Shitty blood work...?

[ezturbo]

I just got back from the doctor. Im only 21 for starters, healthy/fit, heavy weed smoker. Honestly this was the first time Ive gotten bloodwork done so there really isnt any comparative. Ill start off by saying I've been on test for 22 weeks and I was coming off a 4 week tren kicker which was 2 days before this blood test, so this was done while I was on and coming off tren. I was at the doctors and I "off the record" talked with her about my aas use, she was pretty chill about it. But then she started getting all crazy when we started looking at my bloodwork, so I dunno. Seeing if people can tell me if the results are THAT bad or as bad as she makes it sound. This was strickly mechanical function tests, no hormones.

These were the flags, everything else was looking good.
Glucose - High - 7.2 (Ref Range: 3.9-6.1)
RDW - High - 17.6 (Ref Range: 11.0-16.0)
AST - High - 43 (Ref Range 8-40)
CK - High - 1162 (Ref Range 0-195)
HDL Cholesterol - Low - 0.34 (Ref Range >0.90)

She was tripping out about my glucose and my HDL. The others she didnt really care much about. She said my bad cholesterol was fine but my HDL really concerned her. Kidneys and everything else were looking great. (tren kidney toxic? Anti-supportive to the myth?) As well she said I have the blood sugar levels of a diabetic. Woohoo..

Insight anyone?
Appreciated.

[jsv22]

These were the flags, everything else was looking good.
Glucose - High - 7.2 (Ref Range: 3.9-6.1)
RDW - High - 17.6 (Ref Range: 11.0-16.0)
AST - High - 43 (Ref Range 8-40)
CK - High - 1162 (Ref Range 0-195)
HDL Cholesterol - Low - 0.34 (Ref Range >0.90)

She was tripping out about my glucose and my HDL. The others she didnt really care much about. She said my bad cholesterol was fine but my HDL really concerned her. Kidneys and everything else were looking great. (tren kidney toxic? Anti-supportive to the myth?) As well she said I have the blood sugar levels of a diabetic. Woohoo..

Insight anyone?
Appreciated.

A fasting blood glucose over 7 and you should be diagnosed with diabetes. That's scary shit, personally i would pick up a blood glucose monitor and start watching it closely. I would also try to modify your diet to mostly include low-glycemic carbs and low saturated fat and increase your cardio as much as possible. do you have any family who have been diagnosed with diabetes?

what's your diet currently look like?
how's your BP?

The other values may be related to the AAS?
high CK is common in athletes (the test can't tell the difference if it comes from the heart or muscles)...

Time to get healthy bro!

[St]

I just got back from the doctor. Im only 21 for starters, healthy/fit, heavy weed smoker. Honestly this was the first time Ive gotten bloodwork done so there really isnt any comparative. Ill start off by saying I've been on test for 22 weeks and I was coming off a 4 week tren kicker which was 2 days before this blood test, so this was done while I was on and coming off tren. I was at the doctors and I "off the record" talked with her about my aas use, she was pretty chill about it. But then she started getting all crazy when we started looking at my bloodwork, so I dunno. Seeing if people can tell me if the results are THAT bad or as bad as she makes it sound. This was strickly mechanical function tests, no hormones.

These were the flags, everything else was looking good.
Glucose - High - 7.2 (Ref Range: 3.9-6.1)
RDW - High - 17.6 (Ref Range: 11.0-16.0)
AST - High - 43 (Ref Range 8-40)
CK - High - 1162 (Ref Range 0-195)
HDL Cholesterol - Low - 0.34 (Ref Range >0.90)

She was tripping out about my glucose and my HDL. The others she didnt really care much about. She said my bad cholesterol was fine but my HDL really concerned her. Kidneys and everything else were looking great. (tren kidney toxic? Anti-supportive to the myth?) As well she said I have the blood sugar levels of a diabetic. Woohoo..

Insight anyone?
Appreciated.

Well all injectable can mess with your HDL a bit 9% just for test,but tabs are worse on HDL,that it why a good clean diet can help keep it under control.Take Nolva's great for lowering HDL levels.But you did a long cycle that will affect big time,but will go back to normal with a good long break.
Glucose can be messed with nor 19 esters tren,deca,npp,but does this run in your family(Diabetes)

[Praetorian]

Here is how to read the results....

