trensomnia or just the fact im sick?

[Dk]

well i think i spoke to soon on my sleep not being affected by tren haha.

100mg Eod of acetate, im exactly 8 days in now.

i always though tren kept you awake from the start of the night though. (from what ive read) Thing is, i have absolutely no problem GETTING to sleep, its staying asleep thats is my problem. im waking up literally every half hour completely awake and not one bit tired, like right now for example, its 5:50am and i have been off and on sleeping since midnight, in the 5 hours ive been in bed ive probably slept like 3 of em max, and still, im sitting here wide awake and i cant get back asleep.

anyway, this all started last night, and i also got a bad cold yesterday, so does this all sound like tren sides? or could it simply be from being sick. Keeping in mind i have zero problems gettin to sleep the first time of the night, its staying asleep thats the issue.

[theboss]

sounds like trensomnia....same as me...getting asleep is fine..i just wake up a few hours later........go to walmart & buy some 'travel tabs'

[talon05]

The cold could be a fluke...some ppl do get stuffy or cold like symptoms sometimes with test...But probabaly just coincidence,...Your insomnia is exactly caused by tren I was lucky to get 3 hours sleep a night total. Untill I went into my Doc and asked for something to help me sleep I blamed it on afghanistan either way i was good to go after that and slept through the night with no issues. You can also go and buy nytol over the counter in Canada and that should do the trick to bro

[Dk]

haha thanks guys, im still sitting here wide awake, 7am now.
luckily i got a call from mr.boss saying we arent working today cuz its -27, ill try and catch up on some sleep today.

in the meantime, im gonna haul ass to 711 and get some Taquitos for breakfast

[ezturbo]

Hah ya that would be the insomnia. At least you can get to bed, I'd lay in bed after 4 sleeping pills and melatonin and just stare at the ceiling straight zombie for hours. I never had night sweats, right until the end. Even when I stopped pinning acetate a week later I was still waking up ever hour or two to piss. I couldn't nap or anything. I miss the gains but wow I forgot how much I miss proper sleep.

[ezturbo]

Tacquitos?!? Dirty bulker :P

[hyperlite32]

you can always try GABA,6 mg of melatonin, Phenibut...

[waderow]

sounds like the tren....
for me I would fall asleep easily (usually), but would wake up at like 2 or 3am or some gawd awful hour and be up the rest of the night until about an hour before the alarm went off. sometimes complete with night sweat...

[Dk]

Tacquitos?!? Dirty bulker :P

haha yep, im starting to get sick of mcdonalds double cheeseburgers though, might needa switch to some taco bell quesidillas haha.

i hate buying groceries.

i eat alot of pasta, fast food(no deep fried though, just burgers and shit), shakes, protein bars, and snack packs haha.
as long as i get my macros in i dont care how i get it

[waderow]

dude, the fast food will catch up with you.

its not only about calories, but nutrician

[champcar99]

haha yep, im starting to get sick of mcdonalds double cheeseburgers though, might needa switch to some taco bell quesidillas haha.

i hate buying groceries.

i eat alot of pasta, fast food(no deep fried though, just burgers and shit), shakes, protein bars, and snack packs haha.
as long as i get my macros in i dont care how i get it

if your doing gear and eating like that your not doing your body ANY GOOD AT ALL not too mention the lack of progress that can and will happen eating fast food alot while on cycle... how many times a week do you go to a fast food joint too eat ? or how many times a day ?

[Amoral]

Dude, I got the same thing my first tren experience. Acetate ester...around 8-10 days in started getting night sweats at 75mg eod...but only lasted for around 2 weeks. Upped to 100mg eod near the end and didn't get any more night sweats. The insomnia stuck around. Same thing, getting to sleep was fine, but getting total 4 hours a night was considered lucky. Go buy some ephedrine and caff pills for the day and melatonin for the night. Phenibut works well too if you can get your hands on it.

On another note...dieting down with test/tren, cutting out carbs and doing fasted morning cardio, I haven't slept like this in like 5 years man. 8 solid hours at least every night. Sleep like a ****in baby, but seems like with the work you might be doing, energy from the carbs are probably in your best interest right now I'm assuming.

