1st cycle

[Smoke Eater]

Hey guys, was going to post this a while back but have been busy.

I'm now about 4 weeks into my very first cycle. D-bol only. Might throw in some winny a little later on....

Hahaha... okay just kidding. Test cyp only 500mg/week, 2 shots a week. Will be running this for 10 weeks total. Things have been quite good; strength is up quite a bit and weight is up about 12lbs from the start of the cycle. I'm sure some of it is water weight, but I don't feel bloated at all. I'm pleased so far, but we'll see how the next few weeks go.

My question is this. Do any of you get night sweats while on test? I've heard it is common with tren, but not test. Some nights I'll wake up at about 2 or 3 am and just be covered in sweat... bed and pillow soaked. It seems to be hit or miss as to when this will occur. Maybe happens about 2 out of 3 nights. Thoughts?

Oh, and of course I have all my pct goodies ready (hcg, clomid, novla) cause I know you all will ask :p

[ergie]

Good to hear the cycles going well, keep us updated. Like SB said anything can cause night sweats........

[bigdaddydrew123]

i always have trouble sleeping while on anything, but true anything can give you sweats. you should do well on this , keep lots of protein going , i agree after your done cycle is mostr important. keep training going through pct. iremember one cycle i trained hard right on through after cycle was done. kept most of strength, other time hurt my back during pct , couldnt train for two weeks.strenght dropped alot! ithink key is to keep it goin hard after cycle is done, big help in keeping gains. good luck post results

[Smoke Eater]

Yea, I kind of figured the night sweats could happen with anything. It's kind of nasty though... can't grind up against the girlfriend in the morning before I shower. She gets kind of mad. :D On the bright side, I am now ready each night in case I wake up... I keep a protein shake in the bathroom and have myself a quick little snack.

In regards to training post cycle... I read something somewhere that