Insulin and IGF

[dinosaur]

Hi guys,

I've been reading cbb for a long time, but just signed up and this is my first post.

I'm beginning my HGH, Insulin and IGF cycle soon and I wanted to know if any of you had comments on what times during the day to inject these items. I've used IGF and Insulin in the past, but never at the same time and I wanted to know if you could inject at the same time, right after your workout? Not in the same slin pin, but at the same time.

In case you are wondering, I am using these in addition to steroids. I am an experienced user, but it just so happens that I've never used these three compounds together and I'd appreciate your thoughts.

Thanks guys.

[Monka]

Hmm, never gone with ALL them , but igf was one of my favoite componds when added with a nice cycle. Reached my all time high in weight..

[gustavo77]

The best way for me was to alternate the IGF-1 and Slin and run the GH throughout...i.e.

wk 1-4- GH+slin (humalog) PWO 10iu/10iu, split bi-laterally into the muscles trained. (work up to 10iu of slin)
wk 4-8- GH, 4-5iu in the morning, IGF-1 40-50mcg PWO, split bi-laterally into the the muscle trained.

Repeat..

If you are running another type of slin you may need to adjust the timing...

[dinosaur]

No, I am running the Humalog.

That sounds like a really good plan, thanks!

[Born2Juice4Ever]

Hmm, never gone with ALL them , but igf was one of my favoite componds when added with a nice cycle. Reached my all time high in weight..


IGF is trully magic for me too...but I found that last time I ran the compound I was getting similar peculiar side effects....




B2J

[gustavo77]

No, I am running the Humalog.

That sounds like a really good plan, thanks!

Make sure you start out with a low dose of the slin first...like 3-4iu, then work up gradually over the course of a few workouts to 10iu....ie, 4iu, then 6iu, then 8iu, then 10iu...make sure to adjust your carbs as you increase the slin...10grams of high glycemic carbs per iu of slin till you assess your tolerance...then you can try 7-8grams of carbs per iu of slin...but listen to your body..

What i do is take in 90-100grams of dextrose or waxy maze with the shot PWO, then 60 grams of whey 20-30mins later, then have a meal with about 50-60 grams of carbs and 60-80grams of protein 1-1.5hrs later..

[dinosaur]

I plan the post workout meals/carbs quite carefully when on slin. It's pretty scary stuff if you are not careful. Only once did I take my slin pwo, then quickly showered and left home forgetting about it. I will never make that mistake again. I had to stop to get Sprite and snickers bars to bail myself out, but that was irresponsible and shouldn't happen to people who take it seriously.

Would there be benefits to taking IGF and Insulin at the same time?

[O-Train]

Why Insulin, HGH and IGF-1 all together? What is the reasoning? Why not just IGF-1 by itself?

Arn't most of the anabolic effects of HGH because of IGF-1 anyways? What is the insulin for?

[Praetorian]

If its IGF-1 LR3 you are wasting your money. Unless you are using IGF-1 you wont get any muscle building effects. Patrick Arnold discussed this to death and provided the scientific explaination which i have posted in here previously.
IGF-1 is very difficult to obtain and requires frequent daily injections. The best youll get from LR3 is a decent glucose disposal agent....thats it.
Save your money and get some decent HGH yo can use it for fat loss and for mass gains...if you have enough. Insulin is only required if your gains come to a halt. Otherwise its halfhazrd usage will deposit much unwanted bodyfat.

"GH stacked with insulin will give you alot more circulating IGF-1 than IGF-1 injections alone or stacked with insulin"

"LR3IGF-1 was primarily developed for use as an in-vitro growth stimulator for cultures. I don't think it was ever intended for use in animals or humans. If it was, there would be a patent. I never saw such a patent and I agree its utility as an anabolic is quite low"

"Igf-1 is a great GDA because it is much more selective for muscle (and liver) then insulin (which has alot of spillover to fat"


P

[td1111]

The best way for me was to alternate the IGF-1 and Slin and run the GH throughout...i.e.

wk 1-4- GH+slin (humalog) PWO 10iu/10iu, split bi-laterally into the muscles trained. (work up to 10iu of slin)
wk 4-8- GH, 4-5iu in the morning, IGF-1 40-50mcg PWO, split bi-laterally into the the muscle trained.

Repeat..

If you are running another type of slin you may need to adjust the timing...
This is the generally accepted type of split. Because many believe that the body develops a tolerance to IGF-LR3 after a few weeks. And GH and insulin are taken together to produce your body's natural IGF.

[dinosaur]

O Hurley, I've read that these three compounds, when used in conjunction, can have a synergistic effect.

I have used insulin and IGF on seperate occassions in the past. Now I could say that I did see major results, but in each occassion I was also using (at least) Test, trenbolone and EQ so as you can see, it would be difficult to pick out what each compound was actually doing to my body. This is addressing Paetorians comment about the specific IGF that I 'am' using, not actually getting me massive :)

So, I would have to say I was pleased using them in the past on their own, but it could be solely because of the steroids. The next few months will hopefully tell me more about their abilities as I am using them with a less potent cycle of steroids (500mg test, 400mg eq) as opposed to 1000mg test, 600mg tren e, 600mg eq.

[gustavo77]

If its IGF-1 LR3 you are wasting your money. Unless you are using IGF-1 you wont get any muscle building effects. Patrick Arnold discussed this to death and provided the scientific explaination which i have posted in here previously.
IGF-1 is very difficult to obtain and requires frequent daily injections. The best youll get from LR3 is a decent glucose disposal agent....thats it.
Save your money and get some decent HGH yo can use it for fat loss and for mass gains...if you have enough. Insulin is only required if your gains come to a halt. Otherwise its halfhazrd usage will deposit much unwanted bodyfat.

"GH stacked with insulin will give you alot more circulating IGF-1 than IGF-1 injections alone or stacked with insulin"

"LR3IGF-1 was primarily developed for use as an in-vitro growth stimulator for cultures. I don't think it was ever intended for use in animals or humans. If it was, there would be a patent. I never saw such a patent and I agree its utility as an anabolic is quite low"

"Igf-1 is a great GDA because it is much more selective for muscle (and liver) then insulin (which has alot of spillover to fat"


P

I am not 100% sold yet on the the idea that IGF-1LR3 is totally useless for BB...i have some pretty good personal experience with it... i have always had a hard time with arm growth...approx 3-4 months after finishing a 2mg run of IGF-1LR3 (PWO into muscles trained) my arms had a MAJOR growth spurt...never in my almost ten years of BB had my arms grown that much in such a short period of time. Now there may be a chance that this is all coincidence but doubt it...

[waderow]

I am not 100% sold yet on the the idea that IGF-1LR3 is totally useless for BB...i have some pretty good personal experience with it... i have always had a hard time with arm growth...approx 3-4 months after finishing a 2mg run of IGF-1LR3 (PWO into muscles trained) my arms had a MAJOR growth spurt...never in my almost ten years of BB had my arms grown that much in such a short period of time. Now there may be a chance that this is all coincidence but doubt it...

i agree. IGF Long r3 is g2g. there are some knowledgable and rather large mofos running IGF. The main problem is the dosages are too small, and the peptide is allowed to degrade.