ezturbo
26-03-2009, 12:28 AM
yoo.. I took the advice of the board and decided to ditch the gear and get myself healthy. My last shot was 375mg sust on Friday, and I started pinning HCG on saturday (1000iu) and again on tuesday (1000iu). Im following Gus's pct protocol:
Wk 1- HCG 1000iu x 2 (ie. mon, thurs), Aromasin 25mg/day
Wk 2- HCG 1000iu x 2 (ie. mon, thurs), Aromasin 25mg/day
Wk 3- HCG 500iu x 2 (ie. mon, thurs), Aromasin 25mg/day
Wk 4- Clomid 100mg/day, Aromasin 25mg/day
Wk 5- Clomid 50mg/day, Aromasin 25mg/day
Wk 6- Clomid 50mg/day, Aromasin 25mg/day
Wk 7/8- Aromasin 25mg/day
.. I really like the structure of it, and by researching the correlation of these compounds, I believe it will be truly effective. I usually spend more time reading research articles, but just for shits and giggles I read "Big Cat's Indepth HCG Protocol.. or whatever". Anyway he states:
"The downside is that HCG too is suppressive of natural testosterone. Because it takes the place of LH. LH is not the first step in the chain of command, instead its manufactured in the pituitary under the response of Gonadotropin releasing hormone (GnRH) which is secreted from the hypothalamus. And since an LH mimicking agent is supplied exogenously, the negative feedback signal to the hypothalamus will still tell it to stop making GnRH, and so no natural LH is produced. This is why the product is always used in conjunction with a potent estrogen receptor antagonist like clomid or Nolvadex. When the androgen level in the body has dropped, these antagonists will lower estrogenic response creating a steroid deficit that signals the Hypothalamus to start making GnRH. When it does, after HCG therapy, testicle size is up again and shortly thereafter natural testosterone manufacture should return to normal. But therefore its crucial that users note that though HCG is essential after long cycles, it shouldn't be used without clomid or Nolvadex AND HCG should be discontinued at least two weeks before coming off Clomid or Nolvadex or else it will suppress natural testosterone itself. "
-Reference: http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/cathcg.htm
So basically. My question is, should I be using clomid right now? Or should I stick to Gus's structure.
Im a little bit worried bout PCT depression, I was on for along time, and this really being my first PCT, Im a little worried I really ****ed up, ugh. It was fairly mild, just long, 500mg Test E for 16 weeks, the 4 weeks of tren ace @ 250mg/wk, and some dbol for about 5 weeks starting at about my 6week of Test E. I had really considerable gains, strength wise, size wise. When I originally started training again I was 210 Fat.. Ass.. Then I cut down to 180 16%BF during the summer. Started training really hard and really focussing on my diet, then started juicing. Im at the end now and im 6'0 210lbs 8-9%bf (not caliper). Couldnt be happier, besides the occasional shit talking of the trainers in my gym (I ****ing blew up.. Quick), I truly understand the fundamentals of this sport. 25% Training, 25% Nutrition, 25% Sleep, 25% Attitude, and maybe a bonus 10% Steriods. Steroids wont give you muscles, they will help you build them though, you still gotta put in the work. Eating is the biggest thing I truly notice with gains now, depending on how Ive eaten that week, and how consistant my macros count are, I can definatly notice its impact on my training/sleep/overall everything. Finally something in life worthy of time, instead of pissing away my times at the bar, and god only knows what else. Bodybuilding saved my life.
And wow my acne is getting terrible, and I wake up drenched in cold sweat, similiar to when I was on tren over a month ago. Can I just dub that too unstable hormone levels?
Cheers to some insight on what I can expect for PCT.
:hu
Wk 1- HCG 1000iu x 2 (ie. mon, thurs), Aromasin 25mg/day
Wk 2- HCG 1000iu x 2 (ie. mon, thurs), Aromasin 25mg/day
Wk 3- HCG 500iu x 2 (ie. mon, thurs), Aromasin 25mg/day
Wk 4- Clomid 100mg/day, Aromasin 25mg/day
Wk 5- Clomid 50mg/day, Aromasin 25mg/day
Wk 6- Clomid 50mg/day, Aromasin 25mg/day
Wk 7/8- Aromasin 25mg/day
.. I really like the structure of it, and by researching the correlation of these compounds, I believe it will be truly effective. I usually spend more time reading research articles, but just for shits and giggles I read "Big Cat's Indepth HCG Protocol.. or whatever". Anyway he states:
"The downside is that HCG too is suppressive of natural testosterone. Because it takes the place of LH. LH is not the first step in the chain of command, instead its manufactured in the pituitary under the response of Gonadotropin releasing hormone (GnRH) which is secreted from the hypothalamus. And since an LH mimicking agent is supplied exogenously, the negative feedback signal to the hypothalamus will still tell it to stop making GnRH, and so no natural LH is produced. This is why the product is always used in conjunction with a potent estrogen receptor antagonist like clomid or Nolvadex. When the androgen level in the body has dropped, these antagonists will lower estrogenic response creating a steroid deficit that signals the Hypothalamus to start making GnRH. When it does, after HCG therapy, testicle size is up again and shortly thereafter natural testosterone manufacture should return to normal. But therefore its crucial that users note that though HCG is essential after long cycles, it shouldn't be used without clomid or Nolvadex AND HCG should be discontinued at least two weeks before coming off Clomid or Nolvadex or else it will suppress natural testosterone itself. "
-Reference: http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/cathcg.htm
So basically. My question is, should I be using clomid right now? Or should I stick to Gus's structure.
Im a little bit worried bout PCT depression, I was on for along time, and this really being my first PCT, Im a little worried I really ****ed up, ugh. It was fairly mild, just long, 500mg Test E for 16 weeks, the 4 weeks of tren ace @ 250mg/wk, and some dbol for about 5 weeks starting at about my 6week of Test E. I had really considerable gains, strength wise, size wise. When I originally started training again I was 210 Fat.. Ass.. Then I cut down to 180 16%BF during the summer. Started training really hard and really focussing on my diet, then started juicing. Im at the end now and im 6'0 210lbs 8-9%bf (not caliper). Couldnt be happier, besides the occasional shit talking of the trainers in my gym (I ****ing blew up.. Quick), I truly understand the fundamentals of this sport. 25% Training, 25% Nutrition, 25% Sleep, 25% Attitude, and maybe a bonus 10% Steriods. Steroids wont give you muscles, they will help you build them though, you still gotta put in the work. Eating is the biggest thing I truly notice with gains now, depending on how Ive eaten that week, and how consistant my macros count are, I can definatly notice its impact on my training/sleep/overall everything. Finally something in life worthy of time, instead of pissing away my times at the bar, and god only knows what else. Bodybuilding saved my life.
And wow my acne is getting terrible, and I wake up drenched in cold sweat, similiar to when I was on tren over a month ago. Can I just dub that too unstable hormone levels?
Cheers to some insight on what I can expect for PCT.
:hu