flapjack
30-04-2009, 05:27 PM
I agree that most stuff that comes from China is SHIT, including raw powders. I do however use underground Steroids but it is always good to look at things from both sides. Knoledge is power.
I just want to make a very clear statement as to my position on the use of Underground Steroids. This forum is public and uncensored barring our rules for dealing drugs and improper behavior. There is often a lot of discussion about this or that underground lab. How excellent the products are, and how they are perfectly pure etc. etc. I want to make sure everyone reading understands what underground steroids really are.
Underground labs are illegal unlicensed operations. It is not possible for these labs to directly purchase bulk pharmaceutical quality steroids to package for the public. Very few, if any, have the resources to obtain true USP (99+% tested pure) materials. Fewer still would spend the money on these materials even if they could obtain them, as they are very expensive.
Instead, underground labs obtain their drugs (99%) from unlicensed Chinese brokers. The thing you need to understand about China is that it has a strong regulated drug market. The U.S. buys a lot of real drugs from China. HOWEVER - The steroids we are talking about are very very rarely produced at pharmaceutical facilities.
The VAST MAJORITY of bulk steroids coming from China are produced in chemical companies. Imagine if you will a company that makes pesticides, synthetic dyes, or other manufacturing-level chemicals, and one day said, "You know what, we can make steroids in here if we want". These chemical companies are not licensed to produce drugs, and do not have to comply with even the minimal of GMP guidelines. They are not inspected. Rarely do they have the capacity to produce very pure products. Still, they very often do produce drugs. In fact, it is estimated that HALF of all drugs sold in China come from this illegal chemical market. This number is significantly higher with anabolic steroids.
It doesn't matter how much you filter a solution. Many things can pass through a .22-micro screen. If you are making drugs with impure steroid APIs, you will produce underground steroids that are impure.
While I concede that there are many underground products of acceptable (safe) purity, the market at its core is completely unregulated, and feeds off a completely unregulated supply chain of rouge chemical companies.
So, in short, it is my opinion now, as it as been for a very long time, that consumers:
SHOULD NOT KNOWINGLY USE UNDERGROUND ANABOLIC STEROIDS
If you want to read more, follow this link...
http://www.bodyofscience.com/forum/showthread.php?t=5533
I just want to make a very clear statement as to my position on the use of Underground Steroids. This forum is public and uncensored barring our rules for dealing drugs and improper behavior. There is often a lot of discussion about this or that underground lab. How excellent the products are, and how they are perfectly pure etc. etc. I want to make sure everyone reading understands what underground steroids really are.
Underground labs are illegal unlicensed operations. It is not possible for these labs to directly purchase bulk pharmaceutical quality steroids to package for the public. Very few, if any, have the resources to obtain true USP (99+% tested pure) materials. Fewer still would spend the money on these materials even if they could obtain them, as they are very expensive.
Instead, underground labs obtain their drugs (99%) from unlicensed Chinese brokers. The thing you need to understand about China is that it has a strong regulated drug market. The U.S. buys a lot of real drugs from China. HOWEVER - The steroids we are talking about are very very rarely produced at pharmaceutical facilities.
The VAST MAJORITY of bulk steroids coming from China are produced in chemical companies. Imagine if you will a company that makes pesticides, synthetic dyes, or other manufacturing-level chemicals, and one day said, "You know what, we can make steroids in here if we want". These chemical companies are not licensed to produce drugs, and do not have to comply with even the minimal of GMP guidelines. They are not inspected. Rarely do they have the capacity to produce very pure products. Still, they very often do produce drugs. In fact, it is estimated that HALF of all drugs sold in China come from this illegal chemical market. This number is significantly higher with anabolic steroids.
It doesn't matter how much you filter a solution. Many things can pass through a .22-micro screen. If you are making drugs with impure steroid APIs, you will produce underground steroids that are impure.
While I concede that there are many underground products of acceptable (safe) purity, the market at its core is completely unregulated, and feeds off a completely unregulated supply chain of rouge chemical companies.
So, in short, it is my opinion now, as it as been for a very long time, that consumers:
SHOULD NOT KNOWINGLY USE UNDERGROUND ANABOLIC STEROIDS
If you want to read more, follow this link...
http://www.bodyofscience.com/forum/showthread.php?t=5533