ONT min wage

[Bowlcut]

Looks like Dalton is caving into the socialists and their demands.

$10.25 will be the highest in the country.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20090330.wminimum0330/BNStory/National/home

Watch unemployment increase as a result of this. People who have a marginal productivity that could only be justified being paid $8/hr won't be hired and they will be collecting welfare.

[Gettin'r'round]

Did you not read the weekend paper? Since Dalton's Ontario death bed conversion (he's realized that $30B in extra social spending in going to leave us broke, so know he's the pro-biz premier -too little too late) he's considering not going ahead with the min. wage increase. Remember most min-wages are paid to STUDENTS. And what do you think grocery stores are going to do? Eat the extra $? No, they will lay off people and violia! Less jobs! ****ing socialists are KILLING this province. I recently learned that a company that went bust (leaving 300 people jobless) last year went bust due to the high CDN dollar and the bank's itchy feet. The machinery is now in mexico and I wonder if they might have stayed if Dalton Dad didn't tax the life out of the private sector to fund the unionized social workers.

Man i'm pissed and hopefully dalton's days are so over. It's time for the Common Sense revolution part II!!!!!!!!!!!!! Thing is a lot of high paying jobs are gone for GOOD! Way to go Dalton!

[natenator]

*chant*

bring mikey back
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[PJD]

Very good point about the welfare....however most employers probably don't have that luxury and have to hire someone for the position.....Maybe higher turn over as a result if they think someone better has come along. Ultimately leading to less workplace stability and uncertainty with your job.

It will also probably affect the individuals who are not making minimum wage in the work setting. They will most likely start to think they are worth more and so and so on....There will definately be an adjustment period. Also it will be interesting to see what happens to the small cities and towns whose economy is suffering to begin with.

Cheers!

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What is it currently at?

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Just read the article. 9.50. I don't know, I'm on the fence with this. Inflation is creeping up and 10 bucks just isn't what it used to be. You can hardly buy a decent meal with 10 bucks. By feeling, I think it's a good move to higher it. Economically, I am not sure as I don't know the economics involved to see if it's beneficial or detrimental to the common man. I don't care about big business or gov't coffers. I care a lot more for the common everyday working man.

[Gettin'r'round]

Since when does the government get to set wages? you are worth what your employer pays you. Most min. wage job are for students!!! It's as bad as the city of t.o. paying student grass cutters $22hr as that is "fair" WTF? no wonder the city has to raise taxes over and over, the mismanagement is insane. And now we let these same idiots set wages for the PRIVATE sector which pays for the idiocy of socialist gov't. Why don't we just bring up Castro and be done with the charade of democracy. it makes me SICK

[Bowlcut]

Gettin' Round he is going forward with the raise because of the flak he took this weekend.

Folks, lets remember inflation is caused by the government, and if we really cared about the poor we would have sound money based on gold or silver. That would also mean the end of the welfare sate.
The working man has been taking it in the ass since the creation of Big Government and central banks. The corporations love the power they have, and so do the D-team of society (aka politicians).

[Born2Juice4Ever]

What is it currently at?

I recall seing a chart around two weeks ago or less in the Citizen in regards pay brakets.

I think you may be correct.

getting'round....Castro is not in power anymore :D :D---I believe it is HIS brother, who (from what I understand) has a little better vision than Fidel ever had in his time:)---

B2J

[Gettin'r'round]

Ok Raul then, does it really matter which commie bastard it is? I mean come on.

Bowlcut- You suck man... Way to let me down. ****. This sucks. Gawd..

When are they going to learn you can't have a wonderful socialist safety net without big taxes, bigger debts and eventually the gravy train is going to derail?? The stats are if we continue the current growth in health care spending in 20yrs, 100% of gov't revenues will be going to health care. Nothing for education, roads, welfare, NOTHING! Not even debt interest which is going UP Up UP!!!!!!!!!!

[CanadianEagle]

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[Gettin'r'round]

They should increase it, some family can't afford to buy groceries or pay rent becuase of the increase in standard of living.

That sounds nice doesn't it? Whatever what gives gov't the right to tell the private sector how to set wages? Take a look over at France and Italy and tell me how it's working for them? Or why not go allllll the way and take a gander at Cuba? Seriously if you are stuck working minimum wage you should never had had children, that is just irresponsible and selfish. Also maybe you should have stayed in school instead of dropping out. Like I said before it's mostly students who work minimum wage, this way they realize they should stay in school and work hard at their studies.

I think a lot of people missed this in the budget but it's Christmas for welfare mom's. Social "stimulus" was the term used. Stimulate my ass. ****ing social services that will be NEVER be paid back as we are borrowing BILLIONS to pay for it. Soon the debt interest on a $200B debt will take a bigger and bigger bite. Have fun!

