Go Big or Go Home- My Next Cycle in 2 months

[canadianmuscle0803]

I will take any opinions on this cycle, im goin big in 2 months time, my buddy will be training for the Canada's so I will be training with him for a big 6 month bulker.. so far i have this in mind

600mg test E EOD
200mg tren E EOD
300mg deca EOD
500mcgs caber EOD
1mg arimidex EOD
40mg nolva EOD (for cholesterol)
50mg proviron ED

first 4 weeks 150mg anadrol ED

8iu GH/PWO 4iu GH sat/sun
10iu humalog PWO

yes these doses are crazy, but so am I..

[phatkid77]

pics pics!! lol

**** reading i thought, not bad, then saw EOD...lol..should be good bro

shit, just read the abombs,....LOL

id love to see before and afters... i would love to run 8iu GH PWO...for 8 minths....unfortunately $$$$$ issue...

good luck

[SmallieBigs]

Ya... ummmmm..... i guess if you're just lookin' to cut a little, and maintain....

[canadianmuscle0803]

pics pics!! lol

**** reading i thought, not bad, then saw EOD...lol..should be good bro

shit, just read the abombs,....LOL

id love to see before and afters... i would love to run 8iu GH PWO...for 8 minths....unfortunately $$$$$ issue...

good luck

ill post before and afters.. let me wait another 2 monts for my before pics though so its more accurate for you.

[canadianmuscle0803]

Ya... ummmmm..... i guess if you're just lookin' to cut a little, and maintain....

lol, i want to add 20lbs of muscle to my frame in 6 months. possible?

[monkey]

EOD?? You trying to kill yourself?? lol
Damm, thats a stiff dose... respect if u can handle the sides of that much tren. Good luck

[canadianmuscle0803]

EOD?? You trying to kill yourself?? lol
Damm, thats a stiff dose... respect if u can handle the sides of that much tren. Good luck

i might drop the tren to 150 EOD, with a long acting tren like E, some of the compound gets wasted through the long acting ester, so in reality its about 600mg/week of tren.. not that high if you ask me.

[SmallieBigs]

20 lbs.?? idk... you're pretty big i know, but i think i'd put on 20 in about 2 weeks on those doses if i could possibly eat enough... lol

[canadianmuscle0803]

20 lbs.?? idk... you're pretty big i know, but i think i'd put on 20 in about 2 weeks on those doses if i could possibly eat enough... lol

20lbs in 2 weeks yes, but how much would that be in water, probably 90%

[St]

The only problem i have is you don't need Anadrol,or any orals,but T-bol would be a better pick,just got to worry about you HDL,mine is at .3
Just from 1 bottle of winny,and 1 bottle on vars,by s.a. and that is just in 34 days.
Gh still think all you need is 6iu ed,but its you life if you want to take 8 iu ed and have the coin,don't think it will make any difference in Gains.

[Jmany]

i mean, im not expert on taking 4 grams of AAS a week, but uhm im guessing/hoping your already 250 pounds with a crazy build..?
no turning back after that cycle ha... no other cycles will feel the same.. and yea clearly your gonna be cruising after ha im not even gonna be an idiot here and ask pct

[canadianmuscle0803]

The only problem i have is you don't need Anadrol,or any orals,but T-bol would be a better pick,just got to worry about you HDL,mine is at .3
Just from 1 bottle of winny,and 1 bottle on vars,by s.a. and that is just in 34 days.
Gh still think all you need is 6iu ed,but its you life if you want to take 8 iu ed and have the coin,don't think it will make any difference in Gains.

maybe ill drop the orals.. your right.. i just wanted a kick start.. as for GH.. i will be using the real hygetropin and it comes in 8iu vials.. so its easier to just pump the whole thing in at once.

[Jmany]

20lbs in 2 weeks yes, but how much would that be in water, probably 90%

this is very true.. way too many people get caught up on what the scale says...

good luck bro, i would really like to know how your feeling after a few weeks lol, but that is a very bad ass cycle

[St]

maybe ill drop the orals.. your right.. i just wanted a kick start.. as for GH.. i will be using the real hygetropin and it comes in 8iu vials.. so its easier to just pump the whole thing in at once.


