So what's the scoop on jins?

[blimp]

Are they off the market for good?

[RJ*]

seems that way

[mandarb11]

Ya there goes some good gh........

[blimp]

Will anything replace it?

[ergie]

personally I find blue tops just as good as jins, easier on the waller as well.

[srt8]

jins will be around, it's the usa that's gonna be the spot you'll have trouble getting them from.

[Bowlcut]

Was the owner not arrested though?

[7 Scape O'Tech]

i think that's what i heard? Maybe not thoguh....

[D-S]

If Jins go down, another company will start up...they must make a killing...love how they piss off US Pharma!

[TheBigStink]

lol, yes, the owner of gensci who named jintropin after himself has been busted. on an interesting note, he also owns a home in Wisconsin.

[srt8]

few people have been named but actually haven't been arrested as they are in other countries. Gym Mace, Mamta, Gensci off top of head are NOT in jail or haven't been physically arrested. Step foot into the USA though and they'll be anally probed instantly hehe.

[BloodRage]

I think we should all have a hearty laugh at the assholes who counterfeit jintropins now who won't be able to rip people off any longer.

Have fun on garbage day assholes!

[RJ*]

I think we should all have a hearty laugh at the assholes who counterfeit jintropins now who won't be able to rip people off any longer.

Have fun on garbage day assholes!

it will still happen

[srt8]

lmao
just like ****in denkall QV etc.

[gustavo77]

lmao
just like ****in denkall QV etc.

Oh but IP bought the name the QV name didn't he?? LMAO!

[JonnyO]

I been telling people for a long time now, no difference in the Jins and generics. They both work very well.

And I wouldnt hold your breath for Jins anymore either. Even though some of the guys are in other countries, the US has no boundaries and will get whatever they want. And I doubt we'll hear from M**** again.

[BloodRage]

just spoke to THE authority on jins: all is fine; there will be more in the future.

[tony_canuck]

no matter how you cut it, its all crap from the feds trying to make it look like they're saving the world.......from who, i don't know.....people in shape, i guess, are the real enemy.

funny they could do all this but can't find a guy in a cave.......

[Bowlcut]

few people have been named but actually haven't been arrested as they are in other countries. Gym Mace, Mamta, Gensci off top of head are NOT in jail or haven't been physically arrested. Step foot into the USA though and they'll be anally probed instantly hehe.



From what I understand GA, Mamta, and Dr. Gensci were all picked up.

According to one Vet from SSB, GA turned himself in.
I believe Mamta was stateside, or least has been indicted.

[JonnyO]

From what I understand GA, Mamta, and Dr. Gensci were all picked up.

According to one Vet from SSB, GA turned himself in.
I believe Mamta was stateside, or least has been indicted.

I'd stay away from SSB my friend!!!

All their names are on papers but none of them are picked up as of yet.

[Bowlcut]

I'd stay away from SSB my friend!!!

All their names are on papers but none of them are picked up as of yet.

SSB is shut down, but I spoke to this vet on a different board.

We know that the Americans have all been picked up. It only makes sense that those indicted who live in the USA would be nabbed by the DEA. Apparently the Thai's have somebody.

I say we just wait and see what the coming weeks bring.

[AVEC]

Two of those were arrested in the resort area of Phuket, Thailand, and are awaiting extradition in connection with a ring that sourced raw steroid powder in China, had it shipped to underground labs in New Jersey and Washington and then sent it to Internet customers from Las Vegas, according to U.S. Attorney Karen Hewitt..

that IS GA

[AVEC]

Complaint offers window on Chinese drug ring
http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/09/...ids.php?page=2

CHANGCHUN, China: The chief executive of a leading Chinese pharmaceutical company used e-mail aliases, offshore bank accounts and a network of drug traffickers to illegally distribute millions of dollars worth of human growth hormone in the United States, U.S. officials said in a criminal complaint, provided to The New York Times on Wednesday.
A 62-page affidavit by a special agent of the Food and Drug Administration details an extraordinary level of personal involvement in the trafficking and sale of the powerful hormones by Jin Lei, the founder and chief executive of the GeneScience Pharmaceuticals Company, one of China's largest drug makers, based here in Changchun, in northern China.
The affidavit adds intriguing details and a rare look inside a major drug ring and the alleged role of a renowned businessman. It was unsealed Monday, but was not included in an online FDA database until The Times requested and received a copy.
As early as 2004, according to investigators, Jin was smuggling Jintropin, a growth hormone he named after himself, to the United States.
American investigators claim that through the use of various aliases, including Jack Edwards, John and Luis, Jin made deals with middlemen and distributors outside China and also instructed them to wire money to banks in the United States, Panama and China.


