With all that's happening with busts

[blimp]

Maybe we should speak about the laws in canada.

This is what I know.

Talking, posting, discussing AAS is total legal. Falls under freedom of speech.

Possession of AAS in canada is legal as long as it can be proved it's only for personal use.

Selling and buying AAS is illegal in Canada. Importation is illegal and manufacturing is illegal.

Do I have it covered. Can others add to this. Know your laws everyone in case something happens.

[meathead]

I think possession of any prescription drug ( that you don't have a valid prescription for ) is illegal in Canada??? :confused:

[D-S]

I think that depends on the schedule of the drug

[MuSuLPhReAk]

I thought possession of ASS wasn't illegal. Does anyone have the link to the rcmp site that mentioned AAS possession wasn't illegal?

[meathead]

I thought possession of ASS wasn't illegal. Does anyone have the link to the rcmp site that mentioned AAS possession wasn't illegal?


I found this :

The Controlled Drugs and Substances
Act regulates all medications and
some illicit drugs. Anabolic steroids
are dealt with in schedule 4 of the Act.
Importation, trafficking, and possession
with the intention of trafficking are all
punishable offences. Some of the other
illicit substances used by athletes
(cocaine, cannabis, etc.) are also
regulated under the Act, and
possession, trafficking, importation,
exportation, and production of these
also constitute violations of the Act.

Heres the link. http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/qc/pro_ser/sensibilisation/drogue_sport/drogue_sport_e.pdf

It states that posession with intent is illegal. I guess the question would be how much gear would be considered personal?

[blimp]

http://www.forces.gc.ca/health/services/health_promotion/engraph/factsheet_anabolicSteroid_e.asp

Are anabolic steroids illegal? In Canada, anabolic steroids and their derivatives are considered "Controlled Substances" and as such it is illegal to manufacture, import, export or sell these substances. Canadian Forces members are not exempt from this legislation and this is further reiterated in the Canadian Forces Drug Control Program as outlined in CFAO 19-21. Despite all of the above, using anabolic steroids is not illegal.

[meathead]

http://www.forces.gc.ca/health/services/health_promotion/engraph/factsheet_anabolicSteroid_e.asp

Are anabolic steroids illegal? In Canada, anabolic steroids and their derivatives are considered "Controlled Substances" and as such it is illegal to manufacture, import, export or sell these substances. Canadian Forces members are not exempt from this legislation and this is further reiterated in the Canadian Forces Drug Control Program as outlined in CFAO 19-21. Despite all of the above, using anabolic steroids is not illegal.

So if it's illegal to manufacture...I wonder what they consider homebrew fina to be? Is making your own illegal :confused:
Would there be a difference if you had possesion of UG gear rather than HG gear as UG doesn't have A licence to manufacture such products? If the cop had it out for you he could charge you for trafficking ect...even if it was possesion and have you try to prove it otherwise in court. :mad:

[Nightcrawler]

well, good to know a cycle wont' get ya to jail..

[St]

well, good to know a cycle wont' get ya to jail..


Yes it could get your friend in Jail if he pokes your ass with a shot.:p

[Nightcrawler]

Yes it could get your friend in Jail if he pokes your ass with a shot.:p LMAO!! yep, thats intent to give?

[BloodRage]

read the definition of traffick and intent to traffick: they pretty much have it all covered.

[Nightcrawler]

read the definition of traffick and intent to traffick: they pretty much have it all covered. Tis true, pretty well get ya with anything..

[St]

Tis true, pretty well get ya with anything..


You got that right,fuking pigs.

[blimp]

read the definition of traffick and intent to traffick: they pretty much have it all covered.

Do you have the definition? I can't find it anywhere on what intent means.

[BolicPower]

WEll, from what i think now, and from talking with few buds, instead of finding the end user, LE is now going backwards, and raiding out places where UG"s could buy from. This is how IMO all the US busts are happening, and will be here to unless ug's were good enough not to order themselves. This is more of a heads up. AS places like ebot/leme/etc would ALL be watched to see who recives it. Be careful everyone

[blimp]

Gosh I feel dumb. Ebot? leme? I have no clue what that is :(

[Hobo4hire]

pointless..steroids aren't even dangerous what the f

[Nightcrawler]

Ya, i just think LE should focous on the street corners, and hard core things... like why should anyone tell you what not to put in your body to improve your self. LIke rec's will bassicly bring all donw, i've never heard of someone needing there fix of gear... or loosing work due to steroids... it's a shame our tax dollars get spent on this.. i'm sure theres way more things they could be doing instead of wasing time busting people for being healthy. Murders/rappers/pedofidels/ list is massive but they chosse to do this? wtf... why would the olyimpics have such an efeect on gear..

[piller01]

i had a friend that got busted for some grass not much but it was still bagged and ready to go.they found his stash of gear it was a shoe box full of tabs,fliptops and amps.they left the box on his bed and took the herb they didn't say a word about the gear....

[meathead]

Ya, i just think LE should focous on the street corners, and hard core things... like why should anyone tell you what not to put in your body to improve your self. LIke rec's will bassicly bring all donw, i've never heard of someone needing there fix of gear... or loosing work due to steroids... it's a shame our tax dollars get spent on this.. i'm sure theres way more things they could be doing instead of wasing time busting people for being healthy. Murders/rappers/pedofidels/ list is massive but they chosse to do this? wtf... why would the olyimpics have such an efeect on gear..