I really hope you don't take the orals,been in the sport for 20years,and at age 37 with Bad hdl,it not worth it,if you want to be in the sport for 30 year.
As for GH i know the stuff makes you feel great,i just can't handle the carpel at 4 iu so it doesn't become fun once you have wrist pain and can't sleep well at night.

[phatkid77]

orals (all ?) permanently **** HDL...WHAT to take to avoid this>

phats

[SmallieBigs]

[QUOTE=Jmany;176414]this is very true.. way too many people get caught up on what the scale says...


I was joking about the 20 lbs. in 2 weeks... just 'cause it's a shitload of gear, especially for a guy who just got into gear in the past year.... anywho....

[Jmany]

wow ha for real just the past year? not askin for flames here but after a year to be up to a cycle like this kinda makes me wonder

[hyperlite32]

Crazy cycle. Awsome cycle. I would love to run somthing like this... BUT,I cant afford it, I would have to live at the gym too.

I would add in 10iu slin PWO, and add in 25-50mcg of T3 per day, to help with thyriod suppression from the GH.

If you add the above 2 items, you will be running all the hormones in the body. Hell, why not throw in some IGF-1 for good measure.

Start a log of this with Before pics, training and diet info and how all the drugs are working. How you feel, strenght, SIDES, ect...

[SmallieBigs]

I'm not... canadianmuscle is... c'mon pay attention... j/k lol....

i'm lookin' at a lot less (check the thread right near this one "tren dose")....

so no need to wonder mang... was just makin' light of the huge amount of gear HE plans on using....

friends?

[SmallieBigs]

Start a log of this with Before pics, training and diet info and how all the drugs are working. How you feel, strenght, SIDES, ect...[/QUOTE]

^^^^^
agreed!!! gonna be lookin' to subscribe to that one fo sho!!

[Jmany]

haha friends you bet bro, yea i seen your other thread that looks like its gonna be a fun time for you

and X2 i wanna hear about this, i know i start having violent wierd dreams at waaay lower doses

[St]

orals (all ?) permanently **** HDL...WHAT to take to avoid this>

phats

You can take Nolva,and i'm on it but guess it hasen't helped much,but in the book it talks how it will help,i have been take EFA's since 1996.

[tex]

^^ your prob with lipids could be genetic as well.....

[dinosaur]

2000mg of Test per week, that's my only suggestion.

Otherwise, that's f'n sweet CM.

[canadianmuscle0803]

wow ha for real just the past year? not askin for flames here but after a year to be up to a cycle like this kinda makes me wonder

he was talking about himself, i have been doing steroids for 7 yrs.

[SmallieBigs]

Don't worry CM... we got this straightened out already.... and we are now friends.... :)

[canadianmuscle0803]

someone said to add slin, iam doing slin 10iu PWO working my way up to 15iu PWO.. IGF is useless i wont be adding that to my cycle..

also i forgot to mention. 50mg of proviron daily on that cycle as well.

[Blitz-Test]

I dont know I think this is just overkill... To much pour over... I dont know if you are relying on steriods, but steroids are enhancements to diet and exercise....

This is way to much juice, half the dose would give the same benefits...

[Kronis]

Are you doing the Nationals?

4grams(5 including the drol)/week scares me haha.

[canadianmuscle0803]

I dont know I think this is just overkill... To much pour over... I dont know if you are relying on steriods, but steroids are enhancements to diet and exercise....

This is way to much juice, half the dose would give the same benefits...

do you honestly believe someone taking half this dose can gain just as much muscle as someone taking the proposed cycle? come on man. I know anabolics are only an aid to training and nutrition, consider this cycle more aid :)

[canadianmuscle0803]

Are you doing the Nationals?

4grams(5 including the drol)/week scares me haha.

I have no interest in competing at this moment in time, i just do this for a lifestyle and clearly I want to get as big as humanly possible.

[Blitz-Test]

do you honestly believe someone taking half this dose can gain just as much muscle as someone taking the proposed cycle? come on man. I know anabolics are only an aid to training and nutrition, consider this cycle more aid :)

Honestly I do, i think this cycle is overpoor and I think 1/2 the dose will give 90-100% of the gains

[O-Train]

How old are you? Any idea what your diet will be like?

