oral only

[wmaher3]

I am just about to begin week 4 of an oral only cycle.
week 1-3 60mg var ed
week 4-10 60mg var ed & 40mg Tbol ed
Couldnt get my hands on the tbol at the begining.

I am 212lbs 6'3" 26 years old been hitting the gym for about 8 months 4 days a week and 1 day soccer apart from my girl this day is my only cardio ;). I am healthy eat well. Good amount of carbs, some shit food. Keep my protien to about 260g ed and creatine about 10g a day.

I have stopped drinking for the cycle which was only a one or two nights a week nothing heavy though, well maybe once a month a heavy one. I have no reason to think my liver isnt perfectly healthy right now. I had lipid test about a year ago it was perfect. I have been living the same lifstyle since I was a teen.

Strength has gone up a bit just starting to notice the var. Noticable fat loss and and crazy pumps. Looking foward to the tbol addition tommorrow.

BTW this is my first cycle.

I know everyone is gonna say hey try test. I am taking this because I like the androgenic profiles of these substances.

My questions are:

For only those who have done somthing similar is PCT nessescary? Just hearing a lot of opposing opinions on this. (So far havent noticed any sides what so ever andro or otherwise)

xxx Var & xxx Var anyone tried them before? I have a bit of both.

Dont have my tbol yet not sure of the breand but it is a trusted source.

What about my liver, keep in mind my dose/wieght/duration am I really going to town on it? My doc says milk thistle is a scam. He says it barely does anything. (In an unrelated conversation) How long should i let it recoup? What foods should I avoid because of cholesterol? Any lipid related suggestions? Also and this might sound stupid do you think it is a good idea to let my doc know what I am doing do u think he would monitor my liver for me?

Your knowledge would be very much apreciated.

[#8]

anavar has virtually zero androgenic effect, it is purely anabolic. you will see decent gains off this if you eat right. you most likely wont keep much of it, but i hope you fair better than i did on my first (oral only cycle). good luck :)

[theboss]

tisk tisk.........you need to do more reseach.....and eat more...you dont need gear....you need food son............and only 8 months in the gym?????? I was 16 years natural (not consistent enough) before AAS...

[pinhead]

you will grow, and you will lose it

Many do an oral cycle at first and regret it after they try an injectible.

[wmaher3]

I eat loads....I understand the most anabolic substance i could possibly take is food. I have a good 5 meals a day large ones.... I never let my daily protein fall below 260 is what i mean. For instance Today I have had a 4 egg omlette, a tuna sandwhich. I am having two trouts tonight, and a blender full of shake with about 80g of protien in it over the day. today is a light day on food because i have a soccer game inthe evening. 8 months of regulr gym. but beofre that it was 4-5 days of insane cardio for years. I played on 2 soccer teams and practiced with 3. the occassionl gym visit but not ofen with all that cardio.

[L3]

hey bro, your best bet would have been to get bloodwork done before and after, if youve ever taken supplements etc your values would be higher before you even started, so its good to know those kinds of things.

btw thats a great cycle, dont listen to them when they say you will loose it. those two compounds your running are KNOWN for giving you slow, steady gains that you will keep. you may loose a few pounds after PCT (as happends with ALLL compounds) but your physique will have definately changed if you took care of your diet and excercise. get plenty of sleep and you should grow like a weed.

i ran a oral only cycle, this helped with my liver: absolutely NO alcohol if youre running this amount of orals.. these also helped me out and you should supplement all of them DURING and AFTER:

-Liv 52
-Milk THistle
-NAC
-rALA

if you wanna go the extra step:

-Astralagus ROot
-Artichoke Extract
-Turmeric

after your cycle is done wait 2 months get bloodwork done and then decide if you want to go ahead and drink alcohol again. i've stopped completely since but thats just me. for lipid values you can take Garlic Extract but just keep your food clean, healthy fats and you should have no problems your young and you do lost of sports no worries....

since this is your first cycle, you can consider it as a virgin liver (unless your an alchy)... thats why you can do so many orals at once. make it count and go all out.

what about PCT? you dont mention that. also think about getting some viagra/cialis i noticed i was horny as **** but could not give 100% when it counted.

[tex]

8 months and he's ready to cycle.....all oral..........doesnt have half of his cycle on hand......yep......good luck......i would say something really rude but it won't matter....

[wmaher3]

wow. people are so quick to judge on here.... my cycle is waiting for me....this isnt a cheap one....I pick up the rest tommorrow. Thats not a worry to me, and should definatly not be any of your concern.

I know 8 months of building isnt lots but i am very athletic, i was the chairman of my university boxing club for 4 years. I rowed for them and played soccer at the same time. I am in great shape, so please dont judge my experience. If you bother to read my post I am asking questions not looking for flammers.

some elitest bastards on here!

thankyou very much "legaliz3" i will head your advice.

[waderow]

some people will flame you because an oral only cycle is that ****ing stupid. plain and simple.
It has nothing to do with elitism

why no inject?

[St]

You will do amazing with T-bol by Teragon,and you still will need some PCT after your cycle.

[wmaher3]

Well the main reason is the andro profiles of these two substances.

