Switching from SUS to Prop in week 4?

[Old-Dog]

I have had it with the bloat, break out's and the puffy face.

I find I am harder, leaner and more developed on Prop.

Can I switch from SUS to Prop at week 4?

I plan on using Prop 1.5mg EOD with winny 25mg daily. Proviron EOD. For the remaining 4 weeks.


Sound OK?

[waderow]

yeah, but dude, you seem to always be switching your gear all the time and then you end up having a ****ed cycle like your last one.

you really need to find something and stick it out.

is SUS suspension or sustanon?
I assume sustanon... your switch will cause a spike in blood levels (if sustanon) or a drop (if suspension), and then stabalize after 4 weeks.

you have 4 weeks left though, so switching wont change much, but will help with PCT as you will be able to jump right into it two days after your last jab.

[St]

What dose of sus are you taking per week.

[hyperlite32]

why not jab the Sust ED or EOD, it will keep stable blood levels and decrease (if not eliminate) some of the side you juts described.

[Old-Dog]

Everyday? Holy Snarkies...Ouch.

I do EOD. Sustaton. Blister pack. Organon.

250mg EOD. Stacked with 1ml Masteron.

I just think I am getting fat. lol.

Your right about botching my cycles up...

After this, back to basics

750mg per week enth. 600mg per week EQ. 20mg EOD proviron. Stacked with 4 weeks winny. 4 weeks anavar. 12 weeks total.

So, your saying I could switch to prop but blood levels will get buggered?

Although PCT will be easier?

[hyperlite32]

You can DEF. add in Prop instead of the sust. Being that the prop is fast acting. There will be alittle over lap of the prop over the longer esters in the sust. No big deal. I would shoot the Prop ED!

EOD if you HAVE to. The more stable you keep you blood levels the the better chance sides will be offset. Why are you not running a AI? That would help with the bloat. Aromasin at 12.5 to 25mg ED would be the normal dosing range...

[Old-Dog]

I can't find aroma around my parts,

Can use NOVA?

I was thinking,

1.5ml Prop week 5 EOD-Nova
1ml Prop week 6 EOD- HCG-Nova
1ml Prop week 7 EOD-HCG-Nova

HCG-Nova-Week 8

Done.

Then I am sticking with CYP-EQ...I never have issues with that combo.

[Blitz-Test]

I can't find aroma around my parts,

Can use NOVA?

I was thinking,

1.5ml Prop week 5 EOD-Nova
1ml Prop week 6 EOD- HCG-Nova
1ml Prop week 7 EOD-HCG-Nova

HCG-Nova-Week 8

Done.

Then I am sticking with CYP-EQ...I never have issues with that combo.

Nolva does not stop the conversion of testosterone to estrogen thus estrogen will still cause the bloat... SERMs and AIs are not interchangible

[Old-Dog]

Then what can I use.

Proviron? Arim?

Both?

Come off, and start over with what I know?

[Old-Dog]

Ok switch has been made.

So, I am doing 1.5ml prop 1ml mast week 4
Then 1m prop 1ml mast week 5
Then 1ml prop week 6.

EOD of course.

I am also using 25mg per day winny oral. Working nicely.

When do I start my HCG? And at what dose? I also have nova on hand.

[Praetorian]

Then what can I use.

Proviron? Arim?

Both?

Come off, and start over with what I know?

Yes you can use tamoxifen (nolvadex) and yes it will control estrogen related sides including water retention. It is not an AI and does not stop the conversion of test to estrogen but instead as a SERM it effectively attaches to the estrogen receptor and does not allow the estrogen to do its job as it now just floats around free.
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[Old-Dog]

What should I use beside the Nova?

Is there a better product to use with the HCG and when do I start the HCG and at what dose?

No mistakes this time.

Thanks.

[gustavo77]

I would not suggest nolva...aromasin is a better choice...25mg/day and run it through your pct as well...

Start the HCG immediately...run 500iu e3rd day, right up to 3-4 days before you start your pct.

A good pct would be the following:

Wk 1-3 clomid 50mg/day
Wk 1-5 Aromasin 25mg/day

[natenator]

I would not suggest nolva...aromasin is a better choice...25mg/day and run it through your pct as well...

Start the HCG immediately...run 500iu e3rd day, right up to 3-4 days before you start your pct.

A good pct would be the following:

Wk 1-3 clomid 50mg/day
Wk 1-5 Aromasin 25mg/day
he said he can't find aromasin...

[Blitz-Test]

Yes you can use tamoxifen (nolvadex) and yes it will control estrogen related sides including water retention. It is not an AI and does not stop the conversion of test to estrogen but instead as a SERM it effectively attaches to the estrogen receptor and does not allow the estrogen to do its job as it now just floats around free.
P

hmm, never knew that got a link to where it shows serms mediate the same functions that cause water retention...

Alot of studies I have seen show clomid and femarelle cause water rentention in subcutaneous tissue

[gustavo77]

he said he can't find aromasin...

Thanks, i missed that...