[Big D]

good luck man

[canadianmuscle0803]

How old are you? Any idea what your diet will be like?

ill be 28 when i start this cycle

diet will be a ton of food but clean food, flank steak, rice, fish, rice, sweet potatoes etc.

[OntariOMuscle101]

All I got to say is good luck on your big bulker, As for the dosages who better knows your body than you, you alone ONLY knows this, if it makes sense to you then go big or go HOME, especially if your trying"to get as big as humaly possible". Definately going to be following your progress. Good Luck Bro...

[bmorlock]

nice cycle bro

[tex]

looks wicked....no way i could handle that....keep us updated when you start this shit.....

[ezturbo]

All I got to say is good luck on your big bulker, As for the dosages who better knows your body than you, you alone ONLY knows this, if it makes sense to you then go big or go HOME, especially if your trying"to get as big as humaly possible". Definately going to be following your progress. Good Luck Bro...

X2

[z83]

That's a crazy cycle for sure :D
With enough money, I would run 15-20IU of GH and less tren.

[kloan]

http://www.steroid-abuse.org/ :a+

Yeah man.. those doses are crazy.

Why are you doing enanthate every other day anyway? Why not just use prop and ace.. that way if it's too much you can lower your doses.

I'm eager to see what (if any - which I'm sure there will be) side effects you're going to experience with such high doses.

How much do you weigh?

[theboss]

interesting....pretty heavy cycle.....post your current stats & what was your last cycle?

[Mr.Meat]

Ever considered running NPP instead of Deca?

Also you're about to run 3 progestins: tren, deca, anadrol... I hope you have previous expreiance running all 3 in high dosages at the same time since you may run into gyno issues.

Otherwise it looks purdy. Wish I could afford GH at that dose or any dose. hehe

[icey_boi]

sounds exciting lol

[Houstonbc]

looks sweet, id sub eq in for deca though

[theboss]

i think all that would make my head explode

[tex]

looks sweet, id sub eq in for deca though

his blood would be like sludge with eq and drol.....would have to donate monthly imo......

[dku]

I'd probably try something similar if I had the money. Good luck!

[Rhinobolt10]

I'm just interested in seeing if you feel like god or feel like shit...

Go for it dude!

[Big D]

http://www.steroid-abuse.org/ :a+

Yeah man.. those doses are crazy.

Why are you doing enanthate every other day anyway? Why not just use prop and ace.. that way if it's too much you can lower your doses.

I'm eager to see what (if any - which I'm sure there will be) side effects you're going to experience with such high doses.

How much do you weigh?

i would do anything EOD, its the best way to go IMO. it keeps everything so much more stable you can do higher dosages without the negative sides

[JonnyO]

What was your best cycle so far, doses, compounds used, etc. What did you gain from it?

[rufusrocks]

I will take any opinions on this cycle,
yes these doses are crazy, but so am I..

good luck, hope you will be taking stuff for your liver and kidneys.. you should get you blood check before you tackle this too. jusy my opinion

:bch

[varking]

Just my opinion to be running that much stuff you better get ready to get HUGE ahaha best of luck bro I`m sure you will find the cycle great...

[tex]

i would do anything EOD, its the best way to go IMO. it keeps everything so much more stable you can do higher dosages without the negative sides i agree...in fact i know a few that pin enth ed.....they run high doses and it cuts down on injection volume....and it provides more stable levels.....check out the roid calculator and look at how the levels vary when you pin once or twice a week.......thats why guys get oily skin, acne...etc....

[kloan]

i would do anything EOD, its the best way to go IMO. it keeps everything so much more stable you can do higher dosages without the negative sides
yeah that's a good point.. i could feel the changes with the twice a week regimen i was doing... i know people say you cant but i could.. by the day before it was time to shoot i could feel the difference in levels... felt edgy, irritable, etc..

[canadianmuscle0803]

http://www.steroid-abuse.org/ :a+

Yeah man.. those doses are crazy.

Why are you doing enanthate every other day anyway? Why not just use prop and ace.. that way if it's too much you can lower your doses.

I'm eager to see what (if any - which I'm sure there will be) side effects you're going to experience with such high doses.

How much do you weigh?

because even if i did prop ED at 200mg that would only be 1,400mg/week.. not enough.. i weigh 240 right now on PCT.

