Newbie advice required please

[hatescheese]

Hey Guys,

I am starting a cycle tomorrow and was wonder if i could get some advice on how to go about it. I apologize in advance if am i breaking any rules, i couldn't find the rule section.

Stats:
Age: 36
weight: 240
Winstorl 25 x 2 (50 caps)
Sustanon 250 x 2 (10mg)

What i was planning on doing is taking 2 caps a day for 50 days (maybe buy more if needed) then throwing in the 2cc of the 250 every 4 days until its done. I'm not sure if this is the right way to go about it so any advice or pointing to some resources would be great.

Thanks a lot for any advice.

[BritishColumbian]

do you really hate cheese?
what is your BF % ?
how tall are you?

[rickyboy36]

Hey Guys,

I am starting a cycle tomorrow and was wonder if i could get some advice on how to go about it. I apologize in advance if am i breaking any rules, i couldn't find the rule section.

Stats:
Age: 36
weight: 240
Winstorl 25 x 2 (50 caps)
Sustanon 250 x 2 (10mg)

What i was planning on doing is taking 2 caps a day for 50 days (maybe buy more if needed) then throwing in the 2cc of the 250 every 4 days until its done. I'm not sure if this is the right way to go about it so any advice or pointing to some resources would be great.

Thanks a lot for any advice.

To be honest with you ive always hated Sustanon.Too many different esters that play with blood levels.But if you insist that regimine woud be fine although your cycle wouldnt las t too long.Remeber you have long esters in there as well.Id try to run that sucker at least 8-10 weeks.This is how i would do it:

w1-10:1cc on monday..1cc on thursday
w1-7 50mgs of winny ED
w12-15 PCT

[Staffie111]

If your running sust , you should pin at least EOD.

[hatescheese]

Actually its more of a love hate relationship with cheese. I'm 6'3, i am not sure about my BF% i am getting that done on wed. I would put it at around 25%. I've never done sust before, and it was the only thing i could get :(. What is PCT?

Thanks for all the quick replys to

[OrangePeel]

If your running sust , you should pin at least EOD.

Yeah, if you want to keep your propionate levels stable...but what you say sounds okay, but am assuming you have 250mg/ml sus, and 25mg Winstrol caps....
Sus @ 500mg/wk 10 weeks
Winstrol @ 50mg/day 6 weeks
run winstrol on end of cycle, last 6 weeks. Pct with nolva @ 40mg/day first week, then three following weeks @ 20mg/day.

OPeel

[canadianmuscle0803]

If your running sust , you should pin at least EOD.

agreed totally.. you only have 10ml of sustanon?? when you run out of that run some cyp or ena.. every monday morning and thursday night.. next time you plan a cycle make sure you make a post like this in advance not just a day before you first injection..

[OrangePeel]

PCT is Post Cycle Therapy, google for easy answer. Research proper AAS cycling for PCT protocols.

[canadianmuscle0803]

Actually its more of a love hate relationship with cheese. I'm 6'3, i am not sure about my BF% i am getting that done on wed. I would put it at around 25%. I've never done sust before, and it was the only thing i could get :(. What is PCT?

Thanks for all the quick replys to

25% is really high and not healthy, what does your cadio routine and diet look like?

[hatescheese]

Yeah OPeel i have that exactly, 2 bottles of each. I got a diet plan from the nutritionist at my gym that i started on last week, and I have been doing a lot cardio over the past month. I do spin classes in the mornings on mon, wed. I swim laps tues, thur morning and run on friday. For weights i have do a body part a day late afternoons.

[OrangePeel]

Would you care if you posted this diet? Am interested as this is what was holding me back from getting leaner, until recently started tweaking my diet. I figure if I get diet 100%, the rest should be easy. Good luck.:friday

[rickyboy36]

Yeah, if you want to keep your propionate levels stable...but what you say sounds okay, but am assuming you have 250mg/ml sus, and 25mg Winstrol caps....
Sus @ 500mg/wk 10 weeks
Winstrol @ 50mg/day 6 weeks
run winstrol on end of cycle, last 6 weeks. Pct with nolva @ 40mg/day first week, then three following weeks @ 20mg/day.

