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gustavo77
25-04-2009, 02:03 AM
"The Pro Creator
By Hany Rambod
(APRIL 2008)

FST-7 – the key to muscle growth

What is FST-7?
FST-7 is a training system I devised after years of research and a great deal of trial and error with many clients. FST stands for Fascia Stretch Training, and the seven refers to the seven sets performed for the final exercise of a target bodypart. I have had many clients use this system for overall growth and especially to improve stubborn bodyparts that were seemingly resistant to just about anything else the person had tried. FST-7 encompasses several factors both inside and outside the gym. This month we will focus on the training aspects.

Is fascia limiting your muscle growth?
There are three types of fascia in the human body, but the type bodybuilders should be concerned about is deep fascia. This is dense fibrous connective tissue that interpenetrates and surrounds the muscles, bones, nerves, and blood vessels of the body. The high density of collagen fibers is what gives the deep fascia its strength and integrity. The amount of elastin fibers determines how much extensibility and resiliency it will have. In other words, some of us have fascia that is thicker and tougher than others. The most genetically blessed bodybuilders have thinner fascia, which is why their muscle bellies appear to be larger and fuller, with that round ‘bubbly’ look that all bodybuilders covet. Ronnie Coleman and Phil Heath would be two prime examples of individuals blessed with thin fascia. Their muscles expand easier. Think of it in terms of it being easier to blow up a balloon as opposed to one of those water bottles that strongmen like Franco Columbu used to. Jay Cutler and Nasser El-Sonbatty are two men that clearly have thicker fascia. This didn’t prevent them from building substantial muscle mass, obviously, but neither man ever had that round ‘Marvel Comics’ appearance to their muscles. Yet the average bodybuilder has thicker fascia than either of those two champions. In an effort to expand their fascia and allow growth to occur, some have turned to Synthol and other items that are injected deep into the muscle belly. There have even been some advisors, mainly online, that make it seem as if this is the only solution and must be done. They will also try and insist that all the pro’s use Synthol and site inject, which I can assure you is not true. Synthol and related products are foreign substances, and you can never be certain how they will metabolize in the body. We are starting to see various health issues with bodybuilders that are more than likely related to site injecting. Yes, you do need to stretch the muscle fascia to experience optimal growth, but that is not the way to do it.

All stretching is not the same
I am not the first person to recognize the importance of stretching the muscle fascia. First John Parrillo, then more recently Dante Trudel of DC Training fame, incorporate aggressive stretching during workouts as part of their training programs. They had the right idea, but stretching the fascia by elongating the muscle is not the best method. FST-7 is based on stretching the muscle from the inside out by volumizing it. This is accomplished by getting the greatest pump possible while training.

Do I still train heavy, or can I just pump up with light weights?
One thing I don’t want anyone misconstruing is that FST-7 is all about pumping. That’s just one component. I also believe that a bigger muscle is a stronger muscle, and you absolutely must train with heavier weights in the 8-12 rep range. I have tried many variations of heavier and lighter training with clients over the years, and discovered that both types are needed. Heavy weights will build thickness and density, but they will not give you that round, full look. Similarly, getting incredible pumps all the time can impart some of that roundness, but you won’t ever get extreme muscle size without training with heavy straight sets. So you need to focus equally on maximizing both your strength and your pump in the same workouts to see optimal results. Here’s an example of a biceps workout, FST-7 style, that shows you how to incorporate both:

Alternate dumbbell curls 3-4 x 8-12
Machine preacher curl 3 x 8-12
EZ-bar curl 7 x 8-12 (rest 30-45 seconds between sets while sipping water – more on this next month)

I don’t typically like to use very high reps, because too often you will experience general fatigue and get short of breath before you have built the maximum pump in the muscle. I also don’t like the weight to be too heavy and limit the reps any lower than eight, because this is when you see form breaking down and ancillary muscles kicking in and robbing the target muscle of the proper stimulation. You can think of the ‘7’ set as blowing up a balloon. We keep the rest periods fairly short, because as you pump up the muscle, a little blood escapes in that time. You can think of it as blowing up a balloon with a slight leak in it – even though the balloon is being inflated, some air is escaping. The key is to build on the pump sets by set, exponentially, so that it reaches its maximum state by the final set. If the rest periods were too short, you wouldn’t have enough energy to do justice to the seven sets. Another question I often get is, should the weight be constant as the seven sets go on? It can be, but it’s perfectly fine to reduce the weight one or two times as needed to stay in the proper rep range. There may also be times when you need to increase the weight, but this happens less often.

