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rickyboy36
14-04-2009, 03:28 PM
I thought id post this up to give an idea to people on how to use MTII properly.I got this from another board and all credit goes to WEAPON the one who wrote it.Here it is:

Definitely do not buy into the crazy dosage charts you can find for MTII on the Internet -- doses that high will only greatly increase the risk of bad sides and they will make you feel like absolute shit when you first start taking it. When I first started taking it the chart said I should be taking something around 3.5-4mg per day. If I would have followed that insane nonsense it would have made me dark and I would have likely had wood 24/7 but I would have also been puking about 15 minutes after every dose and I would have surely gotten some bad hyperpigmentation at some point. All of those charts were based on the very initial test trials for MTII - now, I think people put them up just so they can make more money off selling it. A 10mg vial doesn't go very far if you are using 2-3mg per day but it is dirt cheap and very worthwhile if you take .25-.75mg every other day.

Pre-loading - I think it's bullshit in terms of having to take high doses when you first start it. I have tried several different methods and it takes a few days to get in your system and start working regardless of the dose. I can't tell any real difference during the first week between .5mg and 2mg per day except that 2mg per day has a ton of bad sides you don't want. If anything, start low and work up the dose a little.

If you just want the tanning effect, start with around .25mg-.5mg per day for the first 3-4 days. Then bump it up to .5mg-.75mg per day for another 3-4 days and then get some UV exposure. If you have zero tan (aka white as bleached rice, etc.) do not go crazy with the UV exposure on the first time as you can still burn (trust me) and you will likely shift several shades even with a short visit to a tanning bed as the MTII will have built up in your system at this point and your body will produce an assload of melanin in response to the full body exposure you get in a tanning bed. The first time I tried MTII, I built up the dose a little and then hit a standard tanning bed for about 10-12 minutes. The next morning, I literally stepped back from the bathroom mirror's reflection in surprise as I had shifted several shades darker from head to toe. That brings up another point you need to consider and prepare for -- this stuff ain't subtle. Everyone will notice that something about your appearance has changed bigtime so you might want to think up a cover story in advance. "I just got back from the islands..." it's nice and oddly vague enough to where most will buy it...if they ask which islands, make up one up for the hell of it. lolz.

After you get the color you want, you can maintain it with very little UV exposure and .25-.5mg of MTII every third day.

Using MTII for the super wood effect.
MTII does not produce wood like the ED drugs on the market -- they increase blood flow to the hardware which in turn produces the erection. MTII works on the area of the brain that makes you horny which then leads to an erection. Unlike the usual ED drugs, it has a dual effect -- it gives you wood and it gives you a strong desire to put it to use. This is why MTII and PT141 increase libido in men as well as women. My sometimes-significant-other :) wanted to get a bit darker last year and she wanted to try MTII after she saw my results. Okay, I admit it - I told her she was looking a little pale a couple of times so she would try MTII. I wanted to get laid more often and she looks ****ing unbelievably hot when she is a bit darker so it sounded like a plan. In my defense, I was on slightly higher than normal MTII doses at the time and more sex always sounds like a good deal when you have oak-grade wood that will not fricken go away 5 times a day.

Anyway, she started out on basically the dose I listed above for tanning (which has a more profound effect on women due to lower body mass). By the end of the second week, I started telling her she was getting a bit too dark. Tranlation: I needed some time off for my hardware to recover. Holy hell does it ever work on women.

For men, the libido effect is a little unpredicable. Of course, it only becomes more unpredictable when you try to factor in all the other stuff most of us are taking. By unpredictable, I don't mean to say that it might not give you wood or that it might not make you horny when you take it -- it is a matter of what dose will cause how much wood and how much is it going to kick up your sex drive. Literally everyone I know that has taken it has commented on the boost in sex drive. It is unpredictable in that some have a crazy effect from really low doses where others need a bit more for the sex overdrive effect. So, this will be a list of best guess dosages for the sex drive effect. For the higher dosages, do not try them until you have been on MTII for 2-3 weeks and your body is used to it (or it will probably make you feel like shit). Also, these doses are mainly based on my experience with MTII -- so, you should assume that there is some test and a few other goodies in the mix that also had some effect.

