ALBERTA???

[waderow]

Brian Knight, a 38 year old hard working farmer from Tees, Alberta spotted trespassers in his farmyard in the early morning hours of Thursday, March 26, 2009.

These "prowlers" were there for one reason, and that reason was crime. The extent of the crime these men wished to commit will never be known, but theft was definitely on their mind at very least.

Confronted by Brian Knight, the men fled into the night. Two in a stolen pickup truck, and one on a quad that he stole from Brian Knights yard.

Brian Knight allegedly gave chase in his car, and allegedly rammed the criminal off the road, and allegedly wounded the thief with an alleged shot gun.

RCMP were called and the criminals were apprehended.

A happy ending???? Not even close...... Our perverse law makers saw fit to charge Brian Knight...the man allegedly defending his property and family. Mr. Knight was treated like a criminal, and charged with seven offences, including assault, criminal negligence causing bodily harm and discharging a firearm. Brian Knight faces jail time for protecting what was his, and for exercising his "inalienable right" of self-defence.

If you are wondering, the real criminals that night walked with a "promise to appear".

In Edmonton or Calgary we can afford to act like sheep. We can cower in the face of crime, and take comfort in the fact that expected police response time with a 911 call would be less than 10 minutes.

In rural Alberta, residents are not so lucky, and can be waiting for quite some time for police protection. This is why it is understood in rural circles that you look after yourself, your property and your neighbors and their property. It appears however that our Government prefers its subjects to be complacent and for us to act in cowardice.

Brian Knight faces our Government as an accused criminal on April 9, 2009 in Stettler, Alberta.

I pray that the Judge has a backbone and throws away these ridiculous charges.

Only time will tell however, and in the mean time, Brian Knight must defend himself from prosecution by the state.

A legal defence fund has been set up in trust by his friend Brian Currie, and donations can be made at the ATB.



The account established is through:

Alberta Treasury Branch:
Transit # 856-219-1186485-01
Account # 856-1186485-01



Cheques Payable to:
Trust For Brian Knight

Mailing address:
ATB Financial
4720 51 Avenue
Lacombe AB
T4L 2J5



"On behalf of Brian Knight and family we would like to thank-you for your support."

Email us at: info@brianknightlegalfund.com

http://www.brianknightlegalfund.com/

[pinhead]

Heard stories like this before. Law is screwed up here.

My logical human law is this

If you are in my house when you weren't invited in and put my family in any kind of danger, I can shoot and kill you without asking 1 question and I should be in the right 100%. I believe that is how it is in Texas. At least somewhere in North America they have that part of the law right.

[waderow]

yes, very much so. If someone was to break in while i was home they are going to find themselves at gun point, and if they make one ****ing move i am mowing them down.

deal with canada's ****ed up justice system at a later date, but at least i will be okay...

[faller]

I remember reading some stat.'s a while back where in the US justifiable homicide's commited by the average citizen was double that of law enforcement agencies...

[the-vanilla-gorilla]

its bullshit

you and your family is in danger you should be alloud to do what is needed until the police arrive SIMPLE

[the-vanilla-gorilla]

akkthough just before winter here i was sitting in the couch watching BOONDOCK SAINT it was a violent part and all of the sudden i hear banging out front of my house so i look theres some dude smahinn my family minivan to shit with a hammer so i grab my handy mini bat kept by the door take his hammer from him and well lets just say the ****er probly wont be holding much for awhile and will need physio for his hands i call the cops and tell them i beat him up but he got weird and smashed his hands with hhis hammer they laughed at me and siad whatever turns out this lunatic smashed up like 16 cars and 2 buisiness
i never got any grief from anyone for it

but there was no gun so.....
still the man should be allowed to do what is needed

[tex]

this kind of shit really pisses me off. i love canada and i am greatful to live here but that is horse shit..........whatever happened to prairie justice

[L3]

i call the cops and tell them i beat him up but he got weird and smashed his hands with hhis hammer

i can just picture it

TVG: Officer, i swears, i was just beating him down a wee bit and he went all psycho and started mashing his hands with that gosh darn hammer of his

[Mr Ontario]

is there an actual write up on this in the paper?

[champcar99]

the problem I believe is
"Brian Knight allegedly gave chase in his car, and allegedly rammed the criminal off the road, and allegedly wounded the thief with an alleged shot gun."