How often can I train bodyparts this way?
Generally speaking, this type of training is too traumatic on the larger muscle groups to use more than once a week. Due to the sheer volume of muscle cells, soreness tends to linger too long to allow for more frequent workouts. For instance, Phil Heath recently completed a back workout and was sore for four days. Since he is supposed to be training back and chest twice a week in preparation for the Arnold Classic, this threw him off his schedule somewhat. The higher than normal amount of microscopic tears in the muscle caused by FST-7 training necessitates a bit more recovery time than standard training protocols. However, smaller bodyparts like arms and calves certainly can and should be trained twice a week. This gives you twice as many opportunities to stretch the fascia in what are often exceedingly stubborn bodyparts. Here’s a sample split that displays how you could arrange this:


Day one: Biceps and triceps, calves
Day two: Legs
Day three: OFF
Day four: Chest and triceps
Day five: Back and calves
Day six: Shoulders and biceps
Day seven: OFF

This is a split geared toward someone with the goal of improving stubborn arms. There are many other variations depending on what the individual’s goals might be."

gustavo77
25-04-2009, 02:04 AM
"Which exercises are best suited to the ‘7’ sets?
Certain exercises are more appropriate than others for the ‘7’ sets. The big compound free weight movements like squats and deadlifts usually are poor choices, for two reasons. For one thing, they involve several other muscle groups and don’t do a good job of isolating a target muscle. Also, they require technique and balancing, which tends to break down if one attempts to perform multiple sets in such a short time span. Machines are a good choice in many instances because they keep you in a fixed plane of movement and thus make it easier to isolate a given muscle. Those with selectorized stacks also make it very fast and convenient to increase or decrease the resistance as needed. Here are some suggested movements that I have found work very well:

Back width: Machine pullovers (Hammer Strength, Nautilus) or cable pullovers

Back thickness: Seated row machines with chest support

Chest: Pec deck or peck flye machine*, cable crossovers
*I find that the pec decks with the pads for the elbows usually work very well for shorter trainers, while the pec flye machines
with handles seem to be better for tall guys. Try both – you will know by the pump and range of motion you achieve which one is a better choice for you.

Shoulders: Machine lateral raises with pads – my favorite is made by Bodymasters. Hammer Strength, LifeFitness, and Cybex also produce similar models.

Quads: Leg extensions, leg presses

Hamstrings: Seated or lying leg curls

Biceps: EZ-bar curls, machine curls, cable ‘front double biceps curls’

Triceps: Cable pushdowns using rope attachment
Overhead cable extensions
Skull crushers (for advanced trainers)

Calves: Standing and seated raises, calf raises using leg press
(alternate between these three)

When should I do my ‘7’?
The best time to do your ‘7’ is as the final exercise for a muscle group. You don’t want to do it first, as this would take away from your performance on the heavy straight sets that are also a critical factor in building muscle mass. Finishing off a bodypart with a great pump is something many top bodybuilders have been doing instinctively for years, not knowing that they were expanding their fascia and maximizing growth. It may be tempting to do your pumping sets earlier on if you can’t seem to get any kind of pump going, but I would urge you instead to do something like a set or two of 21’s to get the blood flowing and then proceed with your heavy sets before capping it all off with your ‘7’ set for that bodypart. Remember, ‘7’s’ are done at the conclusion of each bodypart, so if you are working multiple bodyparts in a given workout, you will be doing two or more of these extended pumping sets.