[St]

good luck, hope you will be taking stuff for your liver and kidneys.. you should get you blood check before you tackle this too. jusy my opinion

:bch


You can only take stuff for the liver,not for Kidney there isn't anything on the market,i went to a Kidney specialist here is Ottawa Dr.Zimmerman great lady doctor.

[manfreakca]

1400 not enough bro lol

[Kronis]

because even if i did prop ED at 200mg that would only be 1,400mg/week.. not enough.. i weigh 240 right now on PCT.

How tall are you?

[bigdaddydrew123]

get your sleep now

[canadianmuscle0803]

im 5 foot 11 inches..

im gonna lower my tren dose to 150mg EOD..
also HCG 500iu every mon and thursday.

[Dozer1980]

good luck cm looks like a killer cycle i think id gain 100 pounds or die off that lol

[SmallieBigs]

yes, but it would mostly be water weitght.... :p

[INked]

Ya... ummmmm..... i guess if you're just lookin' to cut a little, and maintain....:popc

[JonnyO]

lol, i want to add 20lbs of muscle to my frame in 6 months. possible?

I highly doubt it.

[Blitz-Test]

lol, i want to add 20lbs of muscle to my frame in 6 months. possible?

never thought someone would post up a cycle of drugs and ask us if it is possible to put on x amount of weight in y amount of time... Figured food and training would have alot more to do with it then drugs...

[canadianmuscle0803]

people, please stop assuming that im totally relying on drugs to gain X amount of weight, im NOT a damn rookie for crying out loud, i know what this game involves, im not completely set on this cycle yet but this is my plan, if i decide to lower some doses or add something else i will do so with much caution..

[Toxic411]

I wanna see the before and after pics...LOL...good luck bro

[canadianmuscle0803]

I wanna see the before and after pics...LOL...good luck bro

ill post the FAT/SOFT/muscle depleted before pics right before the cycle starts.

[purelife]

good luck bro cycle looking good

[wrought]

...have you thought about how you're going to shoot that? That's about 16mls of oil a week....so if you've never used that much, depending how your lay it out, you might run out of places pretty quick.

Otherwise, go in for blood work periodically and watch out for fun stuff like cholesterol levels, blood pressure, and white blood cell count cuz 6 months is a long time to stay on arimidex like that....oh yeah, and plan ahead for coming off cuz chances are that this dose for a long duration will pretty much screw up your body's natural hormone profile permanently. ;)

[gustavo77]

I will take any opinions on this cycle, im goin big in 2 months time, my buddy will be training for the Canada's so I will be training with him for a big 6 month bulker.. so far i have this in mind

600mg test E EOD
200mg tren E EOD
300mg deca EOD
500mcgs caber EOD
1mg arimidex EOD
40mg nolva EOD (for cholesterol)
50mg proviron ED

first 4 weeks 150mg anadrol ED

8iu GH/PWO 4iu GH sat/sun
10iu humalog PWO

yes these doses are crazy, but so am I..

Holy dosages Batman!!! Brother you do not need all that to grow!

Have you ever ran tren+deca before...man, that combo makes me a little nervous...tren rage and not being able to get off, would equal = me locked up...haha... Seriously though, i do not see the point of running deca plus tren...deca for the joints?? You won't need 300mg eod for that.

You also will not need as much gear to put on 10-20lbs (20 being questionably attainable with any amount of gear) of muscle, you need to eat more than ever though possible....i was just reading what David Henry (a pro that compete's at under 202lbs) eats for his pre-comp diet...over 600 grams of protein per day! Over 600 grams for a guy that weighs mabe 220 in the offseason....

Bottom line and you know this....it does not matter how much or how many hormones you put in your body, if the building blocks are not there, the gear don;t mean shit...

That being said, if you want to gain some serious mass, work up to eating 450-500 grams of protein per day and not mostly shakes either...400grams minimum of animal/tissue protein, plus two to three high quality shakes per day....depending on your metabolism, you should also be eating 600-1000grams of low glycemic carbs per day....high-glycemic carbs only post workout. Want to gain muscle??? gotta learn how to eat like you never have before bro.