"he chased them and assulted them off his property...'


you have a right to detain a suspect till police get there but you dont have the right to chase down than asult the criminal OFF YOUR PROPERTY...

[Bowlcut]

I like the castle doctrine.
Time we had one.

[waderow]

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/calgary/story/2009/04/01/cgy-farmer-alberta-knight-trust-fund.html


http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20090402/farmer_support_090402/20090402?hub=Canada

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2217599/posts

[waderow]

Some of you are concerned that it happened away from his home... I personally do not care, as the criminal was on the farmers quad. you should be able to chase him to the ****ing border until you get your shit back, and the farmer should never have gave a statement to the ****ing cops.

NEVER GIVE A STATEMENT

But, he is a trusting, honest Alberta farmer, and now is facing jail

[RagingRandy]

This is total crap. If someone messes with me and my family they have already decided to risk their life. I would have done the same as the farmer, except I would not have called the cops. Justice would have been handed out immediately.

The other issue is that if a cop had run him off the road the cop it would have been ruled as justified. Why can a cop do this and a citizen can't? Any freedoms the cops have the same should be true of any law abiding citizen.

I heard an interview with one of the neighbors who said that though shots were fired none of the injuries came from the gun shots.

A good writeup... http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/fullcomment/archive/2009/04/03/colby-cosh-no-thief-no-cops-no-lawyers-no-problem.aspx

[Big D]

A real good friend of mine, got broken into. while he was in the house, he grabbed his baseball bat and and swung away at three guys that were trying to rob him. he pretty much beat the shit out of these guys in his home.

so he called the cops they show up, they end up arresting my friend for beating these guys.

he was sentenced to 1 year in jail. but he only had to do 6 months.

and as for the guys that tried to rob him, nothing happen to them.

[RagingRandy]

A real good friend of mine, got broken into. while he was in the house, he grabbed his baseball bat and and swung away at three guys that were trying to rob him. he pretty much beat the shit out of these guys in his home.

so he called the cops they show up, they end up arresting my friend for beating these guys.

he was sentenced to 1 year in jail. but he only had to do 6 months.

and as for the guys that tried to rob him, nothing happen to them.

The lesson "don't call the cops". Implement the 3 S solution.....

Shoot
Shovel
Silence

[Bowlcut]

A real good friend of mine, got broken into. while he was in the house, he grabbed his baseball bat and and swung away at three guys that were trying to rob him. he pretty much beat the shit out of these guys in his home.

so he called the cops they show up, they end up arresting my friend for beating these guys.

he was sentenced to 1 year in jail. but he only had to do 6 months.

and as for the guys that tried to rob him, nothing happen to them.

This is what socialist justice is. Blame the victim for not surrendering his property to that "poor" criminal who wanted it more.

[bottleneckblooz]

This reminds me of a joke I heard somewhere. A guy calls 911 and says there are 2 men breaking into his garage. The 911 operator says they will send someone as soon as they can, but right at the moment all the police on duty are busy with other calls. The guy hangs up, and calls back a minute later, and tells the operator to forget about sending some police over as he's already shot the 2 men dead, and he hangs up again. A few minutes later police show up sirens blaring and catch the 2 men red handed in the guys garage. The police go to the man that made the call and say, "I thought you said you killed the burglers?" The man responds, "Well, I thought you said you were too busy!"
:D

[waderow]

lol good joke, and it is the truth.

Emergency dispatch triage and lazy cops put low priority crimes such as property crimes on the back burner

[Bowlcut]

lol good joke, and it is the truth.

Emergency dispatch triage and lazy cops put low priority crimes such as property crimes on the back burner

In the United States the courts have ruled the police are not responsible for the protection of your life and property.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Town_of_Castle_Rock_v._Gonzales

So if they police are not obligated to protect us, how can we with out guns?

Get a glock and take out the middle man :D

[Gettin'r'round]

What we need is US justice + incarceration but without the "war" on drugs bullshit. Best of both world's IMO.

[the-vanilla-gorilla]

is there an actual write up on this in the paper?

i think this is older?

