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Mr.Freeze
07-09-2007, 04:54 PM
WHATS NEXT!!! :mad: :mad:

Updated Thu. Sep. 6 2007 9:15 PM ET

Canadian Press

OTTAWA -- Despite heavy controversy over face coverings at the polls for the last Quebec provincial election, federal election officials say Muslim women will not have to remove their niqabs or burkas to cast their ballots in three federal byelections in Quebec on Sept. 17.

Revised electoral laws received royal assent in June and require that all voters prove their identity and residential address.

However, Elections Canada has introduced rules that allow women to vote without having to show their faces.

Spokesman John Enright said Thursday women wearing niqabs or burkas can bring a piece of identification with a photo and another document proving their identity when they vote. If they don't have the documents, they would have to be vouched for by a qualified voter in the same electoral division.

However, Enright says in cases where women wearing niqabs or burkas don't have any documents or someone to vouch for them, they would have to show their faces to allow their identity to be confirmed.

It's a similar approach adopted by Elections Quebec prior to the provincial election last March. Quebec's chief returning officer Marcel Blanchet was forced to backtrack after receiving threatening phone calls and e-mails as well as pressure from Quebec's three main political parties asking him to reverse the decision.

Since the incident, Blanchet has reflected on the question and may call on the Quebec legislature to modify electoral rules as early as the fall, obliging everyone to show their face when they vote, said spokesman Denis Dion.

Federal election authorities are well aware of the controversy. Spokesman Enright said in an interview with The Canadian Press that the rules are clear and voters in the three ridings had been warned of the changes.

"I have no indication of any reaction, positive or negative. This is the position of Elections Canada and we will hold the line,'' Enright said.

Two of the three byelection ridings in question are in areas where minorities are few in number and the issue is not expected to arise. However, the riding of Outremont might be the exception as it is a diverse multicultural neighbourhood in Montreal.

In Quebec, the debate over "reasonable accommodation'' when dealing with accepting the cultural practices of immigrants has become an increasingly thorny issue. It will be debated at public hearings beginning later this month.

While the federal parties involved in the upcoming byelections seem perplexed but unconcerned, reaction to the Elections Canada plan in Quebec has been more harsh.

The house leader of the opposition Action democratique du Quebec, Sebastien Proulx calls the decision a tremendous error.

"This debate has already taken place in Quebec and we know how quickly it can get out of control. To allow someone to vote with their face covered, if we don't allow it to everyone, we shouldn't allow it for others either,'' Proulx said.

A Parti-Quebecois spokesman said he was surprised to hear of Elections Canada's decision, qualifying the decision made on the provincial level a judicious one.

Michelle Asselin, president of the Federation des femmes du Quebec, says her organization was clear that the rules should be the same for everyone and is calling on Elections Canada to reconsider its decision.

"For us, all citizens, irregardless of religion, must be uncovered,'' Asselin said.

"Certainly, women should go and vote. But they should exercise this right with the same obligation that we have to uncover our face to obtain a driver's licence or a passport.''

The Sept. 17 byelections are in the Montreal riding of Outremont, the rural riding of St-Hyacinthe-Bagot and the Roberval-Lac-St-Jean riding north of Quebec City.

BrownDevil
10-09-2007, 08:55 AM
I fail to see how PM Harper is implicated in this. His latest statement clearly states him opposing this and he's lashing out at Elections.

trykillthis
10-09-2007, 11:51 AM
Seconded, Harper is pissed.

Mr.Freeze
10-09-2007, 03:03 PM
Yeah but think one way or a nother he has the power to do what ever he wants so for sure he would did something to change this! plus we had that problem a few month ago in the provincial election and everybody agree that no body his allowed to vote with any object that would hide their face and then the feds come over and says us we dont care Every body could vote i dont get it!:confused:

BrownDevil
10-09-2007, 03:15 PM
Harper is the leader of the party with the most seats, making him the Prime Minister. He doesn't have individual executive powers like what the President of a Republic has.

He may head the bureaucracies, but it doesn't mean that he has one hundred per cent control over them either. The Bureaucracy of Elections Canada still has a bleeding Red Liberal tinge to it, and this is just another one of those issues.

I'm praising Harper for actually speaking out against it and demanding change while there is time before the next Federal election.

Remember, if the Prime Minister in a Constitutional Monarchy like ours were truly responsible and able to make all the decisions (true Executive power), then old half mouth would be rotting in jail right now for the Sponsorship Scandal, not some high level bureaucrat.