GeneScience even sold an insurance program offering to resend any package seized by customs officials, the government says. Investigators also say some of the GeneScience Jintropin drug shipments were labeled as toys, glassware or hair treatment.
In January 2006, a person the FDA has now identified as Jin using an alias wrote to an American customer, warning, "US custom is tighten control, you should stop email directly to gensci anymore and delete all your records."
A secretary who works for Jin, 42, said this week that he was not available for an interview, but colleagues and people who know him say they were surprised that the respected scientist and hard-charging entrepreneur would be caught up in a drug scandal.
"I contacted Jin Lei this morning. He's not sure about the whole thing and can't say anything to the media now," said Zhou Weiqun, board secretary of GeneScience's parent company, Changchun High Tech Group. "We're trying to figure out the situation. But we trust Jin Lei. He has done a lot for our company."
The charges against Jin and GeneScience were part of the largest crackdown in United States history on international trafficking in steroids and other illicit bodybuilding drugs.
On Monday, U.S. authorities said they had arrested 124 people and shut down dozens of crude drug-producing laboratories in a case the authorities called Operation Raw Deal.
U.S. authorities did not release the names of athletes or others who might have been customers of the underground drug makers, but U.S. investigators said they had collected thousands of names and were combing through the database.
Officials from the FDA, Federal Bureau of Investigation, Drug Enforcement Administration and several other U.S. agencies, said China was the primary supplier of the illegal drugs and that 37 Chinese companies, mostly chemical wholesalers, were involved in the illegal drug smuggling, much of it arranged over the Internet.
The revelations come at a difficult time for Chinese authorities. China is already facing mounting pressure to improve the safety and quality of its food, toys and other exports after a series of consumer product safety scandals this year.
With Beijing set to play host to the 2008 Olympic Games, China is also being asked to deliver a drug-free Olympics — at a time when baseball, cycling and other sports have been damaged by doping scandals.
United States investigators named only one Chinese company, GeneScience, which was founded in 1996 by Jin, who graduated from Beijing University in 1985 and earned a Ph.D. in pharmaceutical chemistry from the University of California, San Francisco in 1994.
While studying in California, Jin also worked as a research scientist at Genentech, the American biotech company and one of the world's leading producers of human growth hormones.
On campus, Jin was known as an ambitious graduate student. He earned the university's top prize for his doctoral dissertation on antibodies that bind to human growth hormones.
"He was an energetic student," said James Wells, a professor of pharmaceutical science at the University of California, San Francisco, who taught Jin and worked with him at Genentech. "He was outgoing and aggressive and definitely a man on a mission."
After graduation, Jin told colleagues he wanted to return to China to start his own company and help children by producing human growth hormone.
"When he was leaving he had offers from the top postdoc programs," Professor Wells said. "But he said he was going to start the first biotech company in China."
Soon after returning to China he came to Changchun, an old chemical base here in northeast China, where he formed his own biopharmaceutical company in partnership with a state-owned company called the Changchun High Tech Group.
"Jin Lei always thinks big and has a vision," said Zhou Weiqun, who works at Changchun High Tech. "We invested about $9 million in his company, and now we've made all that money back."
GeneScience built a manufacturing lab in 1997, and a year later introduced its own patented human growth hormone, or HGH, called Jintropin, after Jin.
The company struggled in its early years, but by 2006, GeneScience said it controlled nearly 70 percent of China's market in human growth hormones. The company also boasted that it was China's most profitable pharmaceutical company.
But as early as 2004, according to investigators, Jin was also smuggling his company's Jintropin into the United States.
The company had long boasted that its drug was a kind of cure-all that could enhance sex drive, heal wounds, improve memory and give bodybuilders that "monstrous, freaky size."
"HGH is the Mercedes of bodybuilding supplements," read one Web advertisement for Jintropin. "Another reason Jintropin is so popular is that there is no method today for detection of it in the blood system, which allows drug tested competitors in many sports or bodybuilding to use this product freely without any negative ramifications."
Investigators, however, say the company and Jin pushed the drug too far.
Jin and another person, possibly his secretary, "are involved in a worldwide conspiracy to smuggle HGH from China into other countries, including the United States," Jason Simonian, a special agent for the FDA Office of Criminal Investigation, wrote in the affidavit unsealed this week.
But Zhou at the Changchun High Tech Group said he doubted that Jin was ever involved in the illegal trade. In an interview Thursday, he blamed shady distributors and counterfeiters.
"Between 2004 and 2006, there was a lot of counterfeiting of this drug," he said. "We had a big problem with it. That may be what happened."
Indeed, GeneScience's Web site now warns, "GeneScience don't sell or ship any Jintropin directly or indirectly to USA. Any unauthorized Jintropin appeared in USA should be considered as fake."
But the case against Jin and GeneScience continued to mount into this year. U.S. authorities say they have several informants who have provided incriminating evidence against Jin, who was charged Monday with 16 felony counts of smuggling, trafficking and money laundering.
"We would obviously not be bringing an indictment charging him with these offenses if we did not have evidence that it was him, and we do have that evidence," Adi Goldstein, the assistant United States attorney prosecuting the case, said in a telephone interview Thursday.
Goldstein said United States agencies would contact their Chinese counterparts to "make whatever efforts are legally available to us to bring him to justice in the United States."
The two countries do not have an extradition agreement.
Robert Clark Corrente, the United States attorney for Rhode Island, said in a statement Monday that U.S. agents had seized $3.4 million from the New York branches of two Chinese banks linked to the company.
Three of Jin's alleged distributors or co-conspirators, from California, Shanghai and Slovenia, were also charged in Rhode Island.
Web sites catering to people who use human growth hormone are filled with talk of the case. "Man, bad news for all," someone wrote on steroidsuperboard.com. "I wonder how many are talking and how many of the sources were stupid enough to keep client lists."
Oddly, the Web site of Gene- Science lists as one of its milestones a 1997 visit to the company by Zheng Xiaoyu, the former head of China's food and drug regulatory agency who was executed this year for corruption.

[tony_canuck]

this whole thing sucks donkeys balls!

why don't the feds spend their time and money going after BAD guys!

[AVEC]

this whole thing sucks donkeys balls!

why don't the feds spend their time and money going after BAD guys!

cause then they will have to do some real detective work..

[Mr.Freeze]

this whole thing sucks donkeys balls!

why don't the feds spend their time and money going after BAD guys!

Cuz the top story of the day is drug in sports and not some biker shooting each other!Wanna look good type of guys!