.25-.5mg per day - This will likely produce a distinct increase in sex drive and wood (MTII wood can put even test boners to shame)

.5-.75mg per day - a very obvious increase in sex drive and spontaneous wood throughout the day and night (warm breeze = wood). Morning wood will stick around until you have gotten out of bed, showered and shaved, brushed your teeth, etc. I was on the way to work one day hoping the damn thing would go away before I got to court..."please excuse the wood your honor, I am ready to proceed with my case..." MTII can be dangerous if you have to wear a suit to work and stand in front of lots of people.

.75-1.5 mg per day. You are a horny bastard that looks like he spends all day at the beach 24/7/365. Wood rating is solid oak and I am not joking. Doses at this level produce wood that could drive nails into walls. Since this forum is dedicated to penis enlargement :mrgreen: this is worth noting -- when I tried running it at this level along with my usual Test E doses, she accused me of having something done to make it bigger one night after we had sex. Being the smart ass that I am, I accused her of having a vaginal lift and trying to cover for herself. Now, I am not going to claim that it actually makes your hardware larger but to the woman on the receiving end, harder is apparently tranlated as larger. When that comes from a person you have had sex with a helluva lot it is the defining characteristic of having achieved truly high-grade wood on the next level.

1.5mg per day and larger doses. After a couple weeks at this dose, you will likely be darker than Barrack Obama and you will have the sex drive of a drunken howler monkey. If you have a consistent girlfriend, you will drive her insane as somehow, every conversation ends up with you trying to drag her into bed for sex. Looking at ribeyes at the grocery store will cause spontaneous wood even if you stand right next to the cooler so you have cold air action right below waist level.
Wood rating: Piratinera guianensis aka Snakewood (appropriate name and alleged to be the hardest wood in the world with a specific gravity of 1.30)

Important note of caution: If you are running MTII and you are on a nice test cycle...don't even look at a viagra or the like...put down the box of cialis and slowly back away. If you take viagra or cialis with MTII and test you stand a good chance of having to go to the hospital due to having an erection that has painfully lasted more than 4-5 hours. Nothing will get rid of this chemically-created Frankenstein's monster - cold water, ice packs, pictures of Rosie O'Donnell naked? It does not care -- it is a rock and has no intention of being anything else. I have no doubt that you could put your junk at risk of permanent damage with this combo - do not go there.

Possible negative sides (apart from dick damage as a result of everlasting wood):
Hyperpigmentation - usually presents itself in the form of really dark freckles. Lactic acid can fix those if they annoy you. Some people actually get moles from MTII - again, those can be removed but you can usually avoid this all together with lower doses. If you plan of hitting the tanning bed, get some lipbalm with sunscreen - you can tan and get freckles on your lips if you don't put sunscreen on them.

Change in hair color - nope, I'm not joking. MTII is strong stuff. All most all of the hair on my body turned jet black when I tried running MTII at higher doses. On the bright side, I had a couple gray hairs shifted back to dark brown. The girl that cuts my hair noticed it one day -- I had a couple here and there that were gray on the ends but dark brown near the scalp -- very observant of her to notice...and I thought she just had a hot body with a nice rack. shame on me.

Change in eye color - i have never had this happen but there are a few reports of it -- I would think the dose would have to be really really high to cause this one.

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After typing out and posting my original response, I realized that there were likely a few minor points that I didn't think to mention.

Even at low initial doses, it might make you feel like you have a mild cold for a couple days the first time you take it. I never got this effect but I have seen a few mention it. Lower initial doses are much better than the usual dosage chart recommendations of 2-3mg which will make you feel like you have a bad case of the stomach flu or some type of food poisoning.

What to expect on your first dose: the flush and wood effect. Almost everyone (likely 99.9998%) of people get this effect the first time they take MTII. You pin and about 5-10 minutes later you will get facial flushing and some upper body flushing (kind of like taking too much niacin) but it is usually only felt as being a bit warm without the pins and needles effect that comes with a slight niacin overdose -- you will be red-faced as hell (the Hellboy look) but it goes away pretty quickly...spontaneous wood will follow shortly thereafter, hence, the flush and wood effect naming convention.