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By logic, it's all going to fall apart eventually. But before it does, I would like to have the best quality of life possible. When it falls apart, we'll all be in the same boat. Not just Canada, but most of the western world. So we'll all be going through the depression together. The problem now is that cost of living is going up but not salaries. Someone is making a lot of money but not the little guy. So at least force companies to make the little guy have at least enough to put food on his table. Not everyone who's not a student makes more than minimum wage. There are some 30+ year old's that make minimum wage too. Also a lot of immigrants make minimum wage. They need to put food on the table too.

[RagingRandy]

The issue is the minimum wage is not a wage that is meant to be lived on. Minimum wage jobs are meant for students an the like. If you are trying to survive off minimum wage it is likely you have no education to get a decent job. I think this will deter employers from hiring summer-time and part-time students.

Socialism has never worked. I am a frequent traveler to Cuba and have seen what socialism breeds. Socialism breeds dependence and laziness and will quickly suck the life out of you.

This is what I fear most about the current economic situation. The idea is being instilled in us that we can not survive without the government taking care of us. Once this is accomplished it will be very easy to control the masses.

The dichotomy of our inclusive society is that you are free to share thoughts and ideas as long as they hold to the mainstream. If you dare question the validity of common thought you are vilified thought of as close minded.

OK...I will end rant here.

Sorry for the hijack. Good points Gettin'r'round

[Born2Juice4Ever]

WHO is Raul??



B2J

[Bowlcut]

Everyone talks about minimum wage being necessary to get buy because cost of living increases, but that is like saying we need to a sickness without examining the causes of the disease.

I don't want to be a broken record but the reason cost of living always goes up is because of inflation of the monetary supply. Just think about it. In times of economic growth their is increased productivity that should drive prices down, generally. Think of computers or cell phones over the past 20 years and how the free market, through innovation, spreads wealth to even poor people.
However things like grain, cattle, hogs, are all priced in US dollars, and when the Fed expands the balance sheet (just look at M-2 in the past 5 years), you can see why prices keep rising.

There would be no need for a minimum wage if paper money did not exist, but this is what the government and elite try to do and confuse people.

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Everyone talks about minimum wage being necessary to get buy because cost of living increases, but that is like saying we need to a sickness without examining the causes of the disease.

I don't want to be a broken record but the reason cost of living always goes up is because of inflation of the monetary supply. Just think about it. In times of economic growth their is increased productivity that should drive prices down, generally. Think of computers or cell phones over the past 20 years and how the free market, through innovation, spreads wealth to even poor people.
However things like grain, cattle, hogs, are all priced in US dollars, and when the Fed expands the balance sheet (just look at M-2 in the past 5 years), you can see why prices keep rising.

There would be no need for a minimum wage if paper money did not exist, but this is what the government and elite try to do and confuse people.


Solution is to break the system and start anew a different way. Hopefully a better way with people that were born with a silver spoon in their mouths making all the choices for us. We have to create a system that works for everyone and not for the top of the food chain as it is now.

[faller]

Solution is to break the system and start anew a different way. Hopefully a better way with people that were born with a silver spoon in their mouths making all the choices for us. We have to create a system that works for everyone and not for the top of the food chain as it is now.

Yes, its called Capitalisim....

[Bowlcut]

Solution is to break the system and start anew a different way. Hopefully a better way with people that were born with a silver spoon in their mouths making all the choices for us. We have to create a system that works for everyone and not for the top of the food chain as it is now.

Well get rid of this corporate-government marriage. It is natural that the elites will dominate as long as we consent to a government that steals from us.

Best thing to do is remove legal tender laws and get rid of central banks which are not capitalism but a form of Big Gov socialism.

Just listen to Motorhead's "All the Aces"

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The only thing I know is playing rock 'n' roll,
I'm not a business man, I'm just in a good time band,
You don't let no-one know where the money goes,
Because of parasites I ain't got no rights,
All the aces, all the aces, all the aces
Held by people ain't got no faces

You know I don't know why you have to be so sly,
One thing I learned, I don't get what I earn,
But you get your share though you ain't nowhere,
All the aces, all the aces, all the aces
Held by people ain't got no faces

You know you're the boss but I'm the one it costs,
Gotta see the books, you give me dirty looks,
And you make me vomit and I ain't far from it,
You know you can rob me but you can't stop me,
All the aces, all the aces, all the aces
Held by people who ain't got faces

[faller]

The proper function of gov. really falls into only three categories.

The police: to protect men from criminals

The armed forces: to protect from foreign invasion

The law courts: to settle disputes among men according to objective law..

The true nature of gov. ofcourse is to controll every aspect of our lives.

Raiseing the min. wage will only end up hurting the very people that they want to "help" ....

[Gettin'r'round]

WHO is Raul??



B2J

You asked who Castro's brother was. So I answered. :lick

[natenator]

You asked who Castro's brother was. So I answered. :lick
lol