OPeel
I agree totaly seeing that he doesnt have enough.He could also do 1cc twice a week as well as i first proposed.The only i would change is the winny--Id put it in the begiining to kickstart it..but to each their own i guess:)

[BritishColumbian]

seeing how this is your first cycle, I would just run the test only and get one or 2 more jars of it and go for at least a 12 week run @ .75cc eod. JMO

[BritishColumbian]

you really should drop your bf 5% before starting.
Dont start your cycle until you have EVERY compund on hand espesially PCT

[ezturbo]

Actually its more of a love hate relationship with cheese. I'm 6'3, i am not sure about my BF% i am getting that done on wed. I would put it at around 25%. I've never done sust before, and it was the only thing i could get :(. What is PCT?

Thanks for all the quick replys to


YOO. You do not need to hit the sauce. You can make that bf go down in diet alone. Check out Dave Palumbos cutting diet. Get yourself down to 15-18%, then you can start bulking(maybe some gear). Winny is going to do absolutly sweet **** all for you except give you sore joints, unless your below 8% BF. Like I said, cut down, and hit some test and an androgen (dbol, drol) in 3 months. It will be a quick 3 months, just train ****ing hard and eat right. Lots of Cardio. Rice. Oatmeal. Shakes. Chicken. No sandwiches. Consitantancy will be what helps you succeed. I honestly think if you juice now, your going to have a harder time loosing the body fat and weight then if you just cut down first. And read the information all over these boards. They sure ****in helped me man, there is alot here.

You need to know what PCT is bro. Noone should have to tell you that. It is more important then the cycle alone to keep what you earn. Dont **** around with this shit, read up man, lots and lots of reading.

[Iwant2Grow]

not try to shoot you down but it

Scares me that your going to touch juice and you don't even know what pct is....
are you prepared for the other side effects from sust/test.....

research man research you got to be careful....

honestly put the gear down till you have at least given you diet a couple months to adjust too .. i'm sure it will make huge change you as 95% of what we do is diet IMO..

once you have got you diet down pat and your really understand your training and what works for you you will be able to supplement your growth with AAS

[SmallieBigs]

EZ and Iwanttogrow have got it right for sure brah.... Give that diet some time, and get your training under your belt for a while... get that body fat down to at least 18% (should go even lowet though)... If you eat and train right for a couple months 1st, you'd be amazed what you can do without the sauce...

We're not tryin' to be jerks or know-it-alls brah, just don't wanna see someone get into something they may not be ready for... some of the estrogen related sides may hit you even worse at your bf%, and if you don't know what pct is, then you probably don't know how to deal with gyno (or any other issues) if it creeps up...

If you have any questions, feel free to ask (regarding gear, nutrition, training.... whatever....)... we're all here to help one another...

welcome to the board as well mang!

[Dozer1980]

sorry to be another pain in the ass but these guys know their shit and personally i would wait till you lean down a bit and do alot more research pct IMO is more important than the sauce, and Diet and training are definatly more important id wait till you get it all in check and have everything you need on hand with the long esters in sus if you get sides they wont go away over night especially if you dont have anything on hand to combat them.

[PdH]

The above posts are full of wisdom. Gear is not a short cut. It's a stepping stone at the TOP of the staircase.

[hatescheese]

Hey Thanks for all the great advice guys this is perfect!!! So I didn't start today, it seems i was really unprepared lol. I'm going get back into shape and do some more research before i start, i'll set my start goal for after the summer. Hey OPeel, ill get some high res scans of the diet plan at my office tomorrow and post them.

Thanks again

[tex]

smart man! glad to hear it bro....you will be happy that you waited.....

[BritishColumbian]

that was great. I am not used to seeing this from a newb. EXELLENT!

[SmallieBigs]

^^^^^^

Ya, good on you for waiting bro... we're definately not used to newbies takin' that kind of advice.

This board is a great tool and source for information, feel free to ask questions... lots of knowledgeable guys and girls here... best of luck in your endeavours

[Solo59]

If your running sust , you should pin at least EOD.

Nah. Too little prop to bother with that.

Solo

[theboss]

Nah. Too little prop to bother with that.

Solo


totally disagree with that. it should be ran EOD for best results.

[theboss]

Actually its more of a love hate relationship with cheese. I'm 6'3, i am not sure about my BF% i am getting that done on wed. I would put it at around 25%. I've never done sust before, and it was the only thing i could get :(. What is PCT?

Thanks for all the quick replys to


if you are @ 25% BF...you need a good diet BEFORE using AAS........