What Is A Canadian

[Felinecougar]

What is a Canadian? A Canadian is a fellow wearing English tweeds, a Hong Kong shirt and Spanish shoes, who sips Brazilian coffee sweetened with Philippine sugar from a Bavarian cup while nibbling Swiss cheese, sitting at a Danish desk over a Persian rug, after coming home in a German car from an Italian movie... and then writes his Member of Parliament with a Japanese ballpoint pen on French paper, demanding that he do something about foreigners taking away our Canadian jobs.
- Anonymous

[pinhead]

And the men on the Canadian Bodybuilding forums think of all the beautiful beavers this country has :)

But the quote above is pretty accurate FC.

[randysavage]

What is a Canadian? A Canadian is a fellow wearing English tweeds, a Hong Kong shirt and Spanish shoes, who sips Brazilian coffee sweetened with Philippine sugar from a Bavarian cup while nibbling Swiss cheese, sitting at a Danish desk over a Persian rug, after coming home in a German car from an Italian movie... and then writes his Member of Parliament with a Japanese ballpoint pen on French paper, demanding that he do something about foreigners taking away our Canadian jobs.
- Anonymous


A newly landed Pakstani collecting 15 welfare cheques and already a millionaire in a few years due to his brilliance in running scams. Come to Toronto. Youll understand.



A newly landed Brazilian chick who just put out a 3rd. generation Canadian who wanted to run a private business because she was told not to breats feed her child in the water because it was a violation of health Canada....but a violation of "human rights". Thus said Canadian had to spend 40K on legal fees while not even landed status Brazilian got free legal help for her "case". Result: Business closed. Brazilian lady gets a new BMW,

That's Canada 2009 style.

[natenator]

A newly landed Pakstani collecting 15 welfare cheques and already a millionaire in a few years due to his brilliance in running scams. Come to Toronto. Youll understand.



A newly landed Brazilian chick who just put out a 3rd. generation Canadian who wanted to run a private business because she was told not to breats feed her child in the water because it was a violation of health Canada....but a violation of "human rights". Thus said Canadian had to spend 40K on legal fees while not even landed status Brazilian got free legal help for her "case". Result: Business closed. Brazilian lady gets a new BMW,

That's Canada 2009 style.
I'd agree with that. Sad.

[waderow]

dont get me started bro. canadian immigration, indian affairs, and the corrupt socialism around it can kiss my ass

[randysavage]

dont get me started bro. canadian immigration, indian affairs, and the corrupt socialism around it can kiss my ass
In many ridings the Chinese and Indian vote can carry you right across the finish line. I shudder to think what this country will be like in 20 years.

[ManInTheBox]

In many ridings the Chinese and Indian vote can carry you right across the finish line. I shudder to think what this country will be like in 20 years.

And the white man's vote wouldn't under the opposite circumstances?

I find it quite jovial how many individuals reproach immigrants and
predestine them to be the doom of society. Canada was founded (and ironically as some people think is happing now, subjucated) by immigrants. Apropos, unless you are a First Nations, your lineage will trace back to immigration.

The problem isn't (so much) the fault of the people, it is the deficiency of the system. $40,000 dollars is a preposterous court fee to pay I agree, yet that corresponds to a causal chain of detrimental events: Court fees are too much. Lawyers are paid too much. Judges are paid too much, Etc. Adequate levels of professional help are not readily available without a vast surplus of money. A good lawyer, especially a human rights one, can cost upwards of $300 an hour. Doing the math, said lawyer makes an (overrepresentive) salary of $526,000 a year.

That's serious coin that only trial lawyers see.

But thats what good lawyers charge. That is capitalism. They posess a fairly unique commodity (elite legal knowledge, vas experience) that few other merchants (peddlers) their kind have. The same goes for doctors. The practices of medicine and law are two highly paid fields because of all the work and knowledge they require to actually be proficient at them. Exceptional doctors save your life and reputable lawyers save your ass from becoming a semen-depository in jail. And they charge a premium for it. Thats what capitalists do.

I don't believe Justice should have a price tag attatched to it - it should be freely and readily acessible to all without delay...but the world doesn't work that way and never will...nobody works for free. Thats just the way it is.

