what do you guys think about this cycle

[Warrior]

Hello people....
new to the site... need some input....you know...a second opinion....
Here is what I'm planning.......
12 week cycle...containing T-Bol, Test E 400, T3, and Vinnie....
Breakdown:
Week 1-6..T-Bol and Test
Week 6-12..Test and T3
Week 10...adding Vinnie....dosing for 4 weeks.....finishing 2 weeks after te last test shot....starting pct......
Let me know what you think, and if you need more info.....

[Boulderer77]

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[methadone]

heh

how old are you? how much do you weigh? how tall are you and what do you think your body fat % is? how long have you been training?

after all that is figured out...how much and what kind of test are you planning on doing?

is this your first cycle?

[ezturbo]

Vinnie? Neat.

[gustavo77]

Other than what are your stats???...that cycle looks very well planned out... i like the fact that you have the vinny going right into PCT...

[declan]

Lol at the vinnie part. First time to see that in all the bb boards.

[Warrior]

here my stats:
34 years, 6 feet tall, weight 197, bf probably around 10-12%....

Training on and off since I was 16, but for the last three years it became a lifestyle for me.....I'm not a newbie to the weights, reason I'm asking your opininon is because this is my third cycle......the first one, and hey don't laugh too hard......try not to at least........I did oral only, yes the fear of needles creeped in when I was considering it......it was a 12 week, ouch! containing Var and Winstrol.....6 weeks of var, 2 weeks overlapped with vinnie then finished it off with vinnie......I got crazy ripped, it was a total body transformation....went from 200 lbs + and bf in the high teens, to 185 lbs with 5-7% of bf....I attached a couple of pics of the final result.....and regardless of it being a oral only.....I loved it!
Second cycle was Test E, dbol to start with, finished with vinnie....did not like the blowd I got from dbol....and from test.....then again my diet sucked, couldn't really focus on the cycle (relationship problems, took all my motivation away..anyway).....and if was a bulking cycle which I really don't like.....
Hence my reason for being here, I don't want to do a oral only cycle again, I chose this cycle for a reason of steady and lean bulk.....meaning from my stats now, I would like to reach the goal of 200lbs and seriously lean....5% bf......of course my diet will play a huge role, but I have no worries about that...I can put 100% of my focus into it now..... :)
So what do you guys think....will this be a good cycle considering my objectives? Or would you add or change something....I was also considering Tren and Test E only.....but I don't think I'm ready for the "Devil's Creation".....

[Warrior]

oops, not sure why these pics came out so huge.....

[gsxr750]

Cuz you JACKED!

[Praetorian]

What is the point of the T3? Are you dieting the last part?
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[Warrior]

T3 will take care of the "sticky fat"....the last few %.....the objective is to get down to around 5% of bf while putting on lean mass.......I also have a bottle of clen...but won't be using it while on the cycle, I might add it to my pct....not sure yet, I will have to see once I start the pct if I am going to be needing it....you know, loss of gains or bf% build up.....

[Warrior]

I just don't want to bulk and then cut....I hate bulking......want to do what you might call a body transformation again....lean mass up, bf down....you think this cycle will do the trick?

[Praetorian]

Well i hate to be the bearer of bad news but you can do one of two things....burn bodyfat and maintain muscle OR build muscle and add a little bit of unwanted BF as well....the problem being you CANNOT do both at the same time.
You could do a 16 week cycle...gaining the first 8 and dieting the second 8...that might be the trick for you.
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[Warrior]

I agree with what you saying but that's bulking and cutting.....and we all know that while building up lean mass the fat gets pushed out, the more lean mass you have the more calories you burn, right? So most of the battle as usual will depend on the nutrition......you use the word "dieting"....not doing that, I will not be getting into a calorie deficit, the only thing I will be doing is adjusting my carb intake, protein intake will be high and the calories will be moderate to high....cardio will be in place, and as for my routine, it will most likely be a mixture of going super heavy and light days.....the test and tbol should help me to add lean mass, t3 and vinnie should assist with bf burn...that is my thinking...but that's my thinking, so I'm asking advise, hoping that there is people out here that have used either of the compounds, and from their own experience could give me some feedback....

[Praetorian]

I agree with what you saying but that's bulking and cutting.....and we all know that while building up lean mass the fat gets pushed out, the more lean mass you have the more calories you burn, right? So most of the battle as usual will depend on the nutrition......you use the word "dieting"....not doing that, I will not be getting into a calorie deficit, the only thing I will be doing is adjusting my carb intake, protein intake will be high and the calories will be moderate to high....cardio will be in place, and as for my routine, it will most likely be a mixture of going super heavy and light days.....the test and tbol should help me to add lean mass, t3 and vinnie should assist with bf burn...that is my thinking...but that's my thinking, so I'm asking advise, hoping that there is people out here that have used either of the compounds, and from their own experience could give me some feedback....

Although it would be nice...unfortunately it is not possible. Your thinking however well meaning is flawed. You dont burn BF and build muscle at the same time. As i said you can only do one or the other not both...unless you choose to split the diet into two phases. The other thing is winstrol does NOT burn fat period. It is a cosmetic hardener which works well if BF levels are low. T3 burns calories not BF...it does this indescriminately as well. Yes the more lean mass you have the more calories you burn. But to build lean mass you need to be taking in more calories than you are burning. Not taking in more calories and then doing T3 etc to try to use them up. This is like trying to push and pull at the same time.
You really need to rethink things here as your plan is very flawed.
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[Warrior]

thanks man, I appreciate your feedback....and I know vinnie does not burn fat, makes you hard as rock though....used it couple of times and loved it.....you might be right and I might have to go back to the "drawing board" on this cycle.....I will wait a bit longer and see if other people will throw in their "two cents".....as I said, looking for advise and feedback.....