Steroid use fertility/sterility.

[ezturbo]

Anyone got any input. Is it just media hype or is there truth behind it, just posting cause I was wondering if someone had some articles/studies. I know when your on, your counts low, but what about irreversible sterility. Had an interesting convo with a doctor today so its burned in my head hah. Cheers :P

[Houstonbc]

use hcg throughout your cycles and you will never be shut down very hard and will be able to have a little turbo running aorund one day

[DRDOOM]

Ya all the studies show shut down but I ended up getting the wifey prego

with twins mid cycle. Either I have super swimmers or I need to get my

kids a DNA test. I pray it's not the latter.


DRDOOM

[ezturbo]

use hcg throughout your cycles and you will never be shut down very hard and will be able to have a little turbo running aorund one day

I would totally agree, but I recently heard HCG just keeps your nads producing test, the quality of your little soliders is still questionable. I dunno.

[Houstonbc]

just lowers sperm count instead of 50-500 MILLION swimmers per batch maybe your only gonna have 30-470 million

Ronnie just had triplets last year i think and im pretty sure he uses more than the average joe

[Dk]

just lowers sperm count instead of 50-500 MILLION swimmers per batch maybe your only gonna have 30-470 million

Ronnie just had triplets last year i think and im pretty sure he uses more than the average joe

dont you read magazines, all ronnie uses is No explode and cell mass

[Houstonbc]

you forgot NITRIX too bro!

[ezturbo]

you forgot NITRIX too bro!

how long do you cycle that stuff? :D
yeah you bring a ****ing strong arguement.

[JonnyO]

I been using off and on for the last 13 years, soon as I wanted to get the wife pregnant I came off and 7 months later it was a done deal.

[Descimus]

Isnt test more effective then condom as a contraceptive? Dunno where i read that but i took it to the word :D

[Dk]

Isnt test more effective then condom as a contraceptive? Dunno where i read that but i took it to the word :D

haha i dunno about that.

but until further notice, this is enough justification for me.

brb, accidently makin kids.

[bmorlock]

Isnt test more effective then condom as a contraceptive? Dunno where i read that but i took it to the word :D


not true my man , i got my girl prego in december .. i was on at that point for 13 months , no hcg

[ezturbo]

not true my man , i got my girl prego in december .. i was on at that point for 13 months , no hcg

My sorta answer bro.
Cheeeeers.

[big_luse]

It all depends - some people even after long use still pump out enough FSH to stimulate the sertoli cells enough to have a good count.

The other day I read an article were a guy had been on TRT for 11 years straight - threw some HCG into the mix and conceived within a few weeks.

Everyones different, but the testes tends to be more resilient with respect to producing sperm than testosterone - evolutionary trait? I dunno.

[Vomit]

After reading many relevant studies I have found that generally 300mg/week of test is enough to cause azospermia in the majority (I think the figure is around 80%) of men after 3 months. The longer you are on the greater the proportion of men who become azospermic. However the amount of time required to achieve azospermia is generally quite long which has led many a bodybuilder to father a child during a cycle. Also the rates of azospermia dont reach 100% which has led some guys to father children even after 11 months of being on (like the previous poster).

It seems like the only sure fire way to achieve sterility is to use test plus a progestin. This is because progestins inhibit FSH to a much greater degree then either test or estrogen. THe function of this is that when a women gets pregnant the fetus causes her to produce extra progesterone to maintain the endometrium. THe womens body detects the extra progesterone and inhibits FSH and LH secretion to prevent further ovulation. Essentially the same process occurs in men. THis is the rational for the female birth control pill. THe estrogen in the pill is added to prevent side effect such as breakthrough bleeding,, but essentially it is the progesterone that inhibits ovulation.

In men studies have been conducted using medroxyprogesterone and test and have found that the rates of azospermia can approach 80% after 1 month of use. Furthermore the rates of azospermia continue to increase until nearly every man is infertily at the 3 month point.

Progress and prospects in male hormonal contraception.
Amory JK.

Center for Research in Reproduction and Contraception, Department of Medicine, University of Washington, Seattle, Washington 98195, USA. jamory@u.washington.edu

PURPOSE OF REVIEW: Testosterone functions as a contraceptive by suppressing the secretion of luteinizing hormone and follicle-stimulating hormone from the pituitary. Low concentrations of these hormones deprive the testes of the signals required for spermatogenesis and results in markedly decreased sperm concentrations and effective contraception in a majority of men. Male hormonal contraception is well tolerated and acceptable to most men. Unfortunately, testosterone-alone regimens fail to completely suppress spermatogenesis in all men, meaning that in some the potential for fertility remains. RECENT FINDINGS: Because of this, novel combinations of testosterone and progestins, which synergistically suppress gonadotropins, have been studied. Two recently published testosterone/progestin trials are particularly noteworthy. In the first, a long-acting injectable testosterone ester, testosterone decanoate, was combined with etonogestrel implants and resulted in 80-90% of subjects achieving a fewer than 1 million sperm per milliliter. In the second, a daily testosterone gel was combined with 3-monthly injections of depot medroxyprogesterone acetate producing similar results. SUMMARY: Testosterone-based hormone combinations are able to reversibly suppress human spermatogenesis; however, a uniformly effective regimen has remained elusive. Nevertheless, improvements, such as the use of injectable testosterone undecanoate, may lead to a safe, reversible and effective male contraceptive.

I have conducted experiments on myself (yes I have looked at my jizz with my microscope) and I have found out that SERMS and AI can prevent azospermia once it is achieved with 300mg/week test injections. Just letting guys know that if you throw a serm or AI into your schedule it may be enough to increase FSH to make more sperm.

[Descimus]

crap ill have to put a helmet now

[Praetorian]

Isnt test more effective then condom as a contraceptive? Dunno where i read that but i took it to the word :D

Definitely NOT! There are many guys out there with kids who thought they were protected because they were ON...not the case.
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[jsv22]

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