Sickness after first week

[White T]

I started my 2nd cycle 1 week ago and I want some re-assurance here that everything is normal.. (My first cycle was last summer and was Axio test.)

Last week, I started SA Test E, did 1 shot on Sunday (1cc / 300mg) and 1 shot on Weds (1cc / 300mg).

Both shots were smooth..but the lingering dull pain in both muscles I hit (thigh and bicep) is very bad. I'm not able to fully bend my knees because of the intense muscle pain in the quad muscle.. Now I can't notice any swelling and if this is just how the gear is, then so be it..

But the part that I'm concerned about is I woke up this morning with a massive stomach ache and some light headedness and I have been feeling that 'woosy' sick feeling all day.. Ridiculous amounts of gas passing, and very little appetite.. Could this be classified as a normal side after 1 week of test?

I have my 3rd shot tomorrow morning and it would be nice to have some re-assurance that this feeling could happen and that I'm not injecting who knows what into my body. SA gear from a reputable person so I doubt that, but you never know.

Has anyone felt like this before after starting Test E?

[MoooBaby]

Me. Describes almost exactly how I"ve been feelin this year on Test Ent h. . like a bag of shit
Hard to grow when you can't eat.

[White T]

Already feel some relief that I'm not the only one...... I will continue with the scheduled shots and just force feed myself.. The muscle pain, that is something I can deal with. But the upset stomach and gas...hope it goes away!!

[metallord]

read the thread in this column titled UG SUSTANON 250 its reads what everyone said to me,ive also been sick.its pretty common.

[White T]

metallord: thanks for the reply..I checked your thread.. so you are experiencing the sickness for 3 weeks and counting? Wow long time..

I woke up this morning with another upset stomach and light headache but it hasn't been nearly as bad as yesterday. It's still clearly there..but I am waiting a few more days to see if it completely goes away.

My biggest problem is the massive muscle soreness I am getting from this SA Testothate 300. I've done 3 shots now..and the injection site from my first shot, 8 days ago, is incredibly sore and tight.. to the point I can't bend at the knees cause the quad is too painful. And, my second shot, which was bicep, doesn't so much hurt, but the site is completely bright red. No idea what this means. I hit my delt this morning and I will see how it feels tomorrow.

[waderow]

upper body jabs are more painful then lower body in my opinion. I would stick to quads, and make sure youre in right place or glutes. Your muscles will get more used to it after a few jabs, and pain will become less severe.

make sure youre heating the oil under a tap with hot water and make sure youre jabbing the right spots.

As far as upset stomach, are you taking something before bed like a powder or something?

[White T]

waderow: thanks for the advice..I haven't heated the oil before so I can try that. Do you heat the vial itself or the barrel of the syringe? I'm sitting here with a heat pack on my quad, 9 days after I shot it, trying to loosen up the muscle and relieve the pain. Funny it lasts so long.

Do you think it the redness on by bicep injection site will go away by itself? The last thing I want to do is start worrying about infections but it's been a bright red for a few days now. Not sure what that means exactly.

[Krozone]

White T: Hey bro, how deep are you pinning in your Quad? As Waderow suggested, heating the oil prior to does allow for a smoother inject. I've always heated my shot between a folded Heating Blanket for about 5 minutes prior to. Also, I take a tad over 1 minute per CC when injecting. Ensure that you are hitting the correct spot, take your time and you should be ok.

I've only ever gotten abit of a runny nose (Slight congestion), maybe 1/200 shots... maybe..

I stick to the Glutes and Quads, I max out at 2cc Glute, 1 CC Quads. Not due to lack of muscle size, rather; I'd prefer to ensure that I can fuction throughout the day.

Hope your doing better!

Kro!

[jsv22]

sounds very test flu-esk...

i remember reading a while ago that it is caused by a metabolite of testosterone called etiocholanone. It apparently acts as a pyrogen causing fever. It rises as testosterone does...

I'm not sure how true that statement as i read it on another forum a while ago...

[Dozer1980]

Hey bros I know exactally how you feel with the soreness i am off work today from pinning some UG labs test E in left quad on fri pain was so bad and knee sweeled up huge with a very hard bump 1" above the site and got a wicked fever over night went to the emerg and he said i had a infection gave me some anti-inflamatories and some antibiotics today after tkaing all the meds the swelling and pain has gone way down i blame myself however for not swabbing the site first did another shot this morn in glutes properly and cant feel a thing so hope this stuff is ok however might be somethin to think about if the swelling doesnt go down or u get a fever just my 2 cents hope ya feel better!

[White T]

It must be test flu.. I feel good enough to lift now but the light headache lingers. Nothing that will keep me out of the gym or away from food though.

My biggest concern now is the bright red all over my bicep which I injected last Wednesday (5 days ago). Is it worth going to the doctor and getting a prescription or should I wait to see if it goes away on its own? I don't feel hot or have a fever, but the area itself is noticeably red. I am not sure what to do about it, or just let it be...

