautiful thing is the countries that follow shariahs law are theocrasies, so to speak out against your government is blasphemy, and punishable by death, so this works out in favour of ruthless dictators.

And little by little, it starts to invade our feeble law system, allowing immigrants to have their rights as they did in their homeland, but we can all bet that alot of them use it to their own advantage.

One thing that is a little different, maybe even a little better for us men haha women dont typically get custody of the children, and they get lot less money in divorces. :yeah

[spitfire]

One thing that is a little different, maybe even a little better for us men haha women dont typically get custody of the children, and they get lot less money in divorces. :yeah


This alone will make many western men welcome muslims. It's about time the rules of divorce and children change to either make it fair for men or in favour of men. Too long we got screwed.

[Gib]

"Do you think muslims are going to instantaniously outnumber everyone in one swoop and turn Canada into Afganistan overnight?
I don't think that we would ever get to Sharia law. They would be diluted and lefternized over generations. At the most, we would become a more moderate society and not so extreme left."

Good boy! Keep your head buried in the sand!
It wont happen! It wont happen! It wont happen!

Someone explain to me why these people mass emigrate from their country to ours...and we bend over backwards to allow them to try to make our country as much like the one they left as possible?

I think it was in Dennis Leary's stand up act who said "I know not all muslims are terrorists....but i know all terrorists are muslims!"

As a country who believes in freedom for each person, and who has fought wars to protect our culture and our ideals, its is shameful for anyone to turn a blind eye to any group that wants to alter our culture, an make it fit a less free, less tolerant society.

And yes, muslim nations are the least tolerant in the world.

Come to Canada for sure, but a level of assimiliation and integration is needed.

[BAM]

Bums get caned, homos get slain, a woman complains about being raped? sentence her to death.



Well, perhaps we can convince them not to kill the complaining women and focus that energy on hiring the bums to cane the homosexuals?
(not all of them, just Ellen Degenerate, Andy Dick and Rosy O'douchebag.)

lol

[buildinthaskinnys]

I wonder if I could go to iran and break a law then have them use my homelands laws when I go on trial? Yeh im sure that will go over well, not!

Thanks to these bendover beurocrats we have in canada that sell out what our grandfathers fought over for a few minority votes, im starting to hate my country. The problem isnt with islam though here, it is these loser no ballz politicians that we keep voting in.

Shariahs law, has no place in canada, and I cant believe that someone has let them practice any form of it, its disgusting to me, truly disgusting.

[macka]

I wonder if I could go to iran and break a law then have them use my homelands laws when I go on trial? Yeh im sure that will go over well, not!

Thanks to these bendover beurocrats we have in canada that sell out what our grandfathers fought over for a few minority votes, im starting to hate my country. The problem isnt with islam though here, it is these loser no ballz politicians that we keep voting in.

Shariahs law, has no place in canada, and I cant believe that someone has let them practice any form of it, its disgusting to me, truly disgusting.

SO what law would you violate? Drunk in a public place?

[buildinthaskinnys]

Being that drinking alcohol is forbidden, I imagine I would be decapitated for that one.

[Gib]

"Thanks to these bendover beurocrats we have in canada that sell out what our grandfathers fought over for a few minority votes, im starting to hate my country."

Dont hate it bro, fight to make it the way it should be...

[BAM]

wtf is with muslim dudes washin their feet in the public washroom sinks?

[Ritch]

wtf is with muslim dudes washin their feet in the public washroom sinks?

LOL! I`ve seen that a few times...

[waderow]

I wonder if I could go to iran and break a law then have them use my homelands laws when I go on trial? Yeh im sure that will go over well, not!

Thanks to these bendover beurocrats we have in canada that sell out what our grandfathers fought over for a few minority votes, im starting to hate my country. The problem isnt with islam though here, it is these loser no ballz politicians that we keep voting in.

Shariahs law, has no place in canada, and I cant believe that someone has let them practice any form of it, its disgusting to me, truly disgusting.

sharia:

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=518_1190245078

the guy appears to purposely **** up the girls noose in this one so she can suffer more: http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=2a0_1185106657

[kyle]

Its not rocket science canadians are to lazy to have their own children. When your outsource the next generation to countries that are extreme muslim states what do you think is going to happen. This is our own doing if you want to change this go have some kids its the only way anything can change.