Effect on overall mood. There is some research to support this and a ton of posts on various forums from a helluva lot of people that claim it is true. I have noticed that I tend to be a bit more positive when I am on MTII -- I have never noticed a crash effect of any type including depression or really bad moods when I stopped taking it. This can be a nice addition to any cycle and workout plan -- it's easier to stay motivated and get your ass to the gym when you wake up with a positive outlook on the day. (unless of couse there is a woman in bed with you when you wake up...you will wake up with MTII wood that demands immediate use...she is right there next to you...you will not make it to the gym that morning but you will get in some decent cardio).

Decreased appetite - this is usually fairly short lived. Maybe only a couple weeks and it is not overly profound. It can tone down the desire to eat everything in the house that sometimes pops up with gh or deca but it will not make you unable to eat when you want.

Storage - keep this stuff cold even if it has not been reconstituted. Some people freeze it (even after recon) and they claim it still works when thawed but the idea of freezing a peptide bothers me for some reason. The top shelf of the refrigerator in one of the back corners is good enough and you don't have to wait for it to thaw out before you use it. I normally try to stock up on it in winter so it doesn't get cooked in the back of a delivery truck but the stuff I have gotten during the summer months always seems to work well enough.

Recon - MTII should be reconstituted with benzyl alcohol type bacteriostatic water (plastic vial, usually a purple-pinkish label -- you all probably already have this in the frige for gh). If you recon with NACL, it can damage the peptide -- specifically, it seems to leave the tan but kill the wood effect. If you want to tone down the wood, it might be possible to mix a small amount of NACL water with MTII and then complete the recon with the usual bacteriostatic water. I have never tried this but some claim it works. Once again, keep it cold whether it is in powder or liquid form. The process for recon is the same as for gh -- watch out for the vacuum in the vial as it will sometime be enough to pull the syringe plunger down quickly causing a jet stream of water to hit the powder when you want to let the water trickle down the side slowly so it doesn't damage the peptide. Also, no shaking this stuff to mix it before, during or after recon. Gently roll it around between your fingers a little to mix it but no shaky shaky. Also, I like to add 2ml of bac water to a standard 10mg vial of MTII so it is easier to tweak the dosages when using a slin pin -- the 20 mark on a 1cc/ml slin pin will be 1mg of MTII if you use ~2ml. I have tried recon with 1ml of bac water but it seems to be a little too concentrated as it sometimes leaves the injection site itchy as hell for an hour or so.

Possibly multiple orgasms for men?? Usually, the damper on going for more than one in the same session is the loss of wood post orgasm which requires at least a short breather before going in for round 2. This is often not the case when on MTII at doses of 1mg or greater. You knock out the first round and the wood is still there and ready to go...sometimes you have to say what the hell and just keep going. This confuses the hell out of women..."Didn't he just blow a minute ago? I know I felt it...but he's not stopping...and he is still hard as hell??" Yes, she will be confused the first time you do this...if she asks about it, tell her she's that hot. :D

Note on the wood effect and dosage levels: if you want to stay with fairly low doses (to control the overzealous wood effect but still stay tan) you can take a booster dose if you plan on having a hot date and you want to leave her with a lasting, positive, sexual impression. :shock: About an hour before you get her in the sack, pin about 1-1.5mg of MTII (note: this plan is not for MTII beginners). The mega-wood should kick in at just about the right time. Bonus wood: if she crashes at your place, you will get wood the next morning on par with the mega wood from the night before and can give her a second round as vigorous as the first. She will later devote an entire entry in her journal to the super-sexing you gave her and she may even have your name tattooed on her ass. trust me...it works. Caveat: if you have a few drinks, beer nuts and MTII wood is a dangerous combo -- you might break something. Caveat #2: if you take the extra dose and she cold shoulders your ass you may wind up with an advanced version of blue balls which is roughly navy balls and possibly deep purple balls. A backup plan in the form of a 1am booty call is likely a smart move. This is just a minor accuracy problem though -- you'll end up with your name in some other woman's journal entry and possibly with your name tattoed on the ass of someone other than that of the intended target. In the overall scheme of things, you still get reputation points and the women that go for a 1am booty call tend to hang in groups and talk about sex with one another. Other booty call candidates will likely track you down after hearing tales of your MTII-enhanced sexual prowess. Again, trust me...it happens.