The whole system is a joke! IMO its all to do with public pressure and politics. Absolute bullshit. Everyday you P/U the paper and can read someones getting killed, Raped, or whatever. Thats where the law inforcment tax dollars should be directed. If your not hurting/affecting anyone else then it shouldnt be illegal.

[Nightcrawler]

word bro, i know they say UG is unregulated, but everyone knows that, and they alway say is all bad... but really most UG i've read aobut all have been good.. some haven't but bad travels fast.. well, AT least in Canada I've not read to much on bust, who knows maybe they do have other things to do like more so recs .... just US seems hard core on it..

[meathead]

It definatly pisses me off that whatever the US does Canada usually follows suit. :(

[Bowlcut]

http://laws.justice.gc.ca/en/showdoc/cs/C-38.8/bo-ga:l_I//en#anchorbo-ga:l_I

that is the controlled drug and substance act. It answers all questions

[D-S]

word bro, i know they say UG is unregulated, but everyone knows that, and they alway say is all bad... but really most UG i've read aobut all have been good.. some haven't but bad travels fast.. well, AT least in Canada I've not read to much on bust, who knows maybe they do have other things to do like more so recs .... just US seems hard core on it..

If steroids were as bad for you as meth and heroin, there wouldn't be this many busts. It would be a good way for population control, to keep the poor, poorer and the rich richer...thats how the US works

Juice, HGH etc also makes the Pharm companies down there lose money b/c most people buy UG or Overseas/china stuff...all the hardcore drugs that ruin lives and get people really sick, make Pharm companies money, like Rehab, and Methadone and other drugs to help come off and not to mention hopistal visits, or HIV/AIDS from sharing dirty needles...all big ways Pharm companies make a ton of money down there

[AVEC]

The Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms guarantees the rights and freedoms set out in it subject only to such reasonable limits prescribed by law as can be demonstrably justified in a free and democratic society

Everyone has the following fundamental freedoms:
(b) freedom of thought, belief, opinion and expression, including freedom of the press and other media of communication;

many of us have educated ourselves on AAS and we have certain beliefs and opinions but yet we cant express ourselves??

[ManInTheBox]

The Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms guarantees the rights and freedoms set out in it subject only to such reasonable limits prescribed by law as can be demonstrably justified in a free and democratic society

You just pointed out right there the Charter's inherent limitations on our civil rights. As long as it can be demonstrated, than a limit may be placed on our rights.

The clause is used all the time: failure to provide a breath sample when demanded to do so by a peace officer constitutes an offence pursuant to section 254(5) of the Criminal Code of Canada. This is demonstrably justififiable due to the fact that detection of impaired drivers = saving lives. Therefore, in this case, the individuals rights under section 8 of the charter are limited. In addition, section 12 of the Charter cannot be used as a defence as there is no cruel and unusual punishment.

As for legality of AAS in Canada, there are no repurcussions for buying and/or possessing AAS (or any other schedule 4 drug - Anabolic Androgenic Steroids, Barbituates and Benzodiazepines). Contrary to popular belief (understandably so as this section as well as others are difficult to interperet due to the grammar and punctuation) section 4(2) which is often quoted as the source does not classify an offence when buying from a "street dealer".

Section 4(2) illustrates "double-doctoring" and prevents people from obtaining a scheduled substance (I-IV) from a practinioner (ie. your doctor) without disclosing the particulars relating to the acquisition of such substances within the preceding 30 days. So, in effect, this prevents people from abusing the system and acquiring something like Diazepam from their doctor, then going to another doctor and attempting to acquire Diazepam from him. This way, the drugs can be controlled somewhat from abuse.

See http://www.wrps.on.ca/drugs_law.html for your consultation on the above.

In fact, there is no penalty at all under the law for "purchasing" a controlled substance. If you purchase a controlled substance, you will be charged under possesion - not a phantom law of "procuring an illicit substance".

Trrafficking of course is highly illegal, of any controlled substance however the crown must prove beyond a reasonable doubt (not on a balance of probabilities) that the trafficiking was indeed for the unlawful propegation of illicit substances and was not incedental to the accused's personal use (R. v. Harrision and Scosky, [1964] 1 C.C.C 189, 41 C.R )

In short, you will be safe if somehow your driving around with with your vials of test and tren in your front seat - however...

There is no specific guideline as to how much posession of a drug constitutes as an offence under section 5 of the CDSA. Therefore, it is a question of law to be decided beyond a reasonable doubt in court. I personally know of people who have been questioned on their posession of AAS by peace officers and they've been allowed on their merry way.

So, essentially as far as Canadian law is concerned, the Underground Labs bear the full brunt of responsibility when it comes to legal matters. The consumer ostensibly has nothing to fear - unless the police come asking for info on the lab, in which case not telling the police what they want will line you up for an obstruction of justice charge and possibly (though not likely) aiding and abetting.

I hope I've helped to dispel some of the rumours and put your minds a little at ease. However, bear in mind that police can still take you for a ride even if they know their in the wrong and that can still cost you time, money and aggravation.

Bottom line, don't draw undue attention to yourself for no reason whatsoever unless you have a nice supply of ibuprofin handy for the headaches you'll cause yourself :)

[mandarb11]

Good post ManInTheBox! That is some useful information.

[BloodRage]

nice post for sure. I hope he's right. *crosses fingers*

[pseclint]

i also hope hes right *interlocks fingers in BR's*

[BloodRage]

creepy...

[macka]

at least he isn't interlacing his penis in your fingers :eek:

[BloodRage]

eww: thread penis!

[MuSuLPhReAk]

There seems to be an alternative out. Keep it off the boards for now. No need to publish it.