Gear. Expiry?

[xtr3m3m3t4l]

I have some Tren Ace, Sust 250 and some Winstrol 25mg caps.




I was just wondering how long these are good for. What's the best for storage and such. Thing's are working as I planned so I mya posepone my cycle. Just want to know how long they are good for.

[xtr3m3m3t4l]

Also it says UPP: Se '12 on the Sustanon
UPP:Aug '12 on the Tren

and BAK: Jan '13 on the winstrol.

So Are these the dates they are expired?

[Seth]

ya, 2012 and 2013

[canadianmuscle0803]

lol your products are good for years.

[cdnsoldier]

lol your products are good for years.

Yep. They are even good beyond expiry. The ppotency on anabolics leaves very, very slowly.

[canadianmuscle0803]

Yep. They are even good beyond expiry. The ppotency on anabolics leaves very, very slowly.

you are correct, ive done products beyond the exp date and they were still very potent.

[cdnsoldier]

you are correct, ive done products beyond the exp date and they were still very potent.


Anabolics are like benzos. Beyond the expiry date they degrade very, very slowly. Atcually they are alot stronger than benzos. They have been tested failry well beyond 5 years of expiry.

[dinosaur]

I believe expiry dates are when the product supposedly begins to decrease in potency. However, it can take a long time for this to happen. It is safe to assume that using an 'expired' ug product is ok for quite some time afterwards.

It's not like yogurt.

I've just finished using expired Sust and I'm still alive and it appeared to work well too.

[dinosaur]

Anabolics are like benzos. Beyond the expiry date they degrade very, very slowly. Atcually they are alot stronger than benzos. They have been tested failry well beyond 5 years of expiry.

This is very interesting. Where did you hear/read this?

[canadianmuscle0803]

This is very interesting. Where did you hear/read this?

i can't say where he got this info but he is correct, i have heard this before.

[cdnsoldier]

This is very interesting. Where did you hear/read this?


The expiration date of medication (chemical componds) is determined via Stabilty Testing of Active Substances etc. It is formalized by WHO and has international standards.

So let's say product A degrades in 10 years but product B degrades in 8 years, both will ave the same exp. date- usually 5 years from manufacture.

Exp. date usually means the date the product has been tested to lose potency. Let's say I have a pill that is set to expire 2011. It means that compond has been tested to star to lose potency in 2011. But what does that mean? Some pharmaceuticals lose upto 50% per year after expire and other lose 2% or whatever

Anabolics lose very little potency per year after expiry. There are exceptions such as HGH etc. Once it's made in vials it expires and is fragile but in pure powder form it lasts longer.

Deca was tested 5 years after expiraton and it only lost like 2.8% potency and that's very ,very little. Some anabolics lost even less potency so in sum it's a hard and strog chemical compound. Not fragile at all. LSD-50 on the other hand......

[cdnsoldier]

BTW you have to store them properly and I am assuming it was made by a Pharm company and not UG.

Here's a good read:


