Political Discussion

[Beachmuscle]

We all know the current state of the world is dividing people, ie: the war in Iraq, Afghanistan, and the situation in Isreal/Palestine.

BUT, it think the discusions are turning into HATE MONGERING and outright RACISM/BIGOTRY.

I personally find them offensive and disgusting, arguements on both side are radical and serve no purpose on this forum.

I know, "Just don't read the posts" right? Just like turn off the TV if you don't like the show.

I don't know, I just don't think it's right. It's one thing to discuss in a geniune open minded manner, but when turning threads into talking about killing whole races of people regardless of their age or beliefs, it's sickening.

I'm surprised more people haven't spoken about the obvious Racism on each side of the spectrum. Please discuss.

[spitfire]

Politics is one of the hardest things to discuss as it always turns into hate filled posts that get out of hand.

[PdH]

I won't take part in the political discussions on this board. I come here to learn more about what I love to do and have some fun banter and laughs with a great bunch of people. Certain subject matters here become far too hostile and demeaning to many of the parties involved. My 2 cents.

[spitfire]

True. It can cause a lot of animosity between members if it gets out of hand. Probably not the wisest thing to discuss on a bb board.

[gustavo77]

Well i have given this a ton of thought recently...especially with some of the recent discussion on the board. On one hand, i believe it is important for people to have an arena to express their views and or frustrations and for censorship to be the last resort. On the other, there is a fine line between expression and activism and the only thing we should advocate here on CBB is a healthy lifestyle.

I will wait for MP to give us more feedback on this but i will be watching these threads closely...racism will not be tolerated on CBB.

[PdH]

I will wait for MP to give us more feedback on this but i will be watching these threads closely...racism will not be tolerated on CBB.

With all due respect Gustavo, racism abounds on CBB. At least in Off Topic.

[gustavo77]

With all due respect Gustavo, racism abounds on CBB. At least in Off Topic.

Ya it seems to abound in society also...very sad reality...

That said, I apologize to any that i have been offended by some of our member's comments. I will be more diligent from now on in moderating these issues...

[spitfire]

One can always use the "report post" feature if it's really bad.

[gustavo77]

One can always use the "report post" feature if it's really bad.

Yup, that would help!!

[faller]

Some of the boards have instituted a ban policy if religion or politics are discussed... I agree Gus, its a hard call especially if there aren't any board guide lines for you to follow..

[Gib]

We're all adults here (I think). I dont think banning topics of discussion would benefit the community at all. If anything it broadens the community and can help to dispel the meat head stereotype that is all too prevalent on these boards.

And if we're going to play all faggy liberal PC douchebagginess....isnt an intolerance of intolerance, also intolerant?

Oooooh! Im so deep!

Also, where do we draw the line? How many times a day does someone refer to another poster on here as 'gay' or a 'fag'? Is that worth banning?

Freedom of speech should be valued, though not necessarily commended in all instances.

Of course this is a private board, and the owners make the rules.....

[buildinthaskinnys]

Joking about someone being gay is playing, talking about how every regular joe shmoe afghani farmer guy ****s children and cuts peoples heads off for fun is just stupid racism. Thanks to the internet, people with little to no knowledge of world events can make uniformed and unintelligent racist comments and not face reprecussions, not that these comments would ever make it to even to the smallest of local papers as thankfully such opinions are only held by a very small minority of mindless ****s, but what would you think would happen if they did? How long would a Dj last on the radio talking like that? People would call for a linch mob and I would be at the front.

[Beachmuscle]

Well i have given this a ton of thought recently...especially with some of the recent discussion on the board. On one hand, i believe it is important for people to have an arena to express their views and or frustrations and for censorship to be the last resort. On the other, there is a fine line between expression and activism and the only thing we should advocate here on CBB is a healthy lifestyle.

I will wait for MP to give us more feedback on this but i will be watching these threads closely...racism will not be tolerated on CBB.

Thanks for your input Gus.. it's a tough call. Censorship sucks, and everyone on CBB is a close bunch it seems. A good board. A few gay jokes and off the cuff remarks here and there isn't killing anyone, especially when everyone knows they are jokes and are usually between members with rapport.

It's just gotten a little out of hand on some threads with outright hate spewing. A new member of Jewish or Muslim descent might just have a quick look and turn around a leave with disgust... thinking we're all a bunch of racist wackos.

No censorship, just common sense. And you said it right "Advocate a Healthy lifestyle..".. I kinda like that.... healthy with 100me ED of Tren and 100mg ED of Anadrol with 2000mg a week of Test AND Deca.. jk..

[waderow]

inciting hatred is one thing

calling a spade a spade is another.

[#8]

inciting hatred is one thing

calling a spade a spade is another.

Bravo sir!

:welc

[Gib]

"Thanks to the internet, people with little to no knowledge of world events can make uniformed and unintelligent racist comments and not face reprecussions,"

Why should people face repercussions for their personal views and opinions? If you dont like it, provide contrary opinion to change their mind, or dont worry about it and let it go. And its pretty arrogant to say that people with a view contrary to yor own are ignorant and have no knowledge of world events. They may have a different take on them than you do, but that doesnt make them wrong. Opinion is never right or wrong, its someone's personal views, who gives a shit what an anonymous avatar on the internet thinks about something anyway?

Again, anyone who disagrees should comment and engage in intellectual debate. Post your views and any facts you think back it up. Try to change their mind instead of trying to block out any beliefs that you dont subscribe to.