Next month

Now you know what you need to do in the gym, but there is more to FST-7. Next month we will look at how your nutrition should be set up to optimize your workouts and recovery as well as facilitate a better pump. I will also give you some real-life examples of clients that have used these methods to improve bodyparts that had been otherwise unresponsive for some time.


SIDEBAR

Sample FST-7 bodypart routines*


Triceps

Close-grip bench press 3-4 x 8-12
Weighted or machine dip 3 x 8-12
Overhead cable extension 7 x 8-12
(beginner and intermediate)
Skull crushers 7 x 8-12
(advanced)

Quads

Leg extensions 3-4 x 8-15
Squats 4 x 8-12
Hack squat or leg press 3 x 8-15
Leg extension or leg press 7 x 8-15

Chest

Incline dumbbell press 3-4 x 8-12
Incline dumbbell flye 3 x 8-12
Flat Hammer or dumbbell press 3 x 8-12
Pec deck or cable crossover 7 x 8-12

Shoulders

Seated dumbbell press 4 x 8-12
Barbell or dumbbell front raise 3 x 8-12
Dumbbell lateral raise 3 x 8-12
Lateral raise machine 7 x 8-12"

O-Train
25-04-2009, 12:46 PM
Double Post.

O-Train
25-04-2009, 01:00 PM
Anyone have personal experience with this program that they want to share? I'm kinda amazed how many people buy into fascial stretching. The jury is definitely still out on that. It could be the reason why people experience more muscle growth. Or it could be any of a number of other reasons also. I can't seem to remember any tough fascial tissue while disecting in Anatomy. Except for tendons and ligaments, which can also be lumped in with fascia/connective tissue. Also there is really tough fibrous tissue that covers the carpal tunnel in the wrist. Which causes all the fun problems you guys have with GH :).

I know from DC training I have a lot more stretch marks than I did previously. The stretch marks came as a result of growth. Did the growth come as a result of fascial stretching? I'm not sure.

I think if I tried this program I'd change some things. I firmly believe that a short duration, damaging stimulus is preferential to a longer duration "less intense" (notice the quoatations) stimulus. So get in, rip the hell out of your muscles in a short time and get out.

I went to the FST-7 site and noticed a lot of guys rotate between FST-7 and DC training so that may be worth a shot. Although I'm going to modify the hell out of FST-7. It may end up looking like DC and FST-7 had a baby and that baby will be my training program.

natenator
25-04-2009, 01:46 PM
Anyone have personal experience with this program that they want to share? I'm kinda amazed how many people buy into fascial stretching. The jury is definitely still out on that. It could be the reason why people experience more muscle growth. Or it could be any of a number of other reasons also. I can't seem to remember any tough fascial tissue while disecting in Anatomy. Except for tendons and ligaments, which can also be lumped in with fascia/connective tissue. Also there is really tough fibrous tissue that covers the carpal tunnel in the wrist. Which causes all the fun problems you guys have with GH :).

I know from DC training I have a lot more stretch marks than I did previously. The stretch marks came as a result of growth. Did the growth come as a result of fascial stretching? I'm not sure.

I think if I tried this program I'd change some things. I firmly believe that a short duration, damaging stimulus is preferential to a longer duration "less intense" (notice the quoatations) stimulus. So get in, rip the hell out of your muscles in a short time and get out.

I went to the FST-7 site and noticed a lot of guys rotate between FST-7 and DC training so that may be worth a shot. Although I'm going to modify the hell out of FST-7. It may end up looking like DC and FST-7 had a baby and that baby will be my training program.
why would you modify something without having tried it first?

O-Train
25-04-2009, 01:58 PM
why would you modify something without having tried it first?

Good point. I think at this stage I've tried enough high volume workouts to know what I respond best to. With DC I tried the program first before I started changing some things. I guess I just don't see the logic in doing 7 consecutive sets with 30-45 seconds rest in between. To be blunt, I think I know of better ways to achieve the same end result. For example. You could get just as good a pump doing less sets but with slow controlled form. I think 7 sets is kinda overkill for me but it might work awesome for you.