[the-vanilla-gorilla]

i can just picture it

TVG: Officer, i swears, i was just beating him down a wee bit and he went all psycho and started mashing his hands with that gosh darn hammer of his

nah the cop was cool as f*ck
the paramedics showed up and he was all i never called you guys for this piece of shit meet us back at the sation lol
then when they drove off he looked at me saing how much hed like to **** the one driving lol
i geuss they knew the guy i caught and he was a trouble maker so.....

[the-vanilla-gorilla]

The lesson "don't call the cops". Implement the 3 S solution.....

Shoot
Shovel
Silence



somethings need to be delt with without the cops for it to be delts with proper!!!


3S!!!!!

[waderow]

if i ended up blasting someone in my house who was committing a crime against me, and the dude was dead, it would be very appealing to not call police and just get rid of the p.o.s.
less hassle that way, however if you get caught then its worse...so its a catch 22

[the-vanilla-gorilla]

if i ended up blasting someone in my house who was committing a crime against me, and the dude was dead, it would be very appealing to not call police and just get rid of the p.o.s.
less hassle that way, however if you get caught then its worse...so its a catch 22

do it your self or call that one homie you can trust!!

tell him to pick up lots of bleach and bags and in the ****ing tub he goes!!

"dont worry homie i seen this on T.V"
lol

[waderow]

i think this is older?

nope, very recent. court is next week for the guy (preliminary hearing or some pre-court shit)

i posted links earlier

[the-vanilla-gorilla]

nope, very recent. court is next week for the guy (preliminary hearing or some pre-court shit)

i posted links earlier

i seen that after i posted

[waderow]

EDMONTON — Alberta Premier Ed Stelmach said Friday he empathizes with an Alberta farmer accused of chasing down and shooting a man who allegedly stole the farmer's all-terrain vehicle.

The premier said he understands why residents in farmer Brian Knight's central Alberta community of Clive are rallying behind him and have set up a trust fund to aid his legal defence.

The RCMP have charged Knight, 38, with criminal negligence causing bodily harm, assault and dangerous driving. Police allege Knight chased the thief off his land, rammed the stolen all-terrain vehicle he was on into a ditch, and shot him with a shotgun as he tried to run away.

He's also accused of gathering a posse to track the wounded man before calling police.

"I can certainly feel the frustration of the owner," Stelmach said in Calgary on Friday, "and that's why we're moving very quickly with the Solicitor General Alison Redford (sic) and of course with Fred Lindsay, who's in charge of the policing, to put more police on the streets.

"But the other thing is once they're charged, that we keep them in jail and they pay the appropriate penalty for property crimes and (we're) also talking about bail reform."

Redford is, in fact, the justice minister. Lindsay is solicitor general.

Stelmach said he "wouldn't mind making more comments," before noting the case is before the court. The premier did not answer questions on whether he thinks the farmer was within his rights to fire his shotgun.

The premier suggested Albertans are frustrated with crime, no matter what the statistics say. Stelmach's own rural house was broken into last year.

"It is a sense of frustration, although statistically property crimes are down. That doesn't mean that if it happens to you — statistics don't mean a thing," Stelmach said.

"And that's why I'm sure that the community is rallying behind the gentleman."

Clive is about 140 kilometres south of Edmonton.

© Copyright (c) Canwest News Service

[waderow]

GREAT ARTICLE!!!

Colby Cosh: No thief, no cops, no lawyers, no problem
Posted: April 03, 2009, 8:00 AM by NP Editor
Colby Cosh, Full Comment

Several people have heard the story of farmer Brian Knight — who shot and captured a thief who stole his all-terrain vehicle — and responded with a sneering, “Only in Alberta.” I would like to repeat this message, so that the actions of Mr. Knight in defending his property can help protect mine, too.

So pay attention, thieves: Only in Alberta are homeowners armed, and ready to shoot straight. Only in Alberta will you find a whole community closing in on you if you try to steal the equipment of a family business. Only in Alberta are we not content to sit quietly and wait for the police to arrive and copy serial numbers. You are much safer plying your trade elsewhere. Preferably in one of those places where the nice people would think it barbaric to shoot you.