[wrought]

"Thanks to the internet, people with little to no knowledge of world events can make uniformed and unintelligent racist comments and not face reprecussions,"

<SNIP>

Again, anyone who disagrees should comment and engage in intellectual debate. Post your views and any facts you think back it up. Try to change their mind instead of trying to block out any beliefs that you dont subscribe to.

Sorru buddy, you can't debate stupid. :greet

[buildinthaskinnys]

I think everyone has a right to their opinion, whether or not it is even based remotely on fact or not, its called freedom of speech and thats what I am using right now and before.

I was only making a point that some opinions could land you in jail or worse dead, as this has happened before, but thanks to the internet people can hide behind the safety of their computer screen, masked with a veil of anonymity.

There is a large amount of people who live in a vaccum, they seem to think whatever is happening far away will never effect them and therefore cannot reason out why they should care about it.

Little fact for everyone here: Terrorists can be white non-muslims also i.e. Timothy Mcveigh.

I say **** it and listen to the beatles philosophy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzJ2NKp23WU

[BAM]

I feel that I offer my opinions (as kooky as they may seem to some of you) in these political threads in an intelligent fashion.
My apologies to anyone I may have offended. Offending people here was not the intent of my comments.

[kloan]

I'm all for open discussions in every aspect of humanity. I may not agree with certain opinions, but I still respect the right for a person to speak their mind. A little bit of back and forth is pretty harmless as well. Maybe when emotions start to run high it's time to step in and cool things off.

I don't know everything, and certainly don't pretend to... sometimes I'm curious how people come to the beliefs they do and I'd like to hear more about it. At the same time, I firmly believe we only truly know something when we've experienced it for ourselves, and sometimes that seems lost on some people who talk about sensitive subjects.

However, I feel the line should be drawn at hate. When people say "kill them all" and the like, it's unnecessary hatred. The voice of hatred is as loud as ever this day and age, we don't need it echoed here on this forum.

Express your thoughts and beliefs, I have no problems with that. Let's just try to remember that despite the stereotypes and seemingly majority of impressions, there are still human beings being talked about and there should be a little bit of respect kept for that fact.

Blaming an entire race or religion for whatever the flavour of the month happens to be, does nothing to help the situation and speaks volumes for your ignorance.

[faller]

My apologies to anyone I may have offended.

Too late :D

[BAM]

Too late :D

Let me rephrase that, I'm sorry if my words offended anyone, but I'm not sorry for what I said.

[HoliTheCat]

I am all for all discussions here on CBB. If one happens to offend you, or you do not agree with a certain topic. Do not take part or read it.

On that note. I dislike black people.

[HoliTheCat]

Joking of course.

[Gettin'r'round]

I hate assholes of any culture race or creed, if they aren't white then usually I'll stick a racial epithet to said asshole. Does this make me a racist? I am supposed to like all black people for instance, even though I wish all those gang-banging, baby-mama impregnating drug dealing ****s were shot dead? That's an insult to all the hard working black folks who share the same skin color.

Still... why do those in the black "community" seek to protect the lowest life forms of their culture by cries of racism/intolerance? Then on the next hand decry the killings and demand "something be done"???? This shit drives me nuts, I can only imagine what the cops have to put up with.

[waderow]

good point.
why the **** do I have to be tolerant?
the only ones that HAVE to be tolerant are whites. The only ones who punish themselves for being intolerant are whites. All other races can hate as they see fit. And they do.

I do not tolerate that.

[Gettin'r'round]

^ Speaking to the above.

The gabfest that is the current UN conference on racism is one such example of sheer hypocrisy. The west is leaving/boycotting only because of the whole Israel bashing which is MORE hypocrisy given that it's homemade rockets/stones vs F16 and tanks. Anyway most of the nations bashing the west are anything but the racism free paradise on earth they want you to believe. In most countries (other than western states) blacks are on the lowest rung and treated as such. In Cuba for instance black Cubans are treated little more than slaves. In certain African states slavery is still going strong. In C&#244;te d'Ivoire for instance Mali children are sold into slavery at the coco plantations. Saudi Arabia treats it's Indian workforce with such utter comtempt it's sickening. In India the bottom casts (dalits) can only work the most disgusting jobs, or starve.

YET the west gets the blame over and OVER! Britain abolished slavery in the 1700's! American in the 1800's! Yet Obama goes over the Turkey last month and apologizes for American's slave past. He should have admonished the Turks as they abolished slavery only in 1920!

[waderow]

If you had an f-16 and a tank, and someone was shooting homemade rockets and small arms at you, would you just take the moral high ground and let them? or would you bomb the **** out of them?

[spitfire]

YET the west gets the blame over and OVER! Britain abolished slavery in the 1700's! American in the 1800's! Yet Obama goes over the Turkey last month and apologizes for American's slave past. He should have admonished the Turks as they abolished slavery only in 1920!

Amen brother. Amen. The slavery card is so old now it is sickening.

[Beachmuscle]

However, I feel the line should be drawn at hate. When people say "kill them all" and the like, it's unnecessary hatred. The voice of hatred is as loud as ever this day and age, we don't need it echoed here on this forum.

Express your thoughts and beliefs, I have no problems with that. Let's just try to remember that despite the stereotypes and seemingly majority of impressions, there are still human beings being talked about and there should be a little bit of respect kept for that fact.


Well put, I'm all for intelligent discussion. But some posts have crossed that line.