HDL/LDL and Total Cholesterol

These lipoproteins should look rather familiar to most of you. HDL is simply the "good" lipoprotein that acts as a scavenger molecule and prevents a buildup of material. LDL is the "bad" lipoprotein which collects in arterial walls and causes blockage or a reduction in blood flow. The total cholesterol to HDL ratio is also important. I went in to detail about this particular subject — as well as how to improve your lipid profile — in my article "Bad Blood".

Nevertheless, a quick reminder: your HDL should be 35 or higher; LDL below 130; and total to HDL ratio should be below 3.5. Oh and don't forget VLDL (very low density lipoprotein) which can be extremely worrisome. You should have less than 30 mg/dl in order to not be considered at risk for heart disease.
RDW (Red Cell Distribution Width)

The RDW is an indicator of the variation in red blood cell size. It's used in order to help classify certain types of anemia, and to see if some of the red blood cells need their suits tailored. An increase in RDW can be indicative of iron deficiency anemia, vitamin B12 or folate deficiency anemia, and diseases like sickle cell anemia.

Normal ranges:

Adult Mal
11.7-14.2%

Adult Female
11.7-14.2%

Glucose

The amount of glucose in the blood after a prolonged period of fasting (12-14 hours) is used to determine whether a person is in a hypoglycemic (low blood glucose) or hyperglycemic (high blood glucose) state. Both can be indicators of serious conditions. Increased levels can be indicative of diabetes mellitus, acute stress, Cushing's syndrome, chronic renal failure, corticosteroid therapy, acromegaly, etc. Decreased levels could be indicative of hypothyroidism, insulinoma, liver disease, insulin overdose, and starvation.

Normal range:

Adult Male
65-120 mg/dl

Adult Female
65-120 mg/dl

AST (Aspartate Aminotransferase, previously known as SGOT)

This is yet another enzyme that's used to determine if there's damage or stress to the liver. It may also be used to see if heart disease is a possibility as well, but this isn't as accurate. When the liver is damaged or inflamed, AST levels can rise to a very high level (20 times the normal value). This happens because AST is released when the cells of that particular organ (liver) are lysed. The AST then enters blood circulation and an elevation can be seen. Increased levels can be indicative of heart disease, liver disease, skeletal muscle disease or injuries, as well as heat stroke. Decreased levels can be indicative of acute kidney disease, beriberi, diabetic ketoacidosis, pregnancy, and renal dialysis.

Normal range:

Adult
0-35 U/L (Females may have slightly lower levels)
CK

Also known as: Total CK, Creatine phosphokinase, CPK
Formal name: Creatine Kinase

Usually rise in athletes due to the effect of training on muscles...ie fibre damage from lifting


Out of all the reading the HDL levels and the glucose are the most concerning. Most other levels are high which is quite normal from someone on cycle as well as weight training. They will drop when you come off.

Did you fast for 12 hours prior to this bloodwork?
If not this could be why your glucose is higher...if you did then you may want to have that checked again...just to be sure.
The HDL is low to the point of putting you in a high risk category...this is actually very common for guys on cycle...10-20mg tamoxifen will usually keep HDL levels normal while on. Are you taking arimidex? If so stop now...it drives HDL levels to the floor.
You are correct in the point that tren is not harmful to the kidneys...very true. That myth was derived from the fact that tren sometimes raises certain individuals blood pressure and high blood pressure is known to cause damage to the tubules in the kidneys.

I hope this helps.
P

[JoeDiggX]

Well all injectable can mess with your HDL a bit 9% just for test,but tabs are worse on HDL,that it why a good clean diet can help keep it under control.Take Nolva's great for lowering HDL levels.But you did a long cycle that will affect big time,but will go back to normal with a good long break.
Glucose can be messed with nor 19 esters tren,deca,npp,but does this run in your family(Diabetes)

I agree. Dieting can control a lot and being off is golden for health!

[faller]

Awesome post Praetorian!! K your way!

[pinhead]

Clean up and go get tested again after some time off. At 21 you seriously DO NOT want to **** up your health. If it's good after, then you know the aas affects you a bit and do it wisely next time. Stay away from foods that spike your sugar if the 7 doesn't come down. I figure your pot smoking will drive you to crave sweet junk food. Be careful with that.

[big_luse]

For the record im curious how much Test you were on. On pharm grade Test is actually says on the box that you might become slightly hypersensitive to insulin and may need to lower your Insulin dosage accordingly...which if anything would result in lower blood glucose.

