The newest trend in Ottawa for competitors...

[natenator]

Is apparently to drop the test from their cycle 9 weeks out from their show date.

I know 3 people competing in May and they all are being advised to do the same thing.

They told me this and I swear to god I looked at them like they just asked me to clean the toilet. I could not muster the wisdom for words as I was so dumbstruck by this methodology.

ANYONE else EVER heard such a thing?????????

[nitrous]

i've never heard of it that far out.. but then again i dont compete either

[natenator]

i've never heard of it that far out.. but then again i dont compete either
Well I do but **** me I have never heard of it!

I typically switch to short acting 7 weeks out and run it straight through. Don't hold water if I am using arimidex and have someone doing my final week of prep which includes water manipulation. Durietic used tho.

[Big D]

lol,,, I dont compete either, but sounds like a dumb idea. they are probably gonna feel and look like shit

[mikeok]

lol the latest tren in quebec is to run 1400mg of prop weekly during ur pre contest cycle lol and 1mg of real arimedex per day

[natenator]

lol the latest tren in quebec is to run 1400mg of prop weekly during ur pre contest cycle lol and 1mg of real arimedex per day
I don't see anything wrong with that at all. Not perfect but nothing overly wrong with it either.

I typically run Adex 1mg ed through my contest prep.

[rickyboy36]

Is apparently to drop the test from their cycle 9 weeks out from their show date.

I know 3 people competing in May and they all are being advised to do the same thing.

They told me this and I swear to god I looked at them like they just asked me to clean the toilet. I could not muster the wisdom for words as I was so dumbstruck by this methodology.

ANYONE else EVER heard such a thing?????????

They are dropping the test,but are they running any other compounds?

[ironwill]

thats different for sure....i have heard of a few pros that drop test 3 weeks out...I believe tom prince as advised by chad nicholls used to do this...

[nitrous]

thats different for sure....i have heard of a few pros that drop test 3 weeks out...I believe tom prince as advised by chad nicholls used to do this...

yeah i have heard 2-3 weeks out before drop the test.. never 9

[Rambo_84]

9 weeks seems like a lot...I hope its not their competition on stage giving them that advice :P

[Beachmuscle]

9 weeks seems like a lot...I hope its not their competition on stage giving them that advice :P


That was my first thought, a little diversion/misinformation tactics. :)

[Rambo_84]

HAHA....when you mentioned that, I thought of Arnold in Pumping Iron when he was giving buddy that horrible advice, then he turns around and laughts about it. That was gold.

[Adonis13]

a guy i competed against did this. he was last...let me guess they are running shit like primo or masterone. these guys come in flat and always say it was the right thing to do even though they suck on comp day, usually these guys do not know what the **** they are doing and its usually the competition that gives them this advice.

[St]

Most people just diet on Test Prop.The only Logic i see is some people worry about holding water,but a anti-estrogen will take care of that.

[Kronis]

thats different for sure....i have heard of a few pros that drop test 3 weeks out...I believe tom prince as advised by chad nicholls used to do this...

yup, that's what TP said in his bb.com thread.

dropping test 9 weeks out is just illogical.

[Praetorian]

Is apparently to drop the test from their cycle 9 weeks out from their show date.

I know 3 people competing in May and they all are being advised to do the same thing.

They told me this and I swear to god I looked at them like they just asked me to clean the toilet. I could not muster the wisdom for words as I was so dumbstruck by this methodology.

ANYONE else EVER heard such a thing?????????

Dumbest thing I've ever heard. Why in the world would you do that?
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[Praetorian]

I don't see anything wrong with that at all. Not perfect but nothing overly wrong with it either.

I typically run Adex 1mg ed through my contest prep.

You can run test enanthate right through with aromasin or femara and be dry as hell. 1mg ED of arimidex is fine 4 weeks out but too high from day one.
99% of the people that complain they are holding water are completely wrong...they are holding FAT!
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[JonnyO]

99% of the people that complain they are holding water are completely wrong...they are holding FAT!
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LOL, big time. And always the day before the show they had striated glutes but spilled over night.

[O-Train]

LOL, big time. And always the day before the show they had striated glutes but spilled over night.

Lol, yeah. Like a couple hundred extra grams of carbs makes all the difference. I'm not even going to mess with water intake or diuretics anymore. The more I think about it the more I don't understand depleting the body of water when muscle is something like 70% water. Maybe it applies more to you guys.

Back on topic, really bad idea.

[Blitz-Test]

I have never heard of not dropping Test....

Switch to short esters 10 weeks out, drop test completely 4 weeks out, start letro 3 weeks out...

[Mrdestruction]

wow thats early, 9 weeks!!! man. I usually stop like 3 weeks before contest.

[quebecbulk]

I'm from your neck of the woods Nate and I have to say over the years i've sen my fair share of yahoo's thinking dropping test 6-8 wks out is the way to go.