I'm not trying to influence anyone. I'm just one of those people that likes to write things down. It's easier than working it all out in my head.

Ritch
25-04-2009, 02:06 PM
I really don`t think there is anyway of doing this natural. I usually do 6 sets per bodypart. Adding 7 sets is more than doubling my workout sets... Another program for the genetically gifted pro`s. I just don`t see how you can go heavy and rest 30-45 seconds between each set, plus after your regular workout... I think if you can do that, you didn`t train hard enough on your regular workout sets.

natenator
25-04-2009, 02:08 PM
To be blunt, I think I know of better ways to achieve the same end result.

lmao

when you've achieved the level of success that Hany has then you can spout off about knowing better ways this and better ways that.

Until then maybe try a little humility and maybe accept that you don't know everything simply cause you took some courses in school?

O-Train
25-04-2009, 02:08 PM
I really don`t think there is anyway of doing this natural. I usually do 6 sets per bodypart. Adding 7 sets is more than doubling my workout sets... Another program for the genetically gifted pro`s. I just don`t see how you can go heavy and rest 30-45 seconds between each set, plus after your regular workout... I think if you can do that, you didn`t train hard enough on your regular workout sets.

You mean the drug enhanced pro's...

O-Train
25-04-2009, 02:09 PM
lmao

when you've achieved the level of success that Hany has then you can spout off about knowing better ways this and better ways that.

Until then maybe try a little humility and maybe accept that you don't know everything simply cause you took some courses in school?

**** humility, I know what I know. His program isn't based on jack shit and I couldn't care less who he trains.

Ritch
25-04-2009, 02:12 PM
You mean the drug enhanced pro's...

Exactly.

natenator
25-04-2009, 02:14 PM
**** humility, I know what I know. His program isn't based on jack shit and I couldn't care less who he trains.
ahh yes, the true O_hurley comes out...

JonnyO
25-04-2009, 02:44 PM
See I've kept quiet about this ....because I just dont want to get into it....but now Im starting to have a problem with this a little bit....why?

I know some of you guys on this board were trained by Hany a couple years ago....why so quiet? You know what I know.....spill it.

My problem is this.....he wasnt doing any of this a little while ago with people.....none of it....he did the regular rigamoro training everyone else did. But he was very good at something, getting people in contest condition and along the way you would hear the complaints from competitors "man he wants me to use alot of *%&^&& and *&%*&^(*".....screw it so be it, the guy gets people in great contest condition.

Somewhere IMO in the past 12 months or so he felt he didnt have a "hook".....a "gimmick" if you will. It was just "Hany dieted me down and told me what to use and i did awesome in the show as I was shredded" but he didnt have anything that was "his thing"

More power to you.....Go for it, personally I dont get where someone skilled in getting people in diced contest shape (specific dieting down, cardio, mucho ergo aids) suddenly gets status as "knows how to train people to get them up bigtime in muscle mass" as I see guys being promoted that were already massive walking tanks....and again I say it....hany got them in incredible condition dieting down. Guy is on his game contest condition wise.

But when I start hearing things like "he improved on the faults in the DC training"....I start getting a little bit irritated to be honest with you because I kind of see a little bit of "hmmm that fascia stretching seems the popular trend of thought and rest pausing, Ill borrow things like that and go with it" when the truth of the matter a short couple years ago his stuff he had guys doing was nothing like that. It was basically "hey do 4 exercises for 8-12 reps for large bodyparts and 3 exercises for 8-12 reps for small ones"

So here are my questions.....since Ive had to explain my stuff countless times.

1) What do the 7 sets do exactly? Why 7? Why not 20? why not 4? Stretching fascia from the inside out? What was everyone else doing it from the outside in previously?