Regardless though, Id be willing to bet its the tren or a pre-exisitng undiagnosed condition (personally im leaning more towards the tren)

[ezturbo]

I guess more indepth, im 21, 6'0, 210lbs dry, probably 8%bf now, always been atheletic with football and rugby and that type of shit, but didnt start bbing until about 7 months ago. Honestly i wasnt running much test at all 500mg for 16weeks then cranked it up tp 750mg after I dropped the tren (prolactin problems caused me to drop it 2 weeks early from the planned 6). I went from pinning t400 to sust and ****ed the transisition up and broke out like a bitch. I check my blood pressure everyday, in the morning its golden, sometimes in the night after smoking some weed and coming down off superpump its 140/70 which is no alarm, but high. Now that I think about it though, my mother was telling me her fasting glucose was high aswell, 6.1 or something, and I know my grandmother is diabetic. I hope your wrong with your theory about a pre-existing problems haha. I forgot to mention also that Im taking pretty heavy ancilliaries at the moment, 2.5mg Letro, 20mg Nolva, and 500mcg caber ED. Battling a bad spell of gyno. Now I imagine that could also have something to do with my cholesterol, but what about my glucose? My diet though eh... Well Im on 750mg sust and 40mg dbol, cutting. So basically cheerios, oatmeal, yogurt, turkey, occasional steaks, lots of fruits, milk, and shit loads of protein shakes (like 6 a day lol.. yeah i abuse this).

I really appreciate your post Praetorian, thankyou for taking the time to post that. It was excellent in clearing some things out. You were wondering the ratio for cholesterol: 10.8 or ya...
Here:
Hour Fasting: 10
Cholesterol 3.66 (ideal 3.20-4.6)
Triglycerides 1.16 (ideal 0.60-2.30)
HDL Cholesterol 0.34 (ideal >90)
Total: HDL Cholesterol Ratio 10.8
LDL Calculated 2.79 (ideal 1.7-3.0)

I appreciate all of you taking the time to help me go through this. Im young, and there isnt many people around me to I can confer with about my AAS use. So this is pretty much the only outlet I have.

Thanks in advance, again.

[pinhead]

but didn't start bbing until about 7 months ago

No offense bro. You started training and after 4-5 months you started to juice? You have no ideal how much natural growth you lost especially at 21. I would strongly suggest to train a few solid years before juicing. Get a foundation first. Take the money you spent on gear and put it on food and protein, get your diet in check and train hard. You could have probably got the same gains that way and not having put any drug into your body.

Just my 2 cc's

[ezturbo]

No offense bro. You started training and after 4-5 months you started to juice? You have no ideal how much natural growth you lost especially at 21. I would strongly suggest to train a few solid years before juicing. Get a foundation first. Take the money you spent on gear and put it on food and protein, get your diet in check and train hard. You could have probably got the same gains that way and not having put any drug into your body.

Just my 2 cc's


I had something else typed. But to keep it simple, dont judge me like you know me.

[crackdawg]

All the PCT drugs at the end of a long cycle probably ****ed you up

Its happens to me when I use Nolvadex at the end of a long cycle

and running letro during with all the other AAS too

sounds like your taking to much too fast

over time you will grow, you don't have to do everything all at once

tone it down bro, your young!

[ezturbo]

All the PCT drugs at the end of a long cycle probably ****ed you up

Its happens to me when I use Nolvadex at the end of a long cycle

and running letro during with all the other AAS too

sounds like your taking to much too fast

over time you will grow, you don't have to do everything all at once

tone it down bro, your young!

It started off quite simple my friend with just test, test, test. Threw tren into the mix and 4 weeks into that all hell broke loose. I started getting a really puffy left nip, so I started popping nolva like tic-tacs. Next thing I know they both are getting puffy so I knew it was prolactin related. I hoped on Letro while I waited for my caber to arrive (next time will def have on hand first), and was attempting to get things from getting any worse. So right about the time of my bloodwork I began taking caber for the prolactin, letro for the lumps, and nolva to bind my nipple so I wouldnt have any chance of gyno. I mentioned this to my doctor and she was ... DUR.. Stunned. I imagine this had a huge effect on my test.

Regardless, Im currently on dbol and test still, while I run HCG (getting ready for PCT), and I know the right choice would be to drop the dbol asap, (im a ****in idiot and extremely stuborn, like to finish what I start), taper down the test, taper down the letro. PCT. Wait 2 weeks and get my blood done again.

Ancilliaries are becomming the death of me.

[Houstonbc]

dude thats more ancillaries than i have taken in my life if you think the drug is ****ing you up that bad you HAVE to be mature enough to drop it. If you dropped the tren it would be over and done with in 2 days.