DRUGS PAST THEIR EXPIRATION DATE
Physicians and pharmacists are often asked if patients can use drugs after their expiration
date. Pharmaceutical companies, because of legal restrictions and liability concerns, will
not sanction such use and may not even comment on the safety or effectiveness of using their
products beyond the date on the label.
THE EXPIRATION DATE — The expiration date on the manufacturer’s package is based on
the stability of the drug in its original closed container. The date does not necessarily mean
that the drug was found to be unstable after a longer period; it means only that real-time data
or extrapolations from accelerated degradation studies indicate that the drug will still be
stable at that date. The expiration date for new drugs is usually 2-3 years from the date of
manufacture. Once the original container is opened for use or dispensing, the expiration date
on the container no longer applies. Retail pharmacists who repackage drugs, in accordance
with the standards of the US Pharmacopoeia (USP), label them with a "beyond-use" date, generally
one year from the date the prescription is filled.
SAFETY — The only report of human toxicity that may have been caused by chemical or
physical degradation of a pharmaceutical product is renal tubular damage that was associated
with use of degraded tetracycline (GW Frimpter et al, JAMA 1963; 184:111). Current tetracycline
preparations have been reformulated with different fillers to minimize degradation and
are unlikely to have this effect.
STABILITY — Shelf life is the time a product, stored under reasonable conditions, is expected
to remain stable (generally retain >90% of potency) (B Kommanaboyina and CT
Rhodes, Drug Dev Ind Pharm 1999; 25:857). Data from the Department of Defense/FDA Shelf
Life Extension Program, which tests the stability of drug products past their expiration date,
showed that 84% of 1122 lots of 96 different drug products stored in military facilities in their
unopened original containers would be expected to remain stable for an average of 57 months
after their original expiration date (JS Taylor et al, 2002 FDA Science Forum Poster Abstract,
Board AC-08, www.fda.gov, search "2002 FDA science forum"). Storage in high humidity may
interfere with the dissolution characteristics of some oral formulations. In one published
study, however, captopril (Capoten) tablets, flucloxacillin sodium (Flucloxin) capsules (a penicillin
not available in the US), cefoxitin sodium (Mefoxin) powder for injection and theophylline
(Theo-Dur) tablets stored under both ambient and "stress" (40°C and 75% relativehumidity) conditions remained chemically and physically stable for 1.5-9 years beyond their
expiration dates (G Stark et al, Pharm J 1997; 258:637). Amantadine (Symmetrel) and rimantidine
(Flumadine) remained stable after storage for 25 years under ambient conditions, and
retained full antiviral activity after boiling and holding at 65-85°C for several days (C Scholtissek
and RG Webster, Antiviral Res 1998; 38:213). In another report, theophylline retained
90% of potency for about 30 years (R Regenthal et al, Hum Exp Toxicol 2002; 21:343).
LIQUID DRUGS — Drugs in liquid form (solutions and suspensions) are not as stable as
solid dosage forms. Suspensions are especially susceptible to freezing. Drugs in solution,
particularly injectables, that have become cloudy or discolored or show signs of precipitation
should not be used. When oral drugs are in solution with dyes, however, color changes may
be due to degradation of the dye and not the drug. Epinephrine in EpiPen injections loses potency
after its expiration date; in one study, 5 of 7 autoinjectors contained less than 90% of
the labeled epinephrine content 10 months after the expiration date, without necessarily being
discolored or showing signs of precipitation (FER Simons et al, J Allergy Clin Immunol
2000; 105:1025). Drugs prepared by addition of a solvent before dispensing or administration
(such as suspensions of antibiotics for oral use or lyophilized drugs in vials for parenteral
use) tend to be relatively unstable in the liquid state. With ophthalmic drugs, the limiting factor
may not be the stability of the drug, but the continued ability of the preservative to inhibit
microbial growth.
CONCLUSION — There are virtually no reports of toxicity from degradation products of
outdated drugs. How much of their potency they retain varies with the drug and the storage
conditions, especially humidity, but many drugs stored under reasonable conditions retain
90% of their potency for at least 5 years after the expiration date on the label, and sometimes
much longer.

[cdnsoldier]

Damn that's a hard read: Here's the link, last line sums it up:

http://www.medicalletter.com/freedocs/expdrugs.pdf

[dinosaur]

Thanks for those posts!

That is great information that I did not know about. In my experience with the Sust, it was pharm made or at least appeared to be.

However, I was thinking about UG's and I wonder if this information can be applied to their products.

[cdnsoldier]

Thanks for those posts!

That is great information that I did not know about. In my experience with the Sust, it was pharm made or at least appeared to be.

However, I was thinking about UG's and I wonder if this information can be applied to their products.

It depends on the ethics of the UG lab.

[CBB loves Japan]

likely depends on the amount of preservatives and types used as well.

Keep out of sunlight.