First Time Tren

[wan2lrn]

Weeks 1-8 xxx TNT 350 (250 test E + 100 tren E) x2 per week
OR
xxx TNT 400 (250 test E + 150 tren E) x2 per week
Weeks 1-10 adex .5mg EOD OR aromasin 12.5mg ED

PCT
Weeks 11-13 Clomid 50mg ED
Weeks 11-15 Aromasin 12.5 mg ED

1. Considering it is my first time using Tren, if I go with xxx will 300 mg/week be too much?
2. Is HCG needed for a relatively small, short cycle like this?
3. Run aromasin weeks 1-15 or adex for the first 10 followed by aromasin for 5?

Any other suggestions will be helpful.

[pinhead]

Start off with the smaller dosage of tren as it's enanthate and makes some guys rather nutty. Maybe get an acetate on the side in case you want to up the dose.

Tren does shut some people down hard so maybe to at least have hcg on hand might be good.

Aromasin alone or as you mentioned it will be ok. You're not doing much test so you shouldn't have any side effects with any anti a you take.

Looks nice though. Hope you have a good cycle. Keep us posted.

[Rhinobolt10]

I'm running almost the same thing, just started today. Might up the test tho.

A lot of guys say you should start with the shorter ester of tren first... I went with the enan ester my first tren run and it was fine... but that's me and I was pretty determined. If something goes wrong... just be prepared to hold on tight for a week or two for that shit to get out of your system.

[giannos]

Good advice ^^^^

If you do go with the Tren E, I would say it is a MUST to run HCG with it. 19-nors will shut your ass down hard. I know from experience :( Definitely do yourself a favor and run 250iu 2x a week at the minimum. Could even do 500iu every 3rd day.

[moregunsthanroses]

I'm considering hitting up some tren E myself but for know I think I'm going to do a basic test only cycle.

I'll keep in mind HCG if and when I use tren.

[rated_rko]

I'm running almost the same thing, just started today. Might up the test tho.

A lot of guys say you should start with the shorter ester of tren first... I went with the enan ester my first tren run and it was fine... but that's me and I was pretty determined. If something goes wrong... just be prepared to hold on tight for a week or two for that shit to get out of your system.

i totally agree here..if ur gonna go with enthan...if u run into any problems its gonna take a bit to flush out but do it up bro

[Gettin'r'round]

Have fun with the night sweats. I'm so not looking forward to that. Next time I'm in Mexico I'm going to get me some sleeping pills.

[talon05]

I would have started with tren A bro it is easier to control if you are getting bad sides with the E you will have to live with them untill the ester clears...Either way you should be thinking of adding double the test for tren so you willl need at least 600 mgs of test for the 300 mg of tren...Tren is my Favorite AAS however it is also the most harsh..be carfull and watch for sides ya enjoy the insomnia and night sweats They are not cool...A hint get some valliume or ambien or something to help you sleep you may need it

[wan2lrn]

For the guys that have used tren, did you experience insomnia and night sweats even at a low dose of 200mg per week?

I have decided to go with HCG for weeks 1-10.5 as I believe it should be discontinued about 3 days before beginning PCT. I will use BW for reconstitution. I have read different opinions. Some say it is good for 30 days and others say for 60 days. Which is it?

[wan2lrn]

hopeful bump?

[Mr.Freeze]

First time user should start with Tren ace. to be on the safe side.
I like to be proactive.

[Mister T 72]

First time user should start with Tren ace. to be on the safe side.
I like to be proactive.

I agree with Freeze.
At least with the acetate if you find yourself experiencing some of the nasty side effects that Tren is known for, 3 or 4 days after stopping usage it's out of your system and you are on the path to feeling better.2 weeks is a long time to deal with bad tren sides while waiting for it to clear your system.
Besides...pinning EOD with the acetate will give you time to practice your injection technique

[wan2lrn]

Believe me, I have had enough practice pinning.

Thanks for the responses. I will keep searching on the stability of reconstituted HCG after 30 days.

[waderow]

For the guys that have used tren, did you experience insomnia and night sweats even at a low dose of 200mg per week?

I have decided to go with HCG for weeks 1-10.5 as I believe it should be discontinued about 3 days before beginning PCT. I will use BW for reconstitution. I have read different opinions. Some say it is good for 30 days and others say for 60 days. Which is it?

degradation after 30 days, however I wouldn't be too concerned. it will not automatically turn to water. My concern however is the possibility of contamination or bacteria growth (bloom)

how big are your amps or vials of HCG. Never seen bigger then 5000iu, so just use 5000iu per month or try find 2500iu amps

[JoeDiggX]

For the guys that have used tren, did you experience insomnia and night sweats even at a low dose of 200mg per week?

I have decided to go with HCG for weeks 1-10.5 as I believe it should be discontinued about 3 days before beginning PCT. I will use BW for reconstitution. I have read different opinions. Some say it is good for 30 days and others say for 60 days. Which is it?

Sure did! Must be overdosed though if you're getting night sweats and insomnia at only 200mg/week ... That's a good thing!

[wan2lrn]

degradation after 30 days, however I wouldn't be too concerned. it will not automatically turn to water. My concern however is the possibility of contamination or bacteria growth (bloom)

how big are your amps or vials of HCG. Never seen bigger then 5000iu, so just use 5000iu per month or try find 2500iu amps

The amps I will be getting are 5000iu and I was going to use Gustavo's protocol of 250ui every 3 days (about 2 months worth). I have never seen 2500ui amps.

[waderow]

The amps I will be getting are 5000iu and I was going to use Gustavo's protocol of 250ui every 3 days (about 2 months worth). I have never seen 2500ui amps.

go with it then. Gus knows his shit.
or double it and go one month...

[mcgirkz]

tren ace and prop would be better imo, easier to clear if you run into problems... but perhaps you already have your "supplies"...?

i think 50mg EOD of tren and prop is excellent..i like to run a bit longer.. as i didn't really feel the fat burning effects of each till week 8 or so...

its always good to have your ancilaries on hand..if you need them, they're there, if not at least you are prepared..

i mix 5000iu's of HCG into 10 500iu shots subQ.. i just leave them in the fridge...

you prob wouldn't need HCG until week 5 if you ate taking long esters..

tren=acidic sweat and no sleep for me.. some of shirts look like i've dumped bleach on the shoulders.. to combat the sleep issue...GABA..5 grams before bed means i sleep like a rock... might only be for 5 hrs though...

[Dozer1980]

i heard its good for 60 days when reconstituted