TREN first time questions

[Hick123]

starting my new cycle next month looks like this. I like short cycles cause I recover faster and feel I don't really see much gains after week 8 on test E. This is myy first run with Tren A though.

8 Week Short Cycle:

-HGH : 4iu / day (5 days on 2 off)
-Test E : Week 1-6 300mg/week
150 mg MONDAY & FRIDAY
-Tren A : Week 3-8 300 mg/week
100 mg MON / WED / FRIDAY
-Arimidex: .50 mg every third day

PCT: 4 weeks

Chlomid : 50/50/25/25
Nolva : 40/30/20/20


Questions:
1 - Do I start with a low dose of tren (50mg) to see what it's like and then go up from there?
2 - Should I up the dose of test? Last run I had some heavy bloat near end of cycle hence the smaller dose.
3 - Is the Arimidex dose enough to keep bloat down and should I run it in PCT as well?

Cheers

[natenator]

I'd switch to prop or suspension over enanthate. Waste if running for 8 weeks only.

I'd start 75mg EOD on tren and assess.

HGH.. what are your goals here? Fat loss\recomp or size? If size, up to 8IU or don't use at all. 4IU is a waste for size.

[420]

Tren shuts you down hard. You should throw some HCG in the mix after your cycle, it will make your recovery faster.

[waderow]

i totally do not understand your view about not getting gains off test e after 8 weeks. For 99% of the juicers out there, this is when it starts getting good. At the 8 week mark.

I think your training or diet may be affecting your gains.

for 6 weeks of test e, I wouldn't even bother. test prop..... maybe, but even then too short. i would go 12 weeks.

[waderow]

Questions:
1 - Do I start with a low dose of tren (50mg) to see what it's like and then go up from there?
Cheers
no, the acetate ester is out quick, so at 300 per week, will not be too bad if you decide to lower dose or bail, but I would def up test to at least 500 per week and go 12 weeks minimum.


2 - Should I up the dose of test? Last run I had some heavy bloat near end of cycle hence the smaller dose.
Cheers
yes...see above 500 per week. what is your BF %?


3 - Is the Arimidex dose enough to keep bloat down and should I run it in PCT as well? Cheers
plenty


post some stats on body, cycle experience and training etc.

[Hick123]

NATENATOR- I am goin to go with Tren A not E. And the HGH is for fat loss, energy, and to try with this cycle. I started 2 months ago and will be at the 3 month mark when this cycle starts.

420 - i keep hearing from people to use hcg. I have some on hand but have never needed to use it in the past.

WADEROW- I just have always seen most of my gains in week 5-8 on Test E. A 12 week cycle I ran before was the last time I did more than 8 weeks. Just workd for me. I also seem to get all the sides in the last 2 to 4 weeks of 12 week Test E cycles.

So should i try a lower diose of tren. Say 50mg EOD, then 75mg and so on?

[Hick123]

stats

28
5'10
190
bodyfat. havent checked in a while but is fairly low

[natenator]

NATENATOR- I am goin to go with Tren A not E. And the HGH is for fat loss, energy, and to try with this cycle. I started 2 months ago and will be at the 3 month mark when this cycle starts.

420 - i keep hearing from people to use hcg. I have some on hand but have never needed to use it in the past.

WADEROW- I just have always seen most of my gains in week 5-8 on Test E. A 12 week cycle I ran before was the last time I did more than 8 weeks. Just workd for me. I also seem to get all the sides in the last 2 to 4 weeks of 12 week Test E cycles.

So should i try a lower diose of tren. Say 50mg EOD, then 75mg and so on?
Oh sorry. Read wrong.

Switch to Tren A and also switch your test. No point of long acting on such a short cycle.

I'd say your training and diet is off if you are not seeing gains past the 8 week mark. Could be the motivation goes away for a bit which is quite common. Consistency and the ability ot keep plugging away when you don't feel like it is the key to this lifestyle.

[waderow]

in my experience, sides generally are more profound when hormone levels fluctuate. what is or was your shot frequency when you suffered sides after 8 weeks? and what sides are we talking?

at 300mg per week or whatever, I would think you could run it for life and not get sides

[Hick123]

I was running around 750mg a week then and I got bad acne on my back and alot of bloat, like my head was a cookie bro. But you're right. I had uped my dose from 500-750 for last 4 weeks so

So Up the test and keep the tren the same unless its too harsh then bring down a touch?

[waderow]

I was running around 750mg a week then and I got bad acne on my back and alot of bloat, like my head was a cookie bro. But you're right. I had uped my dose from 500-750 for last 4 weeks so

So Up the test and keep the tren the same unless its too harsh then bring down a touch?

in my opinion, 500mg test and 300 tren a should be a kick ass cycle.

12 weeks minimum for enanthate estered test

[tiramisu]

Welcome to the acne zone.