Aromisin, Adex, nothing

[tiramisu]

I have to admit to being extremely inconsistent with my use of adex.
When I was having some bloating, bp issues during my bulking cycle I found myself using .5 mcg eod (test/dbol) but currently during cutting (test/tren) I have found myself mostly skipping the adex.

Is there any point in using adex prior to pct if there are no significant estrogen sides?

Is aromasin a better choice than adex when there are estrogen sides during cycle?

Am I setting myself up for a more challenging pct or is this mostly irrelevant to pct?

[tex]

dont use it if you dont need it! i think ai's are over-used(sp?) during cycles. aromasin is a way better choice as it wont kill you sex-drive and lipid profile......

[Praetorian]

First off Aromasin is always a better choice AI then Arimidex based on what Arimidex does to your blood lipid profile. As well Aromasin is much more efficient at inhibiting aromatase. Off season cycling should only include an AI if you are experiencing estro related sides...if not they are not necessary. For PCt they are essential.
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[Big D]

dont use it if you dont need it! i think ai's are over-used(sp?) during cycles. aromasin is a way better choice as it wont kill you sex-drive and lipid profile......

x2 - you dont have estrogen side effects, there is no point on using it. your just hindering your gains for nothing.

[Boulderer77]

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[gustavo77]

Just how bad is Arimidex on lipids? Is running short term Adex on cycle really that worse than the tons of people running around with poor cholesterol?

I've ran adex on and off for the past year and my lipids are great...IMO genetics plays the largest role cholesterol issues. If cholesterol is an issue then Aromasin is the best option. The thing with Aromasin is it needs to be dosed ed, as the half life is relatively short, approx 24hrs.

I do not agree with the idea that proper use of AI's on cycle can negatively effect gains. I think that is a bunch of bullshit passed on online... yes estrogen is needed for gains and overall health. But how much??

When a guy takes 5x the normal amount of test, how much higher than normal do you think his estrogen levels will be?? I would venture to say much higher than normal... Now take a moderate dose of an AI and what should happen is estrogen should lower to approx. normal levels and test will remain high. What dose is the proper dose of AI?? The answer to this is to experiment, as everyone is different. Although there are some starting points or guidelines, everyone will need to experiment a little to determine what is the best dose and even what is the best AI for them individually.

I am also going to say that I personally believe that high estrogen levels can negatively impact gains. I feel like shit when i do not take an AI, my sex drive and performance sucks and i get gyno. I am gonna try and locate the info i read a while back but it stated that high estrogen levels can increase SHBG which binds to free test rendering it useless.

[Gettin'r'round]

Water weight are not gains. I'm convinced that the whole myth of diminished gains are simply lower bodyweight from lack of bloat.

[C-money]

Water weight are not gains. I'm convinced that the whole myth of diminished gains are simply lower bodyweight from lack of bloat.


x2

[hyperlite32]

I've ran adex on and off for the past year and my lipids are great...IMO genetics plays the largest role cholesterol issues. If cholesterol is an issue then Aromasin is the best option. The thing with Aromasin is it needs to be dosed ed, as the half life is relatively short, approx 24hrs.

I do not agree with the idea that proper use of AI's on cycle can negatively effect gains. I think that is a bunch of bullshit passed on online... yes estrogen is needed for gains and overall health. But how much??

When a guy takes 5x the normal amount of test, how much higher than normal do you think his estrogen levels will be?? I would venture to say much higher than normal... Now take a moderate dose of an AI and what should happen is estrogen should lower to approx. normal levels and test will remain high. What dose is the proper dose of AI?? The answer to this is to experiment, as everyone is different. Although there are some starting points or guidelines, everyone will need to experiment a little to determine what is the best dose and even what is the best AI for them individually.

I am also going to say that I personally believe that high estrogen levels can negatively impact gains. I feel like shit when i do not take an AI, my sex drive and performance sucks and i get gyno. I am gonna try and locate the info i read a while back but it stated that high estrogen levels can increase SHBG which binds to free test rendering it useless.

Very well said.

[SmallieBigs]

Water weight are not gains. I'm convinced that the whole myth of diminished gains are simply lower bodyweight from lack of bloat.

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[z83]

Water weight are not gains. I'm convinced that the whole myth of diminished gains are simply lower bodyweight from lack of bloat.

agree

I've gained a solid 13-14lbs from test E and t-bol since I started my cycle and i'm running Letro at 2.5mg/day (killing gyno drol gave me)

[gustavo77]

Water weight are not gains. I'm convinced that the whole myth of diminished gains are simply lower bodyweight from lack of bloat.

My thoughts exactly....for some people, if do not "blow up" on a cycle they think they are not gaining...

[tex]

why pump more chemicals into yourself than necessary?

[Praetorian]

Just how bad is Arimidex on lipids? Is running short term Adex on cycle really that worse than the tons of people running around with poor cholesterol?

Actually worse than you would think. With the use of Adex the HDL levels of many BB has steadily declined. I ve seen and heard this first hand from my client (Doc) who works exclusively with BB. Once the adex has been removed and replaced with a different AI or nolvadex the levels seem to stabalize into the normal range. Aromatization is an individualistic thing...so the use of an AI durng cycle is a must for some and for others it isnt. The issue is complicated but to keep it simple if you dont see estrogen related sides while on cycle then why push estrogen lower. If you do then use enough to control the sides themselves. Dimishing gains comes into play when taking an AI when it is unnecessary. Clumping everyone into the same category and saying AI's do not diminish gains is very naive. Just because one person feels good using an AI doesnt mean someone else will feel the same.
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[Praetorian]

My thoughts exactly....for some people, if do not "blow up" on a cycle they think they are not gaining...

Very true, but this is a clear indication of a newbie or someone with relatively little knowledge of aas and the body.
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