[Bowlcut]

sharia:

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=518_1190245078

the guy appears to purposely **** up the girls noose in this one so she can suffer more: http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=2a0_1185106657

Just wait that will be here in 25 years unless people wake up.

[BAM]

Supposedly they were murderers.

Thats what we should do with all our murderers.

[Sean]

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20090401/afghan_law_090401?s_name=&no_ads=

[tiramisu]

I have no more problem with moderate moslems than moderate christians. It's the wing nuts like the ones who made this video that scare me.

[sdonnell]

Ok, so first of all....Muslims are not a unified force with one Umma. There are many different types of Islam, just like christianity. Christians also hold a privegelled place in Islam.

Middle Eastern countries with secular governments. Egypt, Tunisia, Morocco, Algeria, Syria, Lebanon, Jordan, Oman, Iraq, and Turkey(arguable).
Only Iran and Saudi Arabia do the governments try to define Islam.
SOOOO after 1500 years, only 2 Islamic countries dont have secular governments. Not very likely that us Western countries will be getting Islamic governments any time soon

If what your concerned about is Islamic activism, or your extremely politically incorrect terms such as Islamist, islamic fundamentalist, or political Islam. You need to understand that Islamic countries do not agree with these organizations. The reason these "Islamists" even exist is because of the "West" and our pressures put on the middle east for 200 years.

And also, why wouldnt our cultures start declining? We are the MINORITY world, and the minority by along way.

[waderow]

Ok, so first of all....Muslims are not a unified force with one Umma. There are many different types of Islam, just like christianity. Christians also hold a privegelled place in Islam.

Middle Eastern countries with secular governments. Egypt, Tunisia, Morocco, Algeria, Syria, Lebanon, Jordan, Oman, Iraq, and Turkey(arguable).
Only Iran and Saudi Arabia do the governments try to define Islam.
SOOOO after 1500 years, only 2 Islamic countries dont have secular governments. Not very likely that us Western countries will be getting Islamic governments any time soon

If what your concerned about is Islamic activism, or your extremely politically incorrect terms such as Islamist, islamic fundamentalist, or political Islam. You need to understand that Islamic countries do not agree with these organizations. The reason these "Islamists" even exist is because of the "West" and our pressures put on the middle east for 200 years.

And also, why wouldnt our cultures start declining? We are the MINORITY world, and the minority by along way.


you must be a muslim. or a brainwashed lefty


go try and date a muslim girl in Malaysia or turkey or iraq or syria or algeria or indonesia or pakistan or egypt or sudan or afganistan etc etc etc etc et c

or better yet, try to spread christianity in an open way. stand on the corner with a bible and preach Jesus. see what happens... lol

you will get your ****ing head cut off

[sdonnell]

So accoring to you waderow. No Christians live in any of those countries because if they did they would get there heads cut off?
Look at Egypt. 6-9% of the population is Christian, these Christians work together with the islamic activists against colonianism for social justice.

Fox news and American media can portray events in any way they like. Take it with a grain of salt.

Im not a lefty or a muslim. Go read some books like, Orientalism by Edward Said, Global Rebellion by Juergensmeyer, or Islam in the Middle East by G.P Makris.

[waderow]

christians are persecuted daily in muslim countries... and beheaded in some too

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005_Indonesian_beheadings_of_Christian_girls

[macka]

So accoring to you waderow. No Christians live in any of those countries because if they did they would get there heads cut off?
Look at Egypt. 6-9% of the population is Christian, these Christians work together with the islamic activists against colonianism for social justice.

Fox news and American media can portray events in any way they like. Take it with a grain of salt.

Im not a lefty or a muslim. Go read some books like, Orientalism by Edward Said, Global Rebellion by Juergensmeyer, or Islam in the Middle East by G.P Makris.

A friend of mine who was a missionary was denied entry into Libya on the grounds of his beliefs. In New Guineau and Irinjia Muslims openly carry weapons and threaten non muslims.

Books like those, are usually written by people who are given the "golden tour" by the governments in question. If you look at the countries under travel warning and restrictions on the Canadian gov website almost all of them that have a warning are Muslim. Coincidence? umm no.