12 Billion!!!

[HoliTheCat]

http://www.vancouversun.com/business/fp/Canada+pledges+poorer+countries/1456083/story.html

Because our schools couldn't use that 12billion.

Teacher earns 35k a year lets say.

500 Teachers - 17.5m

=685 years. of Teachers.

wtf?

(math is approx and is only maybe right)

[waderow]

he is stuck appeasing the bleeding heart liberals and socialists in the east and on the west coast

until he gains a majority, this kind of BS will always be happening

[HoliTheCat]

he is stuck appeasing the bleeding heart liberals and socialists in the east and on the west coast

until he gains a majority, this kind of BS will always be happening

Agreed. I voted for him. Lets look after our own first. Holi FTW!!

[Gettin'r'round]

Umm time to look at the bigger picture. All it takes is a few countries to default, then triggering bank failures and once that happens it's shotguns and canned beans. The world is a figging house of cards at the moment.

[Gettin'r'round]

Wow hold on... Since when do teachers get 35k? Here after a few years they are gunning for 100k plus pensions, bankable sick days, ++++benefits. 35k hahaha

FAIL!

[waderow]

Umm time to look at the bigger picture. All it takes is a few countries to default, then triggering bank failures and once that happens it's shotguns and canned beans. The world is a figging house of cards at the moment.

disagree 100% when times are tough like this you need to regroup and look after your own first. That 12 billion could have paid for a shit load of infrastructure projects which would have fueled the economies in those areas for a year

[HoliTheCat]

Wow hold on... Since when do teachers get 35k? Here after a few years they are gunning for 100k plus pensions, bankable sick days, ++++benefits. 35k hahaha

FAIL!

I don't know any teacher elementry or highschool that makes 100k. Principal perhaps.

Regardless - we are talking about the future of our country. Have you spoken to any kids as of late. Most are dumb as ****.

[waderow]

teachers salaries are often in the 50-60k range, with 2 months off per year

[Gettin'r'round]

disagree 100% when times are tough like this you need to regroup and look after your own first. That 12 billion could have paid for a shit load of infrastructure projects which would have fueled the economies in those areas for a year

Don't you read history? Everyone "regrouped" after 1929 sending the world economy into a tailspin that didn't end until the war started. The parallels between then and now are scary. All this stimulus talk... it didn't work for the new deal in the 30's and it won't work now.

[HoliTheCat]

Umm time to look at the bigger picture. All it takes is a few countries to default, then triggering bank failures and once that happens it's shotguns and canned beans. The world is a figging house of cards at the moment.

I disagree as well. If Ethiopia crumbles we don't feel it. (an example) Not like they are going to board a plane with a shotgun and come over and knock off CDNs.

[Gettin'r'round]

teachers salaries are often in the 50-60k range, with 2 months off per year

those benefits + pensions would easily push the 60K to close or over 100k. some of those teachers pension plans are HUGE financial outfits. ****ing sick. the spread between the public vs private sector are disgusting and threaten the well-being of the economy with ever increasing taxes to pay for all this largess

[waderow]

that i agree with. the public sector is ****ed with benefits, pensions, holiday, sick pay, time off, regular raises, etc etc etc

[Gettin'r'round]

I disagree as well. If Ethiopia crumbles we don't feel it. (an example) Not like they are going to board a plane with a shotgun and come over and knock off CDNs.

But if enough of those countries default it will destroy confidence in the banking system. Wait until the shit in Somalia blows back if you want to see a failed state. The hard-core wahhabi islamists are set to become to defacto gov't in Somalia. Fun times. Just like Afganistan in the late 90's.

[HoliTheCat]

I agree with that as well - however, I do believe that individuals who are taking the career path of teaching our children should be compensated. Not a very rewarding or respectd job anymore. I think it is noble profession.

[waderow]

is canadian economy stays strong, as it has for the most part, canada will become heavily invested in....

to hell with somalia, ethiopia, aftrica in general, middle east (more instability the better for us), and europe actually too.

The USA will hurt is though

[Gettin'r'round]

that i agree with. the public sector is ****ed with benefits, pensions, holiday, sick pay, time off, regular raises, etc etc etc

Here in Ontario 1 in 10 civil servants earn over 100k just in salary ALONE! they need to monetize the benefits + pensions too. not that that would change much with Dalton in power... :(

[HoliTheCat]

But if enough of those countries default it will destroy confidence in the banking system. Wait until the shit in Somalia blows back if you want to see a failed state. The hard-core wahhabi islamists are set to become to defacto gov't in Somalia. Fun times. Just like Afganistan in the late 90's.