This what is how i would run this cycle:

Test E 300mg eod
tren A 150mg eod
Primo 200mg eod
D-bol 40-50mg/day for 4 weeks, take 6-8 off and run drol 50-100mg/day for 4 weeks.
Caber 500mcg e3rd day..no need for eod...the half life of caber is long..
1mg of adex eod or 25mg of aromasin ed (aromasin is a much better choice with your lipid history)
50-100mg of proviron per day

GH and slin as you wish...

[Delt King]

Did you read my mind CM? I'll be running roughly the same cycle in about 2 mths minus the adex, nolva, caber (but i'll keep them handy just in case). And maybe half the Gh. Should be fun though. I'll post my pics with yours for comparison.

[KingKong]

And I just read that you were on 2 years of continual steroid use???? This is clearly an example of steroid ABUSE. And your not even competing??? I am really having a hard time understanding this bro.

[JonnyO]

For sure KK. I'm 240 around 10-11% bodyfat and I thought taking a gram and a half test a week was a lot for me, lol. I've planeed some crazy cycles for myself but they never end up like I plan them out as I will go a few day missing shots and Im glad as it works out just fine that way, lol. Sometimes Ill go a week missing a shot and still make gains.

Bro if you think your going to get noticeably huge or turn pro someday, you would have known it by now during your 8 years of using AAS. Shit if I had to take that much to grow or TRY to get there I'd give up and take up golfing.

[Blitz-Test]

For sure KK. I'm 240 around 10-11% bodyfat and I thought taking a gram and a half test a week was a lot for me, lol. I've planeed some crazy cycles for myself but they never end up like I plan them out as I will go a few day missing shots and Im glad as it works out just fine that way, lol. Sometimes Ill go a week missing a shot and still make gains.

Bro if you think your going to get noticeably huge or turn pro someday, you would have known it by now during your 8 years of using AAS. Shit if I had to take that much to grow or TRY to get there I'd give up and take up golfing.

Thats what i think, I think ronnie would think this is a ****ing nuts cycle lol

[Born2Juice4Ever]

Grasshopers :D :D that is not a big cycle at all.
Cycling over the years for a vet becomes more and more complex. As time goes by the person wants to experiment with different dosages/compounds, lengths and so one.

I am NO pro, and I am not a Canadian level competitor either, but have played with MUCH bigger cycles that canadianmuscle's for longer periods of time.--succesfully:)
In the end friends, it is all an experiment:D

I think somebody mentioned the deca/tren combo---that is going to cause you a lot of problems for sure.
I love deca/test combo a lot, incorporate anadrols to jump start that bitch as you have it.

Canadianmuscle if that is your vision, then go nuts!! I go out of control every now and then too, nothing wrong with that. Go get yourself some tripple XXX shirts, pants, and start pilling up your fridges with all the meat you can find...its gonna be a good ride my man!! A good ride!!!



B2J

[JonnyO]

Grasshopers :D :D that is not a big cycle at all.


WOW, is all I can say. No offense but no matter what way you look at it, those doses are way too high and not necessary. Maybe for a short term blast period to break a plateau, but not for any prolonged amount of time. There comes a time when the risks outweighs the benefits. I cant see this being very healthy.

[Born2Juice4Ever]

WOW, is all I can say. No offense but no matter what way you look at it, those doses are way too high and not necessary. Maybe for a short term blast period to break a plateau, but not for any prolonged amount of time. There comes a time when the risks outweighs the benefits. I cant see this being very healthy.

I agree with you on many levels.

As I said there comes a time in a guys juice life, when he will want to play around with MANY, and LAR|GER dosages.
Hey running test at 1000mgs per week is not healthy, we still do it.
I am not fond of HUGE cycles myself. I have done at least 3 "out of control cycles" in my time, and I will be the first to admit that: GREAT GAINS, but horrible side effects.
But keep in mind that I have been running consistent cycles for at least 6 years now, and have been juicing for over 10 now.
My tolerance for certain compounds and dosages is not the same for a fella who has been playing around for a few years.