Preemptive response to the age old question: "But isn't UV exposure and tanning really bad for you?" Yes and no. If you are fair skinned and you get burned on a regular basis in an attempt to add some color to your lily-white ass, you are likely ****ing yourself up nicely. However, the best defense against skin cancer, apart from living in a lead box, is built into your body in the form of melanin and the tanning mechanism. That is why researchers at the University of Arizona went to the trouble to develop this stuff in the first place -- they are in the middle of a desert and they see tons of skin cancer as a result of it. So, they figured out how to make the body produce higher amounts of melanin in response to light UV exposure and even no UV exposure -- that melanin can save your ass if you ever have to spend a day or two in the sun and it does miracles for people who have to work outdoors in those conditions. According to the studies conducted in the UK on Melanotan II, it reduces UV damage from extended UV exposure to the skin by at least 50% -- think about that in terms of people who have to work outdoors -- less than half the UV damage they would normally get over the course of their working career if they used MTII.

Weird effects - there is some debate on this point and I have noticed it but there are a number of alternative explanations which are also possible -- it whitens your teeth. eh? lol...seriously, you may notice this when you first start taking it. Obviously, they will look whiter when the tan effect kicks in (as the whiteness is playing against a nicely tanned and contrasting skin background) but sometimes it seems to make your teeth whiter before you ever get any UV exposure or take enough to make your skin darker. I thought I was imagining this until I saw others post about it here and there. It can darken skin, darken hair and may whiten teeth to some degree. Such a suggestion would likely irritate my dentist as he is always try to push his expensive laser teeth whitening procedure on people but he doesn't get to piss on my MTII parade. MTII produces tan + wood so the dentist can STFU about my theory that MTII seems to make my teeth whiter than usual. On the other hand, his brunette assistant gives me wood but it doesn't last nearly as long as that gained from MTII so she can stfu as well... :mrgreen:

EDIT: This is something I have noticed and really didn't expect - when you get a really mean tan people respond to you very differently and it is not always in a positive way. Some take it as evidence that you are a beach bum slacker type that does not do much -- dead serious, I've gotten that attitude from people. Others get a bit jealous and start accusing you of all sort of nonsense like airbrush tanning etc. (especially when you do your initial shift to five shades darker over night) It's too bad for them that my cheating methods are much more high speed than any of the shit they know about and there are no tell-tale traces of my chemical enhancement (i.e. no unnatural staining any where, no freaky looking palms, no tan lines, no nothing)...and the no tan lines part reminds me of another interesting perk of MTII - granted, I have been on it for sometime but when I go out in the sun, I don't get tan lines. eh? you got it -- if I wear a shirt, hat and shorts and only my arms, face and legs get UV exposure, my skin still responds all over and I get darker all over -- no tan lines...yes, this stuff is the supreme god of all tanning products. On the positive side, it seems that most women that fall into the category of those I'd would like to hop in the sack with really like the tan. Balance those out for a second -- morons that have a negative reaction to the tan vs. positive response from hotties. I use MTII, I get tan, very attractive women approve of the tan...I order more and continue to use MTII. B.F. Skinner was right about all of that positive reinforcement business - the tan wins.

Yet another bonus for those on cycle. Well, at least I am going to call it a bonus because I love the hell out of it. I've found that when I am on cycle and running MTII along with it, I get an unusual effect from stretching. Not really so much from stretching particular muscle groups but from something along the lines of that all-over head to toe stretch and semi-yawn you have to do when you first wake up from a solid post workout nap and you're still laying on the couch -- maybe it is just the combo I am on but that stretch has become a semi-orgasmic event -- feels ****ing wonderful all-over and that is not an exaggeration in any way, shape or form. I have now heard more than once that I make more noise during that extended stretch than I do during sex. lolz. she might be right because it is almost an ecstasy drug type of euphoria that lasts for 15-30 seconds. fun stuff.