[ezturbo]

dude thats more ancillaries than i have taken in my life if you think the drug is ****ing you up that bad you HAVE to be mature enough to drop it. If you dropped the tren it would be over and done with in 2 days.

Get big, or die trying :P.

[BigDane]

I had something else typed. But to keep it simple, dont judge me like you know me.

Umm, he's not judging you. This is actually some very solid advice.

I'd take it if I were you.

Also, if you can't take constructive criticism after posting bloodwork results like that I wouldn't bother posting at all. Obviously you seem to think you have this shit down pat.

[BigDane]

You're 21 and after training for under a year you decide to jump on a 20+ weeker test with a "tren kicker"

Something isn't right with this picture.

*EDIT

Jesus, I forgot the dbol you're now taking too. I recommend stopping everything and getting yourself in check bro. IMO you're really fvcking yourself up. "popping nolva like tic tacs" won't get this done either.

[deleteduser0001]

Get big, or die trying :P.

if you don't wanna listen, why keep posting? this verges on the realm of trolling.

[trainharder]

Get big, or die trying :P.

Not trying to be a dick here but this is exactly teh kind of irresponsible, immature attitude that leads to AAS being viewed negatively by the public.

[ezturbo]

Who said I wasn't listening? You think this is the first time I've heard this advice? If you think i'm "some kid", no, you don't know me. What does giving advice pertaining to "what I should have done" do to help me? I've already made choices for myself and you have no idea what went through my head to make them. Why do I have to sit here and defend myself? I respect vets opinions and people with experiences, why else would I be posting here? I'm asking for help with my blood tests, and asking about the compounds I'm taking and their effect on my results. Not the reasons and choices I made to juice. I appreciate the concern. Honestly.

[ezturbo]

Not trying to be a dick here but this is exactly teh kind of irresponsible, immature attitude that leads to AAS being viewed negatively by the public.

It's a joke. It's followed by a smiley face. Don't look far into it.

[gustavo77]

It started off quite simple my friend with just test, test, test. Threw tren into the mix and 4 weeks into that all hell broke loose. I started getting a really puffy left nip, so I started popping nolva like tic-tacs. Next thing I know they both are getting puffy so I knew it was prolactin related. I hoped on Letro while I waited for my caber to arrive (next time will def have on hand first), and was attempting to get things from getting any worse. So right about the time of my bloodwork I began taking caber for the prolactin, letro for the lumps, and nolva to bind my nipple so I wouldnt have any chance of gyno. I mentioned this to my doctor and she was ... DUR.. Stunned. I imagine this had a huge effect on my test.

Regardless, Im currently on dbol and test still, while I run HCG (getting ready for PCT), and I know the right choice would be to drop the dbol asap, (im a ****in idiot and extremely stuborn, like to finish what I start), taper down the test, taper down the letro. PCT. Wait 2 weeks and get my blood done again.

Ancilliaries are becomming the death of me.

You should be off everything longer than 2 weeks before getting blood work done... your values will still be ****ed up weeks after coming off letro..

As others have said, you say you want feedback but you do not take it well at all. And as far as other's judging you and not knowing you at all, well, it is easy to see how truly immature you are bro. You had not even trained one year and were on gear, and tren for that matter. Did not properly research and prepare for this cycle and even now, that your blood work comes back whacked the **** out, you still will not get off the gear. "Get big or diet trying"...lol... come on bro, do you honestly think you will still be feeling that way when you are lying a hospital bed, attached to ten different tubes, that are keeping you alive?? Wake the **** up and grow up...

[ezturbo]

Okay. Thanks for your help.

[vegan_hunter]

Stay off anything for a few months, then go back for blood work again. Everything should come back into normal range.

I had my blood work done when running a shit load of gear + GH while dieting for a show last year, and the only thing out of the ordinary was slightly high blood pressure, and HDL in the low range.

I guess everybody is different.

[ezturbo]

Stay off anything for a few months, then go back for blood work again. Everything should come back into normal range.

I had my blood work done when running a shit load of gear + GH while dieting for a show last year, and the only thing out of the ordinary was slightly high blood pressure, and HDL in the low range.

I guess everybody is different.


Ya hey. I contribute my low hdl to the letro, and the glucose to incorrect fasting, or pre-existing problems. Not necessarily the gear I was running.

[gustavo77]

Ya hey. I contribute my low hdl to the letro, and the glucose to incorrect fasting, or pre-existing problems. Not necessarily the gear I was running.