I suppose. But what I do not agree with is that it NEEDS to affect us.

Hypothetically, if we let all the 'third world' countries **** each other up with aids, guns, slaying, etc what do we lose? What if the major powers cut them off? No longer supplying them or helping with anything? What do we lose? Headaches?

What do we gain?

I don't think the lose of undeveloped countries have to force us to lose confidence in the banking system. I think it would (if we let it) allow us to lose confidence in a country (and its' people) that cannot govern or look after itself. And who cares?

[Gettin'r'round]

I agree with that as well - however, I do believe that individuals who are taking the career path of teaching our children should be compensated. Not a very rewarding or respectd job anymore. I think it is noble profession.

Noble profession, yes. However it's all about the teacher unions nowadays, in Toronto they are threatening to strike over being made to do more supervision (hall, cafeteria etc). HUH? Talk about a disconnection with reality. They are overpaid with 10000% job security and they want to strike? It's a ****ing insult to those who are currently unemployed.

[the-vanilla-gorilla]

:popc
nothing ever changes

[Gettin'r'round]

I suppose. But what I do not agree with is that it NEEDS to affect us.

Hypothetically, if we let all the 'third world' countries **** each other up with aids, guns, slaying, etc what do we lose? What if the major powers cut them off? No longer supplying them or helping with anything? What do we lose? Headaches?

What do we gain?

I don't think the lose of undeveloped countries have to force us to lose confidence in the banking system. I think it would (if we let it) allow us to lose confidence in a country (and its' people) that cannot govern or look after itself. And who cares?

I need to eat so I'll answer this later.

[HoliTheCat]

Noble profession, yes. However it's all about the teacher unions nowadays, in Toronto they are threatening to strike over being made to do more supervision (hall, cafeteria etc). HUH? Talk about a disconnection with reality. They are overpaid with 10000% job security and they want to strike? It's a ****ing insult to those who are currently unemployed.

I disagree again.

Teachers left and right are losing their jobs, cutbacks, and everything else that goes with it. If you are hired to teach, you teach. Why the **** should you have to work in the cafe or monitor halls. Why don't we use some of that 12 BILLION dollars and hire some ****ing hall monitors and cooks instead of spending it on some aids infested country that wants our money but is to stupid to help themselves.

Over and over again. Give them a million dollars today - they run - spend it - and have their hands out for a million dollars tomorrow.

**** that shit.

A good friend of mine went to Kenya and he said never again. His exact words "they are too stupid to help themselves and just want handout after handout because they think we are rich"

He went to help.

[HoliTheCat]

I need to eat so I'll answer this later.

Cool bro. I gotta get a haircut in a few too.

Holla back (good discussion today on CBB) :D

[Bowlcut]

Wow hold on... Since when do teachers get 35k? Here after a few years they are gunning for 100k plus pensions, bankable sick days, ++++benefits. 35k hahaha

FAIL!


Actually teachers start in BC at 35K. They don't have it as good as the Ontario ones, but as we agreed before the free market needs to set the wage rates.

[Gettin'r'round]

Teacher has always done supervision of students. So they are so special they can't look after kids while not in class? Why? What is the difference? So we need to hire more people while teachers sit on their asses?

Also you are assuming the 500billion in IMF funding will be used for "aids infested countries". I don't see much detail in the announcements but the article seems to suggest this aid is geared more towards helping these countries stay afloat financially, not aid for generals Swiss bank accounts.

Over and over again, that sounds like teachers (or any civil service union) demanding more $, more job security, less work, etc.

Also your first sentence is complete and utter bullshit. In Ontario, there has been ZERO, repeat, ZERO teacher layoffs. In fact they are bitching about getting only 2%year cost of living increase. ALL teacher unions have gotten increases this year. I can see layoffs coming but that is due to 30Billion Dalton has stolen from the private sector to pump into health+education. This is unsustainable and needs a new Mike Harris to come in and fix the mess Dalton Dad has made of this province and it's economy.


I disagree again.