Beachmuscle
14-04-2009, 08:32 PM
Wicked post, he summed it all up! :)

rickyboy36
14-04-2009, 08:41 PM
Yes he did!Seeing Canadian med supplies might be getting some i figured id post up a protocol and explain it to help the bros out here who know very little about the peptide.As we all know this is for research purposes only

Beachmuscle
14-04-2009, 11:47 PM
Yes he did!Seeing Canadian med supplies might be getting some i figured id post up a protocol and explain it to help the bros out here who know very little about the peptide.As we all know this is for research purposes only

Really, looks like I know who I'll be getting my Melanotan II from in the future. Canadian Med Supplies are top notch guys!

I'll have to change my sig I guess soon.. lol

melanotan
15-04-2009, 04:51 AM
According to the studies conducted in the UK on Melanotan II, it reduces UV damage from extended UV exposure to the skin by at least 50% -- think about that in terms of people who have to work outdoors -- less than half the UV damage they would normally get over the course of their working career if they used MTII.

This is inaccurate. Melanotan II has only been through a few clinical trials in Arizona primarily for it's effect against erectile / sexual dysfunction.

What WEAPON would be referring to here was a study with the related (but different) drug melanotan-1 conducted in Australia in 2003. This study was published online in 2006 by the Journal of Investigative Dermatology, volume 126, pages 1869–1878 (http://www.nature.com/jid/journal/v126/n8/full/5700317a.html).

deleteduser0001
15-04-2009, 11:02 AM
This is inaccurate. Melanotan II has only been through a few clinical trials in Arizona primarily for it's effect against erectile / sexual dysfunction.

What WEAPON would be referring to here was a study with the related (but different) drug melanotan-1 conducted in Australia in 2003. This study was published online in 2006 by the Journal of Investigative Dermatology, volume 126, pages 1869–1878 (http://www.nature.com/jid/journal/v126/n8/full/5700317a.html).

and protecting against UV at about 50% is about right for ANY tan as thats the nominal SPF of 2 that a tan naturally provides. So in reality, its only helpful if you can't naturally tan.

melanotan
15-04-2009, 11:33 AM
and protecting against UV at about 50% is about right for ANY tan as thats the nominal SPF of 2 that a tan naturally provides. So in reality, its only helpful if you can't naturally tan.

No, this statement is inaccurate as well. Melanotan-1 pigmented skin was clinically demonstrated to have a reduction in actual skin damage by as much as 50% in trial subjects who had been expressly exposed to 2 and 3 times the UV MED (essentially 1 MED=sunburn level).

nisser
15-04-2009, 11:45 AM
Yup, their dosing regiments are outright insane. I haven't tried it but will start in about a month once I get a decent base tan and will prolly go 0.2mg EOD to begin with.

Praetorian
15-04-2009, 02:02 PM
Dont go by the dosing chart. I am 275lbs and dont tan all that well. I started at .5mg ED and by day three i was up to 1mg ED. In one week i had a very nice tan and people were asking if id been on vacation. I backed off to 1mg EOD and was still getting darker so now Im on maintenance 1mg every 5-7 days. Ive been to the tanning booth once per week since starting.
I did get fluched after the first dose and frequent erections...although my joints did start to ache a bit...mostly knees.
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Kronis
15-04-2009, 03:40 PM
Hmmm, if these lower doses work I may have to pick some up.

There was no way I was going to be taking 4mg a day.

I'll wait till Physique has it so I can support a sponsor.

Beachmuscle
14-05-2009, 12:07 AM
0.5mg everyday works well for me.... gives me a great tan without tanning after only 10mg.. one vial. I get asked as well where I just came back from.

After that it is just maintenance dosing.

And yeah, the bonus on erection function is great for all night **** a thons.

Kronis
14-05-2009, 02:52 AM
Since it's a peptide would it be relatively clear (legal) to buy import from china?

Houstonbc
14-05-2009, 03:58 AM
^^support the board sponsor!

Kronis
14-05-2009, 05:29 AM
^^support the board sponsor!

??? Who carries MT2 now?

rickyboy36
14-05-2009, 09:47 AM
??? Who carries MT2 now?

Bro its suppose to be the board sponsor here(physique)but hasnt received it yet..