[waderow]

And the white man's vote wouldn't under the opposite circumstances?

I find it quite jovial how many individuals reproach immigrants and
predestine them to be the doom of society. Canada was founded (and ironically as some people think is happing now, subjucated) by immigrants. Apropos, unless you are a First Nations, your lineage will trace back to immigration.

The problem isn't (so much) the fault of the people, it is the deficiency of the system. $40,000 dollars is a preposterous court fee to pay I agree, yet that corresponds to a causal chain of detrimental events: Court fees are too much. Lawyers are paid too much. Judges are paid too much, Etc. Adequate levels of professional help are not readily available without a vast surplus of money. A good lawyer, especially a human rights one, can cost upwards of $300 an hour. Doing the math, said lawyer makes an (overrepresentive) salary of $526,000 a year.

That's serious coin that only trial lawyers see.

But thats what good lawyers charge. That is capitalism. They posess a fairly unique commodity (elite legal knowledge, vas experience) that few other merchants (peddlers) their kind have. The same goes for doctors. The practices of medicine and law are two highly paid fields because of all the work and knowledge they require to actually be proficient at them. Exceptional doctors save your life and reputable lawyers save your ass from becoming a semen-depository in jail. And they charge a premium for it. Thats what capitalists do.

I don't believe Justice should have a price tag attatched to it - it should be freely and readily acessible to all without delay...but the world doesn't work that way and never will...nobody works for free. Thats just the way it is.

respect your opinion bro, but disagree.

when my great grandparents homesteaded here, they conformed to Canada. Maintained their own culture...of course to a degree, but never pushed it on anyone. they learned the language, and adopted the ways of this new land.

now, human rights commission enforces immigrants rights with an iron fist. a fascist iron fist. no habeas corpus.

the rights these immigrants are defending via our humans rights tribunals, are the aspects of life that they fled from to come to this once great country: Sharia. Hate wars (Israeli conflicts). Religious differences.


Now, do not get me wrong, as I am no racist. I call a spade a spade, and this is BS. I judge a man by his morals and actions, not his skin.
And most people are that way, not like your first sentence reads, which seems to accuse ignorance.

People are not daydreaming up the issues with welfare and social system abuse by newcomers to this country. This all paid for by tax $, and these $ are under represented by said immigrants.

I guess point is, immigration today is not like it was 100 years ago.

[randysavage]

And the white man's vote wouldn't under the opposite circumstances?

I find it quite jovial how many individuals reproach immigrants and
predestine them to be the doom of society. Canada was founded (and ironically as some people think is happing now, subjucated) by immigrants. Apropos, unless you are a First Nations, your lineage will trace back to immigration.

The problem isn't (so much) the fault of the people, it is the deficiency of the system. $40,000 dollars is a preposterous court fee to pay I agree, yet that corresponds to a causal chain of detrimental events: Court fees are too much. Lawyers are paid too much. Judges are paid too much, Etc. Adequate levels of professional help are not readily available without a vast surplus of money. A good lawyer, especially a human rights one, can cost upwards of $300 an hour. Doing the math, said lawyer makes an (overrepresentive) salary of $526,000 a year.

That's serious coin that only trial lawyers see.

But thats what good lawyers charge. That is capitalism. They posess a fairly unique commodity (elite legal knowledge, vas experience) that few other merchants (peddlers) their kind have. The same goes for doctors. The practices of medicine and law are two highly paid fields because of all the work and knowledge they require to actually be proficient at them. Exceptional doctors save your life and reputable lawyers save your ass from becoming a semen-depository in jail. And they charge a premium for it. Thats what capitalists do.

I don't believe Justice should have a price tag attatched to it - it should be freely and readily acessible to all without delay...but the world doesn't work that way and never will...nobody works for free. Thats just the way it is.


When my parents came here they had to pay $5 each for English classes and took them happily. They worked 3 jobs to make ends meet and never had use of any assistance (mind you , very little was offered). Never collected welfare. Never bitched that they were doctors in their country but had to wash dishes in Canada. Never expected anything and none was given. They worked hard and made it the old fashioned way- hard work.