[Dk]

if your doing gear and eating like that your not doing your body ANY GOOD AT ALL not too mention the lack of progress that can and will happen eating fast food alot while on cycle... how many times a week do you go to a fast food joint too eat ? or how many times a day ?

i usually eat a couple double cheese a day from mcdonalds.

other then that its all clean foods mostly

i just try and get in food because i work 10-12 hours a day and not much time to make a prepared meal.

i snack on ALOT of peanuts throughout the day, lots of milk, iso-flex bars, gainer shakes. like for supper ill usually have pasta and fish or pasta and shrimp or anything.

the last half of the day is good eating, its just the first half where i eat a many little things like peanuts and all that mentioned to keep my body fueled, then when im done work, i just grab a couple double cheeseburgers (900 calories, 50g protein, 50g carbs, 50g fat) to catch up

[waderow]

2 double cheeseburgers per day

870 cal
44 g fat (396 cal)
21g saturated fat
1.5g trans fat
^this is 113% of saturated and trans fat recommended daily intake (DV)
150mg cholesterol
1200mg sodium (96% DV)
70g carbs (280 cal)
4g fibre
15g sugar
49g protein (196 cal)


for a tight diet, you will basically have to have:

ZERO fat for rest of day
only 700 calories in Carbs for rest of day
I dont want to even get at the sodium and trans fat and cholesterol...

i see peanuts, i see shakes, gainer bars, pasta, etc

Bro, no offence, but your diet is NOT dialed in.

You are VERY lucky you are so young, for if you were 30 or older you would be a fatty.

Listen to the bros here, trust me. youre not young forever

[Dk]

2 double cheeseburgers per day

870 cal
44 g fat (396 cal)
21g saturated fat
1.5g trans fat
^this is 113% of saturated and trans fat recommended daily intake (DV)
150mg cholesterol
1200mg sodium (96% DV)
70g carbs (280 cal)
4g fibre
15g sugar
49g protein (196 cal)


for a tight diet, you will basically have to have:

ZERO fat for rest of day
only 700 calories in Carbs for rest of day
I dont want to even get at the sodium and trans fat and cholesterol...

i see peanuts, i see shakes, gainer bars, pasta, etc

Bro, no offence, but your diet is NOT dialed in.

You are VERY lucky you are so young, for if you were 30 or older you would be a fatty.

Listen to the bros here, trust me. youre not young forever

i know i know haha, its just so convenient, a couple bucks for 50g of protein.

Theres an Opa right beside the mcdonalds i usually goto though, everyone once in a awhile i get a pork pita wrap instead with xtra skewer of pork, not sure the macros on it, might look it up now.

i know the mcdonalds has to stop haha, im just always hungry as shit after work because ive been functioning on peanuts, peanut butter sandwiches, and everything else i listed for the first bit of the day.

Even if i just cut to 1 a day besides 2, its a start (i am startin to put on some fat haha)

[Bowlcut]

There is a certain lab making a product especially designed for trensomnia.
made with the same stuff cold medications use for sleep.

[trainharder]

i know i know haha, its just so convenient, a couple bucks for 50g of protein.

Theres an Opa right beside the mcdonalds i usually goto though, everyone once in a awhile i get a pork pita wrap instead with xtra skewer of pork, not sure the macros on it, might look it up now.

i know the mcdonalds has to stop haha, im just always hungry as shit after work because ive been functioning on peanuts, peanut butter sandwiches, and everything else i listed for the first bit of the day.

Even if i just cut to 1 a day besides 2, its a start (i am startin to put on some fat haha)

Are you still using Lipoex?

[Dk]

Are you still using Lipoex?

nope. only ran it for a mini 5 week cut pre-cycle

blood pressure was startin to get a little high so i decided not to run it into cycle

[nisser]

blood pressure getting high at 18?

dude, just stop, get off gear and ****ing learn how to do it properly. I stood silently but you're just ****ing your life up since you don't even know how to eat.

[Houstonbc]

drop the daily fast food buddy
cook 2wice a week sunday and wednesday its easy to prepare all your meals before hand that way. plus i believe you get better gains from 50g steak protein than 50g mcdonalds protein.

[Dk]

blood pressure getting high at 18?

dude, just stop, get off gear and ****ing learn how to do it properly. I stood silently but you're just ****ing your life up since you don't even know how to eat.

it wasnt an offical test there chief.
it was one of those stick your arm in it and do it yourself deal, and it was only slightly above average, what do you expect when taking stimulants and thermogenics?

And who said i dont know how to eat? i eat alot better then the average person, so i eat cheeseburgers, other then that my diet is completely clean. Its just because of my job i tend to grab a little extra calories after work, to catch up, then its back to clean.

Everyone on here is probably on a strict clean bulk eh? god forbid if i eat a double cheeseburger or 2 a day.

By the way, i just re-read that, and its not supposed to come off as dickish as it sounds, haha, just the way i typed er

[giannos]

drop the daily fast food buddy
cook 2wice a week sunday and wednesday its easy to prepare all your meals before hand that way. plus i believe you get better gains from 50g steak protein than 50g mcdonalds protein.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

This Bro:

I cook once a week on Sunday. I have a rice cooker and make a shit load of brown rice, throw in 20 chicken breasts in the oven, a couple pounds of extra lean ground beef and steam a bag of vegetables. I then make 25 or so meals all portioned in Tupperware and thrown in the freezer.