I am looking for lasting gains, I dont care if it takes forever. body building isnt for impatient people.

I dont want my balls to disapear

I dont want to deal with Gyno or anything andro related

I would have liked some primo depot but cant find any.

Oh and I wanna trim up some excess BF

Why is this cycle so stupid?

[waderow]

personally, i would sooner take 4-500mg masteron prop per week versus your oral only cycle.... based on profiles and side effects (or lack of)

[St]

Well the main reason is the andro profiles of these two substances.

I am looking for lasting gains, I dont care if it takes forever. body building isnt for impatient people.

I dont want my balls to disapear

I dont want to deal with Gyno or anything andro related

I would have liked some primo depot but cant find any.

Oh and I wanna trim up some excess BF

Why is this cycle so stupid?

You balls can still shrink it even in the Book:Inside the East German Doping Machine.
Gyno from T-bol is once your cycle is done from Estrogen Rebound,pct a must.

[wmaher3]

TY will do

[Descimus]

Only oral only cycle i would do is with t-bol man that stuff is great :D
Good luck on your cycle bro. St i love you avy.

[wmaher3]

Well if anyone is interested heres an update. So we are at week 7, 12lbs up. I am feeling hard as a rock. My strength is noticibly increased. About 20% in fact. I am suprising myself everytime I go to the Gym.

Vascularity is imroved. My last few soccer games I have been running like a demon. Maybe its part psycological but whatever it is I dont care!!!

I am pleased to say no bad sides of note.

The pumps are ridiculous. I have a real hard time with seated rows, when my arms pass my chest I feel like I am going to pop.

I guess my body fat is going down a bit but I thought I would see more of a difference in my mid section. Perhaps the water from the creatine hiding it? Six pack is bit more prominent but i am noticing the fat loss in my legs and upper body more.

I have a question. I havent been off of creatine for months. Will I loose water wieght when if I do stop? How much could I expect? Do those of you who compete stop before a show etc? I have never really given it much thought. Also I take normal creatine all max stuff. Are prducts like super pump etc worth while?

I have always had a little acne but it hasnt really increased, but i hit the tanning bed every two weeks i find it keeps it under control.

Libido seems okay. Everyone warned me about that but luckily havent noticed anything.

When I switched to xxx var I got really bad indegestion but that has gone away.

[HeavyD]

good job... glad to hear things are going well, and that you dont have tits yet.

but you must understand, you come to a BB forum for advice, but it is clear that you have already made up your mind. these guys opions are purely focused on the better of your health/keeping gains.... they are only trying to help.

i just think you should have posted on a sports/soccer forum.... not saying you are not welcome, but these guys try to look out for you and then do what you want....

what else would you expect?

[Lukin2grow]

Wmaher3....

I know it seems like people here are being ridiculously dismissive and judgemental in regards to both the oral only cycle and the bodybuilding experience you have, but I can say to you that in my opinion it's simply because they've been there.
Yes you will naturally see gains on any anabolic substance. If it's legit, it will work. What you probably aren't considering is the reality of the body. Genetics combined with the very strong template of your constitution to keep you in the 'normal' range of weight and size is the thing you're fighting against. Your body doesn't give a damn that you want to be 10 to 20 lbs heavier...it's found it's own idea of what you 'should' be in order to be healthy and in homeostasis.
So even when the average person goes to work out in the gym, it takes a serious amount of effort, eating and time to gradually change this internal clock in order to alter your set point. Anabolic cycles are 'cheating' the system and trying to speed up the process considerably. While you can do this...it is even more difficult to make it 'stick'. Do you get where I'm coming from? From the many years of cycle experience, these people are telling you from real world expert advice that oral only cycles ultimately DO NOT LAST. That's why they are trying to save you the aggravation of watching you get excited...throw on a bunch of pounds...and then come back in a year depressed that you are now the very same weight that you started and do they have advice on how to run a cycle that lasts.

Testosterone is the king of anabolic substances. It's because it IS the main hormone responsible for muscle growth and the analogues, although anabolic are only moderately effective in their sustainability. Like it or not, test injections are crucial to at the very least, the majority of steroid users when it comes to long term, sustainable gains. PCT or not, if orals were truly as effective, do you really think so many people on so many forums would be united in decrying them? Usually where there's smoke there's fire. However, maybe you'll be one of the lucky ones. There are always exceptions to the rule. Good luck my friend. ;)

[nitrous]

i'll be brief and if you want i can go more in depth just let me know...


unlike most people i think its nottt that bad of a first cycle.. i have done 2 oral only cycles and kept gains both times (although now i will inject probably everytime)

both compounds you chose are the best for oral only i would say since both are known for giving you keepable gains so good job there... yes PCT will be required and yes your nuts will shrink.. you should have gotten everything you needed before actually starting

finally you need to up the protein.. i weigh quite a bit less than you (given i am only 5'6) but i aim for 400 grams a day of protein.. also you should be doing more cardio than just one day of soccer and sex ;) maybe throw in some walking for 30-45 minutes on another day...that should help deal with any fat you might gain while eating more to support more muscle