I'm pretty confident that the first PM since Trudeau to actually have balls enough to speak out in the best interest of Canada as a whole (instead of acting as a lapdog to the US and certain "distinct" societies) will set in motion change that will not only protect our Rights and Freedoms, but also protect our Security as Canadians as well.

trykillthis
11-09-2007, 04:08 AM
Elections canada is kind of a separate entity from the ruling government as I understand it, so its a little hard to pass down orders to something out of your chain of command. This issue definately has a red stain on it as mentioned above.

brassbolt
11-09-2007, 10:27 PM
I like to know when we are going to stop bending all our rules for every different culture that moves into Canada . I'm not a hater of different cultures some of my best friends are from different countries .

BrownDevil
11-09-2007, 10:55 PM
I think that the rules will stop bending for other cultures when we stop bending them for cultures that are already here.

That means no Sundays for Catholics...business as usual.
No Fridays for Muslims...business as usual.
No Saturdays for Jews...business as usual.

We have to start from the top. No more religious school (Good Bye Catholic board), no more Religious allowances. No more swearing on Bibles or any other holy books.

Let's separate the ****ing Church/Mosque/Temple/Synagogue (ad nauseum) from the State already.

mandarb11
12-09-2007, 09:52 AM
I think that the rules will stop bending for other cultures when we stop bending them for cultures that are already here.

That means no Sundays for Catholics...business as usual.
No Fridays for Muslims...business as usual.
No Saturdays for Jews...business as usual.

We have to start from the top. No more religious school (Good Bye Catholic board), no more Religious allowances. No more swearing on Bibles or any other holy books.

Let's separate the ****ing Church/Mosque/Temple/Synagogue (ad nauseum) from the State already.

I agree with that! The only problem is we will lose 90% of our holidays! lol

faller
12-09-2007, 12:56 PM
I think that the rules will stop bending for other cultures when we stop bending them for cultures that are already here.

That means no Sundays for Catholics...business as usual.
No Fridays for Muslims...business as usual.
No Saturdays for Jews...business as usual.

We have to start from the top. No more religious school (Good Bye Catholic board), no more Religious allowances. No more swearing on Bibles or any other holy books.

Let's separate the ****ing Church/Mosque/Temple/Synagogue (ad nauseum) from the State already.

Hell ya bro, it worked for Hitler and Stalin... :eek:

mandarb11
12-09-2007, 02:33 PM
Hell ya bro, it worked for Hitler and Stalin... :eek:


Hahaha you see the parallel too hey bro?

BrownDevil
12-09-2007, 03:21 PM
You guys are funny.

And I see the irony in it too.

My point is simply that all this accommodation is going overboard. I've always held that Religion is a personal thing and it should stay way. Worship in your house of worship and at home. Leave it out of the workplace.

Veils can be removed for verification purposes and these can be done in private areas...after all isn't that why all these Women only Goodlifes are popping up all over the place?

Instead of circumventing Security, why not have a cordoned off area for a verification to be done, the same way that it is done at a salon for women of the Islamic faith?

I just think that Religion in our day to day and its implication on others has gotten to be a little ridiculous.

shithead
12-09-2007, 03:41 PM
I think we should take religion out of everything too. Just bullshit. Tory wants to give money to faith schools. To make them equal to catholic.

You know what??

Harpers' wife works for the separate(catholic) school board and his kids go to separate schools!

shithead
12-09-2007, 03:44 PM
Why do women have to wear veils anyway??

Are women considered lower than men??


Just a question.

faller
12-09-2007, 04:22 PM
Harper wants to give money to faith schools.

Kool and about time. Here's how it works in B.C., we pay school tax's which is fine. My daughter go's to a Christian school which costs us about $7,000 a year, again fine , it was a personal choice. But here is where it gets pisswacky. The gov. only give's us back 50% of the tax's i pay. The other 50% still go's back to the public school sytem which we no longer use.


I agree with you guy's though, it's gone way overboard. When you try to please everyone you only end up pissing off everyone..


Why do women have to wear veils anyway??

So men aren't over come with sexuall urge's. Seriously ****ed up, i know.

Gib
14-09-2007, 11:22 PM
You know, it always amazes me how people from shithole countries come to our nation, and demand to live their lives the way they did in their shit hole countries.

Guys, you came to a great country because of the opportunities it afforded, didnt you? Why try to make our nation more like our old one then??

Of course, im not the most 'sensitive' (faggy) guy out there...

BrownDevil
14-09-2007, 11:36 PM
Meanwhile, the rest of "Canadians" must have just popped up through the ground that lays beneath us.