Brian Knight, 38, runs a farm near the hamlet of Tees, east of Lacombe; its rodeo venue is home to an annual donkey and mule show. Last Wednesday morning, Knight heard some noise and confronted three men outside his home. Two made the smart choice to hop into their truck and vamoose, but the third, hoping not to leave empty-handed, had jumped on a nearby four-wheel ATV and sped off on it. Knight got in his own truck, chased down the stranger on his ATV, and rammed it off the road. When the suspect fled, Knight fired a shotgun at him. No details of the ammunition have been provided, but buckshot or road salt would be good guesses; in any case, it amounted to distinctly less lethal force than a policeman might have used in the same circumstances. (No word on whether any staplers were found on the perpetrator.)

The lightly injured thief kept running, but was eventually rounded up by Knight’s neighbours and kin. In a moment of deranged inspiration, he even tried to make off with another truck in which he was left to bleed while the cops were called. Knight now faces seven criminal charges, including assault, criminal negligence causing bodily harm and dangerous driving. The thief was taken to Edmonton, bandaged up and released by police without bail after being charged. The RCMP will not name him, but a local spokesman warned: “Don’t take the law into your own hands. Contact the police as soon as possible, because all you’re going to do is get yourself into trouble.”

Perhaps only in Alberta do people still understand that this is nonsense — that the police’s privilege of investigating and punishing crime is derived from our primary right of self-defence, which we delegate but do not abandon, and that property is an extension of ourselves, and may be defended in the same way and for the same reasons we are allowed to defend our persons. No RCMP officer is transferred to an aboriginal community without abundant cultural-sensitivity training. Maybe something similar, perhaps involving a careful reading of John Locke’s philosophy, should be done before assigning them to the Alberta countryside. (If Mr. Knight is found guilty, do you suppose he will get the benefit of a “sentencing circle” made up of other farmers from around Tees?)

The RCMP sergeant’s schoolmarmish lecture will probably do as much to inflame local anger as the charges against Knight, which have ignited a prairie fire on Alberta talk radio. Farmers who live far from the nearest RCMP detachment know that, in practice, the law really is in their own hands. If they don’t act to protect the expensive equipment they use to earn a livelihood, they will be at the mercy of professional predators. At stake here is the very possibility of a safe, productive rural life. Whatever the RCMP’s view of Knight’s actions, the insurance companies who serve the area should feel perpetual shame if they let this man face a judge without displaying a gold medal struck at their expense.

And let us remember that deterrence cuts both ways. The RCMP might not be afraid to discourage self-defence, but they should be afraid of inadvertently encouraging farmers to deal with thieves by following a shotgun blast with a coup de grâce. Brian Knight (for whom donations are being accepted at brianknightlegalfund.com) willingly invited the “trouble” he is now getting from the Mounties by calling them in on his citizen’s arrest. This is not vigilantism, though some semi-literate reporters have reserved desk space in Hell by using that term. A vigilante would have fed a thief to the pigs, or dressed him in chains and cinder blocks and taken him for a swim in Buffalo Lake. No cops, no lawyers, no problem.
National Post
colbycosh@gmail.com

[waderow]

this was a comment made by a guy in response to ^^^

by edd333ed
Apr 03 2009
8:55 AM


Right on, Colby.

The sooner these charges are stayed by the Attorney-General of Alberta on the basis that there is no public interst in prosecuting Knight, the safer Alberta will be. The longer this sort of asinine folly of charging those who protect their own property against thieves goes on, the closer we are to a real vigilante society.

Decades of this sort of thing have nearly convinced honest citizens that the justice system is actually on the side of the crooks, drug dealers and perverts. When they begin to believe that, the state has lost its legitimacy.

The Liberal theory of government consists of a utopian view of human nature combined with high taxes to reward the lazy and underfunding and overcomplicating the justice system, so that it relies on words instead of results to achieve its product. The notion that this suits any rural community, where hard work is the only way to get results, is absurd. But it does play well in Toronto and other effete neighborhoods full of accountants, financial consultants and other parasites on the economy.

[warlock]

Let's put like this:

I am anti-guns, anti-violence, anti-war and still support the actions of this farmer.

He was nice enough to not kill the guy!
Unfortunately law and justice are 2 different things.

[RagingRandy]

Hey Wade.....Read up. I posted a link to that write-up yesterday. It is a great article.

[waderow]

Hey Wade.....Read up. I posted a link to that write-up yesterday. It is a great article.

good find bro. it is a surprise viewpoint from an "easterner"