Dozer: What did you tell the doc in Emerg as to why you had a swollen thigh? Did he know it was from pinning?

[Dozer1980]

Being a welder myself i told him that i had gottin a long piece of wire off the floor stuck in my leg which i removed to avoid the whole lecture. that imo would cause the same sort of infection as a dirty gear shot. Hope this helps redness imo is a bad sign and if the area is hot both signs of infection.

[jsv22]

My biggest concern now is the bright red all over my bicep which I injected last Wednesday (5 days ago). Is it worth going to the doctor and getting a prescription or should I wait to see if it goes away on its own? I don't feel hot or have a fever, but the area itself is noticeably red. I am not sure what to do about it, or just let it be...


is the red growing at all? (mark the borders with a pen or soemthing)...is the area itself still really sore? or increasing in soreness?

[waderow]

this topic has been raised 20 times in the last 4 months at least.

The new UG gear is using obviously more solvent, and often EO to accommodate more higher concentrations.

Lots of people are having reactions to the gear.

Most people will have pain in a bicep shot with any gear if not used to it. Same goes for delt, and tri....any smaller muscle.

Avoid them altogether, as you are doing a low volume cycle. Stick to glutes and quads.

I only start hitting upper body when volumes get too high, and jabs too frequent. I also have used sub-q to alleviate this problem.

I think that SA test E is in EO. You are likely havign a bad reaction to the EO, and it is a minute chance it is infection, provided you did a proper jab and were clean about it.

[White T]

Bros thanks for the replies. I am feeling much better now..stomach and headache have gone away by tonight. The past 2 nights I have woken up in the middle of the night drenched in sweat, which never happened to me before. Not that it bothers me particularly. The redness on my bicep has not gone away, but the pain has not become worse. In fact, I noticed my delt which I injected 2 days ago is also becoming very red, just like the bicep. I did clean shots both times, swabbing with a q-tip and alcohol and always washing hands before handling anything. It sounds more believable what waderow is saying that it is a reaction to the EO in the gear from SA.

waderow: If it is just a reaction, do you know how long it typically lasts before redness goes away?

[Repmeister]

I am using the exact same gear as you - SA 300 Testothate. I have had no problems. Only two moderatley sore shots - one in right quad and the other in left glute. I used SA 400 last year and they were much more painful. I am also using EQ this time so this may be smoothing them out a bit but I also understand the SA stopped using EO in their gear but am not sure about this. I would stick to the larger muscles as was said. Be sure you are going deep. How long are the pins you are using. I use 1.5 inch in glutes and quad and 1" in shoulders. Pain and swelling can also be from shots being too shallow and coming up into adipose tissue. Also, watch your injection speed. I count out about a second per cc. Leave the needle in for about 10- to 15 seconds after you finish the injection so the oil doesn't get drawn up into the adipose and massage the spot with an alcohol swab for about a minute to disperse the oil a bit. I don't heat the oil at all - room temp is fine.

[trainharder]

Also, watch your injection speed. I count out about a second per cc.

I'm guessing that's a typo? I would recommend about 20 seconds per cc.

[Repmeister]

Oops. Yes. Sorry. I meant 1 second per 1/10 of a cc. Thanks for catching that.

[waderow]

waderow: If it is just a reaction, do you know how long it typically lasts before redness goes away?

some of the guys reported 2 weeks on here, Me? never had a reaction like that.... only ever been ****ed over with crashing gear and just plain ol' painful shit.

never had a red infection looking reaction, as i too would be alarmed like you guys.

[Repmeister]

waderow: If it is just a reaction, do you know how long it typically lasts before redness goes away?


The one bad quad shot I had last year lasted about 10 days. The first four were effing excruciating - I mean limp all over the place painful and I couldn't go down stairs properly. But that wasn't red and swollen - just hurt alot. Kept me from doing any more quad shots that whole cycle. I had one pec shot that went bad last year also like you describe - red, hot to the touch, hard lump (but no head) and hurt alot. Couldn't stretch my arm back without a lot of pain. I figure I hit a lymphnode on that one - pecs are bad for that. I do those sparinly. It lasted about two weeks with gradually diminishing pain. Lump went down gradually too but lasted for about the full two weeks. I had no fever in either case.

[Repmeister]

The one bad quad shot I had last year lasted about 10 days. The first four were effing excruciating - I mean limp all over the place painful and I couldn't go down stairs properly. But that wasn't red and swollen - just hurt alot. Kept me from doing any more quad shots that whole cycle. I had one pec shot that went bad last year also like you describe - red, hot to the touch, hard lump (but no head) and hurt alot. Couldn't stretch my arm back without a lot of pain. I figure I hit a lymphnode on that one - pecs are bad for that. I do those sparinly. It lasted about two weeks with gradually diminishing pain. Lump went down gradually too but lasted for about the full two weeks. I had no fever in either case.[/QUOTE]