Hell when I did provincials 3 years ago my gatineau trainer wanted to drop my test 7 wks out while running tren, mast and winny...lol

I decided to sneak in a shot of prop eod up to a week out without telling the little man:ne

[natenator]

I have never heard of not dropping Test....

Switch to short esters 10 weeks out, drop test completely 4 weeks out, start letro 3 weeks out...
no one I know drops their test

[tony_canuck]

i don't see the reasons for dropping so far out.... keep us posted if you do run it this way and how the results are

[Blitz-Test]

no one I know drops their test

Strange, I guess different areas do things different...

[natenator]

Strange, I guess different areas do things different...
well considering I came from the Toronto area and have worked with some high level trainers... none of them ever advised me to come off.

[waderow]

some guys do not run test at all.

but I myself know nothing about contest prep protocols

[Blitz-Test]

well considering I came from the Toronto area and have worked with some high level trainers... none of them ever advised me to come off.

Like I said different areas...

[natenator]

some guys do not run test at all.

but I myself know nothing about contest prep protocols
this is way true. I know some who run high doses of EQ, tren and var and do plenty fine.

[vegan_hunter]

Running things like Test / D-bol / anadrol during a contest prep helps keep my muscles full and pumped.

If I dropped them, I would waste away on limited calories! IMO, there is nothing wrong with running Test right up to a show, as long as you run a healthy dose of aromitase inhibitor.

Most guys just get the thought into their heads that they're holding 10 or 15 lbs of water..... which is bull shit! They're just fat! If you're "ready" you shouldn't loose more than a pound or two of water when you start up dieretics.

[ironwill]

really...only a lb or 2 when starting diuretics...i was expecting like 6-8???Maybe im misinformed

[vegan_hunter]

really...only a lb or 2 when starting diuretics...i was expecting like 6-8???Maybe im misinformed

I guess It depends on the person..... I didn't drop more than 2 lbs on an Aldactone & Diazide protocol. But I was pretty dry to the bone already.

[natenator]

I guess It depends on the person..... I didn't drop more than 2 lbs on an Aldactone & Diazide protocol. But I was pretty dry to the bone already.
how you come in will determine a lot of that. I've seen guys hold 6-8lbs of water and drop it and it WAS water lol

[Praetorian]

The bottom line is this:
If you are doing something be prepared to back up what you are doing with some cold hard facts...not because some dumb ass trainer told you to. Dropping test is a big mistake before a contest period. It doesnt take a rocket scientist to figure out why...do some simple research and youll get all the answers you need. As well there is no longer any reason to run short ester test either. If you are running an AI you will not have any estro related sides namely water issues. People really are misinformed when it comes to contest prep especially what drugs do what and how to utilize them effectively. One of the simplest but yet most effective precontest cycles is test C plus deca first 8 weeks and test E plus tren and winny last 8 weeks with an AI of course. The only other thing would be to add halo in three weeks out.
When it comes to dropping water if you are pulling many lbs of water you are fu*king your condition period. Water, carb, and sodium manipulation is all done as a very final fine tuning...nothing drastic. This includes any diuretics. Lasix, aldactone, etc are all huge mistakes. Yes youll drop water...but youll pull so much it comes not only from sub q but from the greatest supply intra muscular...now you are flat as hell with no pump and no vascularity because you just dropped your blood pressure through the floor...and if you used aldactone you are double fu*ked because your aldosterone levels will not permit sodium reabsorption and you will flatten out further.
Dyazide is the only pharm diuretic i would recommend and in small doses ie half tabs at a time.
Ive seen many people screw 16 weeks of hard dieting only to look like hell on stage because they took someones advice who thinks they know but basically all the info they had was heresay. You need to understand how the body functions and how the drugs work and interact in order to come in full and dry.
It takes years of exeprience as well as in depth knowledge to prepare clients consistently.
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[Jmany]

P you hit that one dead on...

I just finished competing, all i ran was Test E right up to the day of the show, with my last 20days put in Halo aswell.. NO AI at all, but im also way young, not really affected by estro.
All i did was water-flood, didnt **** with any diretiques at all and sure enough i was the dryest most conditioned guy there. and i believe i was the only one that wasnt taking a diretique :/

So true when you take it theres a very high risk you will be flattened right out..

[natenator]

Like I said different areas...
The more I think about this the more I feel compelled to reply with:

A dumb idea is a dumb idea regardless of whether a person is in Ottawa, London or Nova Scotia.

[Blitz-Test]

The more I think about this the more I feel compelled to reply with:

A dumb idea is a dumb idea regardless of whether a person is in Ottawa, London or Nova Scotia.

I dont understand the point of your comment... I am just saying this is what most competitors in my area do... I dont compete its not my idea....