Teachers left and right are losing their jobs, cutbacks, and everything else that goes with it. If you are hired to teach, you teach. Why the **** should you have to work in the cafe or monitor halls. Why don't we use some of that 12 BILLION dollars and hire some ****ing hall monitors and cooks instead of spending it on some aids infested country that wants our money but is to stupid to help themselves.

Over and over again. Give them a million dollars today - they run - spend it - and have their hands out for a million dollars tomorrow.

**** that shit.

A good friend of mine went to Kenya and he said never again. His exact words "they are too stupid to help themselves and just want handout after handout because they think we are rich"

He went to help.

[Gettin'r'round]

Actually teachers start in BC at 35K. They don't have it as good as the Ontario ones, but as we agreed before the free market needs to set the wage rates.

You don't have a premier who's wife is a teacher. You should see the spineless education minister we have. It's so sad. I don't have a problem with teachers but it's when teachers UNIONS get to dictate the education policy is when I have a problem. Take a gander over to the UK in the 70's to see what happens when unions take over. It's no mystery that certain union leaders here have english/irish accents. Thank you Mrs. Thatcher, you fixed the UK (labour sure ****ED it up eh?) but the rats fled over here.

[INked]

http://www.vancouversun.com/business/fp/Canada+pledges+poorer+countries/1456083/story.html

Because our schools couldn't use that 12billion.

Teacher earns 35k a year lets say.

500 Teachers - 17.5m

=685 years. of Teachers.

wtf?

(math is approx and is only maybe right)
Holly ****!! LOve my country but fear my Government!!

[HoliTheCat]

Also your first sentence is complete and utter bullshit. In Ontario, there has been ZERO, repeat, ZERO teacher layoffs. In fact they are bitching about getting only 2%year cost of living increase. ALL teacher unions have gotten increases this year. I can see layoffs coming but that is due to 30Billion Dalton has stolen from the private sector to pump into health+education. This is unsustainable and needs a new Mike Harris to come in and fix the mess Dalton Dad has made of this province and it's economy.

I live in BC bro :D

And that being said - I think Education should be a federal issue - no a provincial. I think as a country we should unify our education.

[HoliTheCat]

Holly ****!! LOve my country but fear my Government!!

Werd.

[Gettin'r'round]

I live in BC bro :D

And that being said - I think Education should be a federal issue - no a provincial. I think as a country we should unify our education.

Ya I can read. But I was referring to Ontario in reference to your posted comments.

More importantly, do you look sexay with the new haircut? ;)

[HoliTheCat]

Ya I can read. But I was referring to Ontario in reference to your posted comments.

More importantly, do you look sexay with the new haircut? ;)

Yes, yes I do. :D Thank you for asking sir.

[buildinthaskinnys]

80% of teachers are overpaid babysitters, what are they teaching these days? I learned about trigonometry, statistics, decimals blah blah blah

But did they teach you how to save a few bucks at the supermarket, or how turning your lights off in your room when you are not there could save you tens of thousands of dollars in your lifetime?

I can remember having three to four teachers in the entire time that I was in school that genuinely liked to teach and coincidently were good at it.

From grade 7 to grade 9, I routinely scored less then 20 % on math tests, only one teacher informed my parents about my dillema and proceeded to help me, without success, because within a few months she was gone for some reason, I never figured out exactly why, but I remember hearing another teacher say something like she wasnt "fitting" into the school system.

Now I realize it is probably because there is so much wrong with it and the teachers that want to change it are powerless to do anything about it.

[Gettin'r'round]

Teachers are also scared of the their union.

[Bowlcut]

I live in BC bro :D

And that being said - I think Education should be a federal issue - no a provincial. I think as a country we should unify our education.

Gross. Last thing we need is the people in Ottawa dictating education, especially when the socialist/pro Quebec crowd are in charge.

Look at the USA and how their Fed government has been involved in education since the 1960's, and guess what? Kids keep getting dumber.

[HoliTheCat]

Gross. Last thing we need is the people in Ottawa dictating education, especially when the socialist/pro Quebec crowd are in charge.

Look at the USA and how their Fed government has been involved in education since the 1960's, and guess what? Kids keep getting dumber.

Solid point

[Bowlcut]

Solid point

I understand what you are saying when it comes to having common standards for graduation as Ontario doesn't require history to a grade 12 level, but Alberta does.

However the Fed government can barely run the post office let alone schools.