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smithmitchelle
21-03-2009, 01:17 AM
Hey guys, I have been MIA for a bit because of work/school.

Just an update: I finished my first cycle (Test Enan, pcts) learnt a lot on training and nutrition. Thank you all that helped me out with the bumps along the way while I was on it. I've now learnt as well the importance of training post-cycle to keep gains.

Up ahead I have 2 Cycles that I am planning and would love anyones inputs and criticism

First my current stats:

Age: 23
Height: 5'11
Weight: 191 lb.
Maintainence Calorie Value: ~2500
Bodyfat: 15.5-16% (7 point Caliper method) though seems like my bodies preffered fat deposits are the gut(29%)


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Cycle 1: Cutting Cycle - 8 Weeks

Method: Cyclical Ketosis Diet
a) Start off 2 day no carb 80% Protein 20% Fats
b) Then 5 days 60/30/10 then 2 day carb up at 40/40/20
c) 6 days 60/30/10 then 1 day carb up "
d) ... repeat till end
e) 500-800 Calorie Deficit from Maintenance Calories

Supplements:
1. Protein!!! some good old EAS chocolate whey protein
2. Glutamine to protect against muscle catabalism and repair
3. Clenbuterol - 2 week pyramids Alternating with-
4. ECA stack - 2 week cycles.
5. A couple doses of Benadryl - to freshen up the beta-2 receptors
6. in case of diet emergency: White Kidney Bean Extract and Nopal Cactus Pills to block partial absorption when needing to cheat meal.

Fitness:

1. 18 Degree jogging 20 minutes 3 x week
2. 3 x 45 min spin classes 3 x week
3. Full 4 Day Split workout at 6-8 rep failure


Goals

1.5-2lb/ week for a total of 12-16lb or ~6% BF


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Massive Bulk Cycle - 16 weeks

Hopefully I will be at 175-179 at 10% BF

Method:
a) Calorie Intake at 5000-6000
b) at a 40/40/20 ratio

B]Supplements:[/B]
1) Protein!!
2) Testosterone enanthate 1-16 - 500mg x week
3) Nandrolone decanoate 1-13 - 400mg x week
4) Dbol 1-4 - 50mg x day <--- Have it on hand
5) Nolva & HCG for pct <-- Have it on hand


Fitness:
a) 5-Day Split including failure reps, partial reps, dropsets
b) Routine switches every 4 weeks

Goals

15-20lb to bring me to 190-195lb. @ ~10%BF

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:fback Please leave me any feedback you can, I am going to be making a Log once I start with full detail. Any strategies or suggestions are more then welcome:fback

HeavyD
21-03-2009, 03:11 PM
personaly i would bulk now and then, cut...your only at 15&#37;bf, so if you eat clean you should not go above 20-21%bf, then cut.

i would focus on one thing at a time, instead of planning something 4 month down the road... but i get it you are just looking for input...not sur if you ran dbol before?...but its great i ran @ 35mg/day... and it puts an S on your chest... when ever i got tired i put on a little more weight, and i could do it!

waderow
21-03-2009, 06:02 PM
its well thought out, so go for it, giver it a shot.
i personally think you will be better off cutting afterwards, or not cutting at all and over 16 weeks or whatever gradually lose, as you appear to be on top of your diet

16 weeks is a long cycle, so you could easily put on a fair bit of muscle, while losing or recomping a lot of fat. you will look chubby as hell at first from water, so keep up the cardio, and watch the diet.

note: run your dbol after a couple weeks not right at the front

Iwant2Grow
22-03-2009, 08:00 PM
question--- wouldn't deca and and dbol not be good together ...because dbol could feed in the the prolcatin(?) sides of the deca ?

not sure but i think i heard that before ....

ezturbo
22-03-2009, 08:28 PM
^^^ :Have some caber and aromasin/adex/letro/nolva on hand.

O-Train
22-03-2009, 08:30 PM
If it were me I'd want to get bigger before cutting. I also think you won't lose as much muscle if you don't go quite as extreme with the dieting and do it over a longer period. Just my opinion.