My sister is a social worker for new immigrants coming into Canada. She works downtown Toronto. Talk to her what are the expectations of new immigrants coming into Canada. Talk to her about the Hong Kong businessman worth millions back home but wants welfare. Talk to her about the "engineer" from India who is surprised he will have to drive a cab so he goes on welfare instead because he's not getting that 122K a year job at Nortel. Talk to her about the immigrants who pull scams and try to rape our system by not only using what services are due to them but ABUSING those services over multiple years and under assumed names. Talk to her about the slum dog millionaires who own 5 homes under their relatives names, rent them to 30 people and still ask, no demand, a few welfare cheques while bitching how much paper work Canada has.

Talk to her about the Iranians who barely escaped with their lives from a repressive regime then come to Canada and BITCH that "Italy was better" (since Italy is a stopover country but boots their ass out once they find them). Talk to her about the Indians who lie and cheat their way over. Or the Chinese "students" who come here, get and education and rack up 100,000K in Student aid ( and ask some Canadians who are born here how hard it is to get) live off welfare and govt. assistance and then say "adios, back to China".

Canada is a joke. It always has been. Actually you don't have to ask my sister anything. Ask me. I got her the job she has now. Worked 5 years at it and almost killed a few guys towards the end. It's wholesale rape my friends.

I was on the front line of the filth coming into this country and I am telling you- we are ****ed. We raised our immigration numbers simply for CPP. we need them in here to pay out since they ****ed up the numbers when CPP was devised.. However what is coming in has ZERO interest in leading a productive life of paying taxes and working hard. And don't get me started on the Ethopians.

Are all like this? Nope. But too many are. About 20% are coming here ready to work hard. The rest have the impression Canada is candy land and to some it is. These people come from shit holes and come off the bandanna boat hands out. At least that's how it was in Toronto.

I should scan and post the list of available services to immigrants landing into Canada. It's about 5 pages long. Trust me, my parents, your parents/ grand parents had none of this shit. These guys don't even have to pay for TTC these days. Do you get free TTC? Free dentist? Free meals? Free halal meals? etc. etc. etc,


And nobody is putting down immigration. It's needed for a country to grow. The problem is Canadian policy. It's put immigrants on this pedastle that they don't belong on. You come here, you work hard or get the **** out. We don't owe nothing to nobody. wash dishes, dig ditches etc. Nobody cares what degrees you got at the Unversity of Southern Slumware. we need immigrants. We need the RIGHT kind of immigrant.

[ManInTheBox]

respect your opinion bro, but disagree.

when my great grandparents homesteaded here, they conformed to Canada. Maintained their own culture...of course to a degree, but never pushed it on anyone. they learned the language, and adopted the ways of this new land.


And new immigrants do not conform to the system here? If your regarding the exploitation of the system by poor migrants, it's fallible to assume that only they do so. Millions of home-born Canadians **** the system every year: from blue-collar tax fraud to welfare scams. Apparently, thats the system they are conforming hitherto.

"Culture-Pushing" is a white-male patriarchial statement (I'm not lumping you with the KKK, not personally attacking you) Because immigrants choose to celebrate and retain their culture it is often viewed by right-wingers that this is an affront to the "Culture" of Canada and an exertion to dissolve the classic image of Canadian society. I fail to see how the majority of immigrants pursue this course of action. For illustration, people complain about signs in Chinatown and Steeles/Kennedy region of Toronto being in Chinese only. The preeminent issue is that English/French are the only two official languages of Canada, and thus they should be displayed. I agree with the doctrine an official language should be present on all signage, private enterprise or otherwise, however to say it shouldn't be there at all is.

And is it right in the end to demand so otherwise? Take Quebec for example. Go anywhere beyond anglophone saturated areas like Montreal, and tell me which language is the predominant one displayed. French. What language do they speak to you at McDonalds? French. Even if they could speak English, they'd likely have heavy french accents that you can barely understand. How many English-speaking Canadians also understand French? Beyond the Maritime provinces, virtually nil. Pissed to drive through Quebec because you can hardly engage in normal conversation with a Quebecer? Well guess what, they are a distinct society within Canada and you are travelling through an area and society they have a stake claimed in. Just like Chinatown.


now, human rights commission enforces immigrants rights with an iron fist. a fascist iron fist. no habeas corpus.