B2J

[ironwill]

Interesting thread and replies.....I think this is a huge dose...But im not CM....I am for the first time ever up over a gram on gear...While bulking i can get huge and strong and not fat, not over 13 percent, while taking half a gram of test /week...But now dieting i have found i drop some muscle while staying on such a low dose..I suspect some folks can diet down and hold muscle easier than others, And i suppose some guys can get large on smaller doses.. Some guys take all kinds of stuff and cant grow period...
I just hope we are all getting our bloodwork done regular, because at the end of the day, that is our benchmark and measure of what we are doing to ourselves...
Im interested in seeing the b4 and afters more than anything else....

[manfreakca]

i find the same thing bro fat loss while on test,but i found i have to up the calories then big time

[Solo59]

Grasshopers :D :D that is not a big cycle at all.
You sure you read the amounts & the schedule for taking them correctly?

Solo

[canadianmuscle0803]

LOL

[natenator]

forgive me for being the one to say it but is this not boardering on abuse? You were on for 2 years, by the time your PCT ends you will have been off for what? 3-4 months and then you're going to go on once again for another 6 months?

I just don't get it. Why'd you come off if you were just going to go back on?

[canadianmuscle0803]

forgive me for being the one to say it but is this not boardering on abuse? You were on for 2 years, by the time your PCT ends you will have been off for what? 3-4 months and then you're going to go on once again for another 6 months?

I just don't get it. Why'd you come off if you were just going to go back on?

naa im not gonna do this extreme cycle anymore.. i changed my mind.

[waderow]

does CM understand the risks he is taking???? YES
does CM know about recovery, blood work, health, diet, training????? YES
is CM a big boy???? YES

Do what floats your boat bro. There are lots of guys who take doses like this and lots of big motha****as. Do you NEED it? No, youre already big bro. Will it kill you??? probably not lol. Some guys end up in the hospital though for liver surgery from this shit though. Whether we approve or not, it is CM's choice.

Sounds like only a few here would try this. So be it.

Me? No, I think I would act too erratic and I need to deal with people professionally.

If you do, be careful. If you don't... cool, most here would prefer you didn't obviously.

I would sooner see you do a regular gear cycle and do like 30iu of HGH a day and post results

[canadianmuscle0803]

does CM understand the risks he is taking???? YES
does CM know about recovery, blood work, health, diet, training????? YES
is CM a big boy???? YES

Do what floats your boat bro. There are lots of guys who take doses like this and lots of big motha****as. Do you NEED it? No, youre already big bro. Will it kill you??? probably not lol. Some guys end up in the hospital though for liver surgery from this shit though. Whether we approve or not, it is CM's choice.

Sounds like only a few here would try this. So be it.

Me? No, I think I would act too erratic and I need to deal with people professionally.

If you do, be careful. If you don't... cool, most here would prefer you didn't obviously.

I would sooner see you do a regular gear cycle and do like 30iu of HGH a day and post results

well im changing the dosages around a bit..

400mg test EOD, thats about 1,600mg/week
150 tren E EOD
and instead of deca im gonna take PRIMO 200mg EOD ( its my first time using this so im excited)

still will run caber, proviron, adex and nolva will shift these doses around a bit..

[waderow]

i want to try primo too. looking forward to hear results

[canadianmuscle0803]

i want to try primo too. looking forward to hear results

im actually gonna try and homebrew all my gear.. wish me luck!!

[kloan]

well im changing the dosages around a bit..

400mg test EOD, thats about 1,600mg/week
150 tren E EOD
and instead of deca im gonna take PRIMO 200mg EOD ( its my first time using this so im excited)

still will run caber, proviron, adex and nolva will shift these doses around a bit..
that's better... :)

no need to end up in the hospital where you'd lose all your muscles in a week. this seems like a more sane cycle, while still being pretty big in doses.. should see great gains i think.

[JonnyO]

What supps will you be taking for HDL/LDL?

[canadianmuscle0803]

What supps will you be taking for HDL/LDL?

Omega 3/6/9 Oils and nolvadex every other day.

any other suggestions?

[L3]

Garlic Extract

[manfreakca]

yha bro 3 6 9 good oils

[JonnyO]

Flush Free Niacin
Red yeast extract

Also some Liv52 would be good in there.

[waderow]

why flush free niacin?? the flush is the whole point i thought

[JonnyO]

why flush free niacin?? the flush is the whole point i thought

Not really for what were using it here for, lol.