Explain the method to the madness because to me its kind of bogus and kind of seems like "man i need to develop a following/a gimmick, I really dont have one"

Because if you really want to get the biggest pump you can then you should be doing the following

a full muscle cell is made up water, glycogen and salt.....you should lift on a one day on one day off program and the day before and up to the training time should be spent taking in water, glycerol, and predominantly salt/salty foods carbohydrates and to a lesser degree protein...and then again (why 7 sets? seems like a poor mans restpause to me but hey what do i know)....you should pyramid up to your heaviest weight and then dropset the shit out of it (with no programmed number of sets, just do it until you are so engorged you can hardly hold the weight) and then stretch that muscle.

See my sour grapes on all this comes from getting so much shit about my methods 10 years ago on the net (people were bashing me left and right saying it wouldnt work and it was bullshit) and it was pretty much me flapping in the wind arguing back with them....until i built up a huge resume of bbers who put on boatloads of muscle mass and people shut the hell up pretty darn quick. So yea i get a little bit irritated when i see someone say "hey im going to borrow a semblance of that concept and this one and this one and guess what? I dont even have to explain WHY its done....look at my guys I get in contest shape (which has nothing to do with getting bigger muscularly).....that should be reason enough"

Every single time you see me talk about extreme stretches in a magazine and youll see it again this month in the latest Musclemag Intl....I always say "Parillo's" name, same thing with green tea (Brooklyn Juice is the most slighted person ever in bodybuilding because that guy put green tea on the bodybuilding map and his mass information in promoting it has caused alot of people never to mention his name in passing when recommending green tea in the bodybuilding arena) but I will never credit anyone for my way of going to failure 3 times on the way to 11-20 reps because I know Im the guy who was experimenting with that all during the early 90's

People can train any way they want....thats always been my deal....but Im not going to be silent when I feel that I am kind of getting slighted with a "hey this is the new and improved DC squared" routine without that individual having to explain the why's and how's to it. My stuff is all about progression, getting to point B from point A as quick as possible, weak bodypart training is "widowmakers" and its using a key productive exercise that works for that individual and hammering it maximally progression wise for months and months every time that bodyparts comes up until he gets that bodypart up in size fairly dramatically.

If similiarity is going to be used here then explain the reasoning behind all the details and why other more productive ways of getting an engorged pump isnt being used.....

If anyone thinks Im being pissy about this whole thing....I was ok with everything even when I saw the similiarities when it came out......up to the point to where I remembered that I had to explain why and how this stuff works a million times over and someone else gets the "benefit of the doubt" because he got so and so diced for that show on top of this "improved on the concept" trend of thought.

Want to impress me? Go take a non pro, non genetically blessed 175 pound man and put some damn good muscular size on him because personally I dont get impressed with "300 pound Bobby who has been 300 pounds for the last 8 years, finally gets diced for a show and wins with your help so now you take credit for all the size he has always had anyway"

You do get my respect for getting him diced though.

I dont make money off of DC training so I really shouldnt give a crap..... but im sure if you asked someone like Troponin or Shelby if somebody came along with the notion of "hey this is the new and improved carb cycling program that looks like it was kind of borrowed a little from Trop and Shelby but really isnt....I promise"..........they would be a little bit irritated

4031
26-04-2009, 04:45 AM
well said JonnyO

natenator
27-04-2009, 10:38 AM
Dante has a right to say what he wants to say. He's earned that through years of through of proven credibility and experience. Others who talk smack, have not...

JonnyO
27-04-2009, 12:31 PM
well said JonnyO

Doggcrapp said it bro I copied and pasted I thought it was pretty well said too.

Hany's known for bringing guys into shows not making guys bigger. He's training Phil Heath but that damn guy can just look at a weight and he'd grow so Hany cant take much credit for his size but he sure can for dialing him in for shows as he's money every time.

tex
27-04-2009, 06:20 PM
Ive tried fst 7 ( only used for 2 months )and it was interesting...the pumps were ridiculous and down right painful....loading the water during the sets of 7 was a pain in the ass.....