Orals, test and tren can lower HDL...orals and tren can also effect your liver values...

If you have pre-existing problems with low HDL, you will need to be extra careful with what you run. A heart attack before the age of 30 would be tragic bro...remember it's bodybuilding...

[arcnspark77]

Do you need to specify to the doctors what to test for in the blood? or just request generic bloodwork? What all should be checked?

[Chaps]

No offense bro. You started training and after 4-5 months you started to juice? You have no ideal how much natural growth you lost especially at 21. I would strongly suggest to train a few solid years before juicing. Get a foundation first. Take the money you spent on gear and put it on food and protein, get your diet in check and train hard. You could have probably got the same gains that way and not having put any drug into your body.

Just my 2 cc's

Agreed!

[tony_canuck]

hey bro, a lot of good advice here. don't throw away advice because you don't want to hear it or agree with it, you don't want to look back when you're 40 and say 'i should've listened better'

anyway, enough of that - you should be clean for a longer period of time before being tested - I did a run of 24 weeks and with some time off got tested and was in perfect shape - and I'm in my mid 30's!

In the long run, the less you use to get results, the better it is for you health wise. Just plan things out to a tee from the beginning, including diet, which I've learned over my 15 years of bodybuilding is the key between great gains and great health

[WRJ]

Hey man, I don't think anyone is flaming you intentionally, their more worried about the choice you made to run high amounts of gear at a younger, possible not fully developed age....to each their own dude. I'm 24 and still don't think I'm ready to cycle low doses, even tho I've been training for 4 years and done ALOT of reasearch. I'm sure you'll find tons of valuable info on CBB. Hopefully your tests come back and everything is in check, good luck bro! :beer

[ezturbo]

Believe me, I appreciate the people who replied to me, and most definatly respect what they have to say. To clarify, I said I've only been bb'ing for 7 months, Ive been lifting weights for much longer. Ive always been athletic playing rugby, football, basketball, baseball, competitive swimming (gave me beast legs, dont knock it.) Anyway, I was always just a bigger guy, didnt really look all that strong but how I looked and what was true is completely different. When I began 'bb-ing' I really focused on designing my muscles, sculpting them more. My goals from strength had changed. Thats when I decided to juice. I consider my natural foundation pretty solid considering Ive always been involved in sports every year of my life. I truly appreciate the people who took the time to reply to this thread, and for expressing your concerns. The way I speak is a little alliterated at times ("popping nolva like tic-tacs"), I appologise. Its just the way that I talk. In reality I was talking 40mg. The way I talk/speak is what will truly get me in trouble. "Get big or die trying" I was just replying to someone I know, joking around, and I completely understand why people would take offence to this. Please understand this is not how I truly think.

Anyway, once again, I appologise for my rude replies and indecencies to those showing concern. Thanks again guys.

[natenator]

I had something else typed. But to keep it simple, dont judge me like you know me.
You come on this board talking as if you know your shit when the reality is you don't know **** all. You will lose pretty much every ounce you gained because as previously mentioned, you don't know **** all.

You should NOT be dolling out any type of advice or information related to training, nutrition or AAS because, as I've previously stated, you don't know **** all.

People try to offer you words of caution and you get defensive and tell them to mind their own business. This sport and lifestyle is not about quick fix and short-term gain. Anyone can do that. It's the guys who day in and day out, eat, sleep and train for years and year who get what this is all about. Learn from them, listen to what they have to say and keep your ****ing mouth shut.

Flame away.

[ezturbo]

You come on this board talking as if you know your shit when the reality is you don't know **** all. You will lose pretty much every ounce you gained because as previously mentioned, you don't know **** all.

You should NOT be dolling out any type of advice or information related to training, nutrition or AAS because, as I've previously stated, you don't know **** all.

People try to offer you words of caution and you get defensive and tell them to mind their own business. This sport and lifestyle is not about quick fix and short-term gain. Anyone can do that. It's the guys who day in and day out, eat, sleep and train for years and year who get what this is all about. Learn from them, listen to what they have to say and keep your ****ing mouth shut.

Flame away :yeah


I was waiting for you cutie. You keep hiding behind your computer. Even with the way you talk, you would still be my dwarf.

[natenator]

I was waiting for you cutie. You keep hiding behind your computer. Even with the way you talk, you would still be my dwarf.
Umm hiding? How do you figure? Ahh **** it. I ain't getting into it with a childish kid.

[gustavo77]

Please end it here guys...you both have had your say, now let's move on..