Human rights comissions enforce human rights issues - regardless if you were a born citizien or a landed immigrant. With great predjucice. Its one of the greatest duties of the Courts. The writ of habeas corpus is unceasingly and readily available - its just that when a case heads to trial, this is already excluded as a possibility by the courts. Habeas Corpus is (almost) always declared during preliminary hearings. If it is determined sufficient evidence is available to proceed to trial, then the defendant is held for answer.


the rights these immigrants are defending via our humans rights tribunals, are the aspects of life that they fled from to come to this once great country: Sharia. Hate wars (Israeli conflicts). Religious differences.

If I deduce this correctly, you are claiming that immigrants appeal to human rights tribunals in an attempt to promote ethnic diversity via hate and agressive religeous promotion? Absurd. It is a Chartered Right to freedom of experssion. So long as it does not infringe on other's constitutional right. Thats why people are free to say "I hate Blacks" and "I hate Jews" and chant this mantra day long as they please, so long as they do not promote it.

Does the system fail good, honest Canadians at times? Sure it does. However, it is incongruous to assume that the lowest-common-denominator is representative of society and the system as a whole.

Are dishonest immigrants responsible? Sure bet they are. But that is their failure of adept moral character. It is a legal flaw when they get away with it, as it is by our own statutes that predicate it.

Same thing as the old saying "one bad apple doesn't spoil the whole bunch"

I agree the system needs tweaking, but to use a blanket philosophy that immigrants are the issue of the degregation of Canadian society is a fallacious generalization aggregated by the Conservatist media. And generalizations make for only weak inductive arguments.


*ANTI-FLAME DISCLAIMER*
This is not a flame to anyone. It is a purely philosophical and open discussion of ideology with the utmost of respect to debaters contained herein.

[ManInTheBox]

And nobody is putting down immigration. It's needed for a country to grow. The problem is Canadian policy. It's put immigrants on this pedastle that they don't belong on. You come here, you work hard or get the **** out. We don't owe nothing to nobody. wash dishes, dig ditches etc. Nobody cares what degrees you got at the Unversity of Southern Slumware. we need immigrants. We need the RIGHT kind of immigrant.

Thank you Randy. Precisely what I am attempting to illustrate. It's public policy that is the root.

[randysavage]

Thank you Randy. Precisely what I am attempting to illustrate. It's public policy that is the root.



I agree that the policy sucks but I see it another way.

Suppose I am born in some shit hole that if I stay there I will most likely die in some shit hole and have no way to improve my life.

I get the chance to enter a wonderful country full of opportunity and wonder. Most will argue the best country in the world. Remember I come from a country that just leaving you home can get you killed and I'm lucky to have toilet paper 1x a week.

So I'm in this country called Canada and what do I do? Follow public policy with my hands out or work hard to improve my status knowing that hard work can and will be rewarded?

As I said we are allowing the wrong immigrants in. They come here to rape and pillage not to build a new life. Bad policy or not their intentions aren't good from when they leave their shit holes.

I mean if you travel you will know what a country we have here. Sometimes I shake my head and think how ****ing lucky I am to be born in this country. I love it. When I stood in the Rocky mountains looked down into BC I thought I wasn't worthy even to step foot in this country much less call myself Canadian. This is heaven on earth or the closest you'll get. Considering the utter shit holes these people came from you'd think they would be more appreciative.

[waderow]

And new immigrants do not conform to the system here? If your regarding the exploitation of the system by poor migrants, it's fallible to assume that only they do so. Millions of home-born Canadians **** the system every year: from blue-collar tax fraud to welfare scams. Apparently, thats the system they are conforming hitherto.

"Culture-Pushing" is a white-male patriarchial statement (I'm not lumping you with the KKK, not personally attacking you) Because immigrants choose to celebrate and retain their culture it is often viewed by right-wingers that this is an affront to the "Culture" of Canada and an exertion to dissolve the classic image of Canadian society. I fail to see how the majority of immigrants pursue this course of action. For illustration, people complain about signs in Chinatown and Steeles/Kennedy region of Toronto being in Chinese only. The preeminent issue is that English/French are the only two official languages of Canada, and thus they should be displayed. I agree with the doctrine an official language should be present on all signage, private enterprise or otherwise, however to say it shouldn't be there at all is.