So I have some with :

chicken/rice/vegetables and hot sauce
ground beef/rice/vegetables and hot sauce
Just plain rice, and throw a can of tuna on it with you guessed it, hot sauce.
This is just part of the equation. You need more food, healthy fats, etc. But you get the point...

I save my crap ( burgers etc) for Sunday only. Learn to eat methodically and you will love your gains.

[natenator]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

This Bro:

I cook once a week on Sunday. I have a rice cooker and make a shit load of brown rice, throw in 20 chicken breasts in the oven, a couple pounds of extra lean ground beef and steam a bag of vegetables. I then make 25 or so meals all portioned in Tupperware and thrown in the freezer.

So I have some with :

chicken/rice/vegetables and hot sauce
ground beef/rice/vegetables and hot sauce
Just plain rice, and throw a can of tuna on it with you guessed it, hot sauce.
This is just part of the equation. You need more food, healthy fats, etc. But you get the point...

I save my crap ( burgers etc) for Sunday only. Learn to eat methodically and you will love your gains.
ditto. cook sunday to get me through the week and weekends I can prepare fresh but the week has 30 meals all prepped and ready in the fridge by about 2pm on Sunday.

[waderow]

i find the time to try to cook daily. If not, I hit up the pita joint and get a double grilled chicken on whole wheat... no salt of sauces and shit. That is my fast food.

Bro, you do not eat better then me or most here. Yeah, i am sure you eat better then a couple guys, but what are you trying to do here. What is your goal.

[natenator]

i find the time to try to cook daily. If not, I hit up the pita joint and get a double grilled chicken on whole wheat... no salt of sauces and shit. That is my fast food.

Bro, you do not eat better then me or most here. Yeah, i am sure you eat better then a couple guys, but what are you trying to do here. What is your goal.
agree and saying you eat better than the average joe is just plain silly. The average joe doesn't pump themselves full of steroids.

[Dk]

i find the time to try to cook daily. If not, I hit up the pita joint and get a double grilled chicken on whole wheat... no salt of sauces and shit. That is my fast food.

Bro, you do not eat better then me or most here. Yeah, i am sure you eat better then a couple guys, but what are you trying to do here. What is your goal.
im just bulking right now, and im not scared to put on a little extra fat. I wanna take advantage of the cycle and put on as much weight as possible, if some is fat, it happens. Im not scared to eat a cheeseburger or hammer down a bag of chips or something.

Now, with that being said, even though it is an easy way to bring in protein and calories, its not healthy, and i know that, im starting to lose energy and things like that, and i know its from processed food, which is why i decided to, before this whole debate even came up, to clean my diet up a bit.


agree and saying you eat better than the average joe is just plain silly. The average joe doesn't pump themselves full of steroids.
i knew that was coming haha, i got nothin

[ezturbo]

agree and saying you eat better than the average joe is just plain silly. The average joe doesn't pump themselves full of steroids.

Steroids!

[canadianmuscle0803]

in my opinion, your way too young to be touching steroids let alone the most powerful one being TREN! your natural hormones are so high right now, i dont know why your not doing this naturally..

[Dk]

in my opinion, your way too young to be touching steroids let alone the most powerful one being TREN! your natural hormones are so high right now, i dont know why your not doing this naturally..

ok guys we dont need to get into all this again haha.

if you wanna keep where it left off theres a thread about it in the off topic section, might as well keep it all there.

[waderow]

everyones just trying to look out for you bro.

they are not trying to keep you down and shit. I posted in that thread of yours, if I knew then what I know now, I would not have touched gear at age 18, and instead would have eaten like a champ, and trained different.
I would have gone places as an athlete.

[canadianmuscle0803]

im not busting on you, im just looking out for you, hormones are very powerful and should be done with much caution, im sorry if this is rude to you, but if thats you in your avatar after doing steroids, you clearly need to do your homework because that could be attained naturally without any issue at all, there is no substitute for a good diet and raw iron my friend. be safe.

[Dk]

im not busting on you, im just looking out for you, hormones are very powerful and should be done with much caution, im sorry if this is rude to you, but if thats you in your avatar after doing steroids, you clearly need to do your homework because that could be attained naturally without any issue at all, there is no substitute for a good diet and raw iron my friend. be safe.
of course it could be attainted naturally, its not like ive been juicin for years, ive done one cycle. I could almost bet maybe 5% of anyone waited for their natural limit to start

Dk716 whats mom going to say when you start loosing your hair at 18 and start looking like a hormonal mess?

probably the same thing if it happened at 25

[L3]

you'd be suprized on how much your mind and body will mature in 7 years

qft

[nii]

Dk716 whats mom going to say when you start loosing your hair at 18

Some of us dont need gear for that to happen :( :mad:

[Dk]

Some of us dont need gear for that to happen :( :mad:

haha no kidding, i used to play hockey with a guy who was already about 90 percent bald at 16 years old.