Novla or Clomid

[aky]

After reading this post http://www.canadabodybuilding.com/forums/showthread.php?t=6450 i'm wondering what is better for PCT.

I also have Aromasin (throughout cycle) and HCG.

Cycle will be lite. Not final but something like this

wk 1-12 500mg Test
wk 4-8 50mg Tren ED
wk 1-12 Aromasin 12.5 ED
wk 1-14 250iu HCG x2/wk

[OntariOMuscle101]

Why not use Clomid/Nolva together? Each one is great but together is even better. IMHO

[gustavo77]

First, why are you only taking the tren for 5 weeks. I say 6-8 weeks of tren ACE is the min. Start the HCG from week one, 250-500iu 2x per week. Run the HCG right up till 4 days before you start pct. PCT start time will depend on which ester of test you run. This is the pct that i generally run:

Wk 1-2 clomid 100mg/day
Wk 3 clomid 50mg/day
wk 1-5 Aromasin 25mg/day

[dinosaur]

I agree with Gustavo's break down. I like to use Nolva and aromasin together and sometimes letro or adex by themselves.

I don't agree on the length of Tren A though. I used to run single bottles of Tren Ace solely for 4 weeks each time. This was when I started in highschool. I saw huge gains, but most people do on their first try.

Of course now I just always use it :)

[hyperlite32]

If you had to choose one, it seems that Clomid is better suited for PCT recovery.

[gustavo77]

The reason i use clomid is from my own research and experience, nolva was a very poor choice. Many will argue and post all kinds of articles but the truth is that the clinical data is actually not there to support nolva's effectiveness at increasing LH or test.

Clomid has gotten a bad rep due to the sides some experience. These sides are generally attributed to the doses taken...in excess of 100mg/day... clinical data does give us a glimpse at what clomid can do at just 25mg/day:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16422830

[gustavo77]

Let me also say that the 100mg/day of clomid that i suggested may be more than what is needed for some men...if you get sides, reduce the dose to 50mg/day. The reason i suggested 100mg/day for the first two weeks was due to the suppression of tren. For most young men 50mg/day will suffice but the Aromasin should stay the same. Estrogen control is of utmost importance in PCT.

[tripleA]

i'd use both. it's not that expensive.

[Dk]

Why not use Clomid/Nolva together? Each one is great but together is even better. IMHO


i'd use both. it's not that expensive.

dont they compete for receptors though?

[kloan]

I'm running Nolva only. I sure as hell hope it's enough. I used HCG up to a few days before I started the Nolva.

Really wish I was sent the proper item in the first place. I'd feel a lot better in my own mind if I was running Aromasin along with it.

[Dozer1980]

ive read and heard that nolva and clomid work better together as well this is my pct


wk1 40mg nolva ED/50mg clomid ED
wk2 20mg nolva ED/40mg clomid ED
wk3 20mg nolva ED/40mg clomid ED
wk4 20mg nolva ED/40mg clomid ED

[juggybuggy]

I also like to run them both, clomid 50mg/nolva20mg everyday.
but in the past I have used nolva by itself, and it seemed to work just as well for keeping gains.

[aky]

ok started on monday. taking omnadren EOD. havent started any aromasin or hcg. is there any point starting these if im only doing omna. thinking to wait on the aromasin/hcg til a wk before adding tren, thoughts?