And is it right in the end to demand so otherwise? Take Quebec for example. Go anywhere beyond anglophone saturated areas like Montreal, and tell me which language is the predominant one displayed. French. What language do they speak to you at McDonalds? French. Even if they could speak English, they'd likely have heavy french accents that you can barely understand. How many English-speaking Canadians also understand French? Beyond the Maritime provinces, virtually nil. Pissed to drive through Quebec because you can hardly engage in normal conversation with a Quebecer? Well guess what, they are a distinct society within Canada and you are travelling through an area and society they have a stake claimed in. Just like Chinatown.



Human rights comissions enforce human rights issues - regardless if you were a born citizien or a landed immigrant. With great predjucice. Its one of the greatest duties of the Courts. The writ of habeas corpus is unceasingly and readily available - its just that when a case heads to trial, this is already excluded as a possibility by the courts. Habeas Corpus is (almost) always declared during preliminary hearings. If it is determined sufficient evidence is available to proceed to trial, then the defendant is held for answer.



If I deduce this correctly, you are claiming that immigrants appeal to human rights tribunals in an attempt to promote ethnic diversity via hate and agressive religeous promotion? Absurd. It is a Chartered Right to freedom of experssion. So long as it does not infringe on other's constitutional right. Thats why people are free to say "I hate Blacks" and "I hate Jews" and chant this mantra day long as they please, so long as they do not promote it.

Does the system fail good, honest Canadians at times? Sure it does. However, it is incongruous to assume that the lowest-common-denominator is representative of society and the system as a whole.

Are dishonest immigrants responsible? Sure bet they are. But that is their failure of adept moral character. It is a legal flaw when they get away with it, as it is by our own statutes that predicate it.

Same thing as the old saying "one bad apple doesn't spoil the whole bunch"

I agree the system needs tweaking, but to use a blanket philosophy that immigrants are the issue of the degregation of Canadian society is a fallacious generalization aggregated by the Conservatist media. And generalizations make for only weak inductive arguments.


*ANTI-FLAME DISCLAIMER*
This is not a flame to anyone. It is a purely philosophical and open discussion of ideology with the utmost of respect to debaters contained herein.


not going to get to much further into this, as we obviously do not see eye to eye, but I just wanted to make a couple points, that I think you do not see, or have missed.

Celebrating and retaining culture is one thing..... Pushing it on and changing Canada, its laws, and Canadas culture is another, and will always be met with contempt by ordinary Canadians

the human rights commission is used as a weapon to silence opponents.
You seem well read, or at the very least you use big words, so you must be aware of a man named Ezra Levant? He was the owner/publisher of the Western Standard magazine. He was taken before the commission for publishing muhummad cartoons.
You will get a kick out of this I am sure as this seems to interest you:

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Also, please read this book:

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[randysavage]

I am aware of tis guy. He's been vocal in fighting them. He's lucky he's wealthy though and has the money. A lot of small business owners don't. Kind of 1984'ish if you ask me.

[kingofthegeeks]

I certainly cannot be to opinionated about immigration, although my mother was canadian, i was born in Germany and my father was German. I didn't move to Canada until i was 4. Certainly most people would not consider me an immigrant but considering my first country of citizenship was germany, i had to apply for citizenship.

What bothers me about the current state of immigrants moving to this country is my opinion that for the most part they have no intention of conforming to Canadianism. Why do they have so many rights to protect their culture and religion however we have none in place to protect our culture. COnsider the East Indian fight to wear turbans instead of hats, even though the culture of our rcmp had been almost 100 years old they consoderted their cultutre more important and fought for a change, in my opinion no respect for our country. I won't even get into the gang violence etc. Certainly this isn't all immigrants but as far as i am concerned if you aren't willing to become a Canadian and respect our culture as much as we respect yours GO THE **** HOME!

[RagingRandy]

Those videos are brilliant. His opening statement says it all.