Recent Blood work - 8th week of cycle

[Lukin2grow]

I got a kick out of my GP's reaction over my test level. He allowed me a 3 month prescription of Androgel and on top of that I told him I'd be running a cycle. For the record it's Test Cyp 500 mg a week (at the time of these blood tests....I jumped it to 750 2 weeks ago), 600 mg EQ and 75 mg Anadrol (at the time as well). Also I was using the gel and had (I think)...started the HCG...

Normal test range for an adult is 6.0 - 30.0. Mine was >52 NMOL/L and my Free testosterone...normal reference range is 19 - 94 PMOL/L ...Mine is at >173. LOL. He said you MUST be on a cycle because your test is off the charts and he started laughing. Great to have a cool doc. :a+

My question is this...I recall something in a cycle makes your good cholesterol take a hit and although my overall level and ratios are still excellent, my HDL definitely dropped..It was almost 2.0 originally, but changed to .63. If I remember correctly, the Anadrol is the culprit...I'm now off it at this stage. Test and EQ doesn't affect cholesterol does it? I'm presuming my next bloodwork will show a reversal again..

[ezturbo]

Are you taking any ancilliaries; arimidex, asin, letro?

[Lukin2grow]

"Are you taking any ancilliaries; arimidex, asin, letro? "

Nope. As I posted not long ago in a different thread, I don't get any estrogenic side effects. No gyno, hair issues, nada. I'm lucky that way.

[kawikaratekid]

How have the results been so far?

[pinhead]

Any water retention? That's what screws up your health in the long run.

[gustavo77]

It is most likely the drol...all oral AAS **** with lipids.. the degree to which is dependent on the individual. That said, give it 4-6 weeks and you should see an improvement in your HDL...if not, then you may be genetically pre-disposed with cholesterol problems. How old are you??

[Lukin2grow]

"How have the results been so far?"
Very promising. I'm up about 10 to 12 lbs..(it fluctuates) after 10 weeks with a month to go of injects still. I'm doing the 16 week cycle length this time. I researched the threads here and most seem to think it's far better than the shorter cycles and I always felt like I was just hitting my stride before and then it was the end and PCT was started. Now I'm more optimistic that with another month to go in the main that I might see a better sustainability this time.
"Any water retention? That's what screws up your health in the long run."
None whatsoever. I'm not even sure what that would look or feel like even. I don't think I've ever been prone to that in my life...as I said before, I'm a lucky dog in relation to sides. I don't seem to get any. The only thing I seemed to notice at first with A-drol was some headaches and a bit of a hit to my sleeping, but that passed. Also my liver values were stellar, so it didn't seem to do a damn thing to me in that regard and I started with A-drol without any other injects when I first got blood work. 5 days in and my free test was 114 which is much higher than the ref range of 19 - 94 PMOL/L, so I had confirmation that the gear was real. Not that I had any true doubts. I've known this guy for 7 years and ran other ones...still it was nice to have this borne out by tests.
EDIT: A couple of month before this my blood work showed free testosterone as 34 which is much lower and a comparison starting point just in case some of you were wondering if I was one of the possible few with high free test anyway. It valuable to have a before and after comparison.

"It is most likely the drol...all oral AAS **** with lipids.. the degree to which is dependent on the individual. That said, give it 4-6 weeks and you should see an improvement in your HDL...if not, then you may be genetically pre-disposed with cholesterol problems. How old are you??"

I'm 39 and my values are still good overall, it's just that they were "kickass" before the cycle as my doctor put it, and now they're just better than average. lol. So i can't really complain...especially when it's only temporary. I also started being more consistent with my Omega 3 intake. I take a teaspoonful daily now religiously and buy those Pro-Omega eggs, milk with it added..etc. so that should help a great deal as well eventually.
I'll update everyone in another month or so when I get more blood work done just so you can see yourself some real world comparison of A-drol in...and A-drol out. :)
By then it will be approximately 6 weeks past it's elimination, but still with the test and EQ being active, so any rather large improvement in HDL would seem to implicated the oral AAS...

[nitrous]

hmm..

Test Cyp 500 mg a week, 600 mg EQ and 75 mg Anadrol i would have expected more than 10-12lbs gained over 10 weeks.. are you mostly looking to lose fat or gain size or do both? or have you just been cycling for a long time now?

[natenator]

hmm..

Test Cyp 500 mg a week, 600 mg EQ and 75 mg Anadrol i would have expected more than 10-12lbs gained over 10 weeks.. are you mostly looking to lose fat or gain size or do both? or have you just been cycling for a long time now?
diet - not drugs - will dictate gains.

[Lukin2grow]

"Test Cyp 500 mg a week, 600 mg EQ and 75 mg Anadrol i would have expected more than 10-12lbs gained over 10 weeks.. are you mostly looking to lose fat or gain size or do both? or have you just been cycling for a long time now? "

Small screw up....450 mg EQ

I did about 4 cycles in the past..they were all over 5 years ago. I only got back in the gym really consistently this year. Keep in mind my frame. I'm one of those naturally slim guys. 5'10...142-45 lbs with 10% bodyfat. I eat tons of food and never gain a pound.
Trust me...a 10 lb gain for me is incredible. It's unbelievably hard for me to put on even 4 lbs with normal weight training and overeating for a few months. Without "help" I would undoubtedly take 10 years to go up to 165-170 which would be my ultimate goal that would look best on my frame. For my tastes anyway...

"diet - not drugs - will dictate gains. "

Which is the hardest part for me. It really does suck having an ectomorphic fast metabolism. Makes it much harder for me to gain.

[Kilburn]

I got a kick out of my GP's reaction over my test level. He allowed me a 3 month prescription of Androgel and on top of that I told him I'd be running a cycle. For the record it's Test Cyp 500 mg a week (at the time of these blood tests....I jumped it to 750 2 weeks ago), 600 mg EQ and 75 mg Anadrol (at the time as well). Also I was using the gel and had (I think)...started the HCG...

Normal test range for an adult is 6.0 - 30.0. Mine was >52 NMOL/L and my Free testosterone...normal reference range is 19 - 94 PMOL/L ...Mine is at >173. LOL. He said you MUST be on a cycle because your test is off the charts and he started laughing. Great to have a cool doc. :a+

My question is this...I recall something in a cycle makes your good cholesterol take a hit and although my overall level and ratios are still excellent, my HDL definitely dropped..It was almost 2.0 originally, but changed to .63. If I remember correctly, the Anadrol is the culprit...I'm now off it at this stage. Test and EQ doesn't affect cholesterol does it? I'm presuming my next bloodwork will show a reversal again..

for the 6-30 one back when i was on

300treen e
650test e
150 eq
50mg winny
25mg proviron

mine was 76 lol.

[nitrous]

diet - not drugs - will dictate gains.

i agree.. i just thought if he is tryin to bulk maybe his diet is off ;)



how many calories are you taking a day lukin2grow?

[Lukin2grow]

"i agree.. i just thought if he is tryin to bulk maybe his diet is off

how many calories are you taking a day lukin2grow? "

I'm trying to average 5000+ but I have other problems interfering with this. I'm a singer and I recently discovered I have GERD which I have no choice but to control or it allows burning of my vocal cords by food repeating and especially at night while sleeping.
This means I am supposed to not eat 2 hours before performing, and then it's a 3 or 4 hour set, so that's a long period where normally we would be eating something small at that point.
On top of that no food 3 hours before bed. I HATE going to bed on an empty stomach..haven't done it ever since I can remember.

So my meals I eat tend to be quite large and it's a good thing I have a healthy appetite..I also use cyproheptadine (Brand name used to be Periactin...it's otc here in Canada), to stimulate the appetite. It always worked well in me. Can eat a lot more and you get hungrier much faster.

But all in all this GERD issue makes it harder to eat extra calories and sometimes I'm only making it to around 4000 and with me that's not enough to be ideal.

Still there's no question I am still gaining ground and benefiting from the cycle even without optimal intake of food. After all, even with no cycle at all, you could probably do 4 months of diligent heavy intake of calories and end up with a significant size growth from that alone.

Still the cycle is doing it's part..the pumps are there, the strength is going up and the overall shape and muscularity is hugely improved, but the actual scale numbers can still be the most stubborn number...

I had been told long ago to not use the scale as your measuring tool anyway, use your mirror. It's a far more accurate guide to the actual changes you are working on. If you still look far better at the end of a cycle even with the scale saying minimal difference, than you obviously did SOMETHING right. A lot of times there seems to be a significant transition period between reduction of fat and increase of LBM and this is massively helpful and definitely a step in the right direction. Obviously the way to really get to your long-term goals is to keep building on these results...just be sure you don't let them slide back down into pre-workout levels. I think that's the biggest key. I allowed that to happen years ago.

I had a few good cycles and they helped me each time get a little further along...but then I let my workouts slide and after a couple of years had passed, I slowly started regressing back to where my body was pre-cycles. What a waste that was. Good thing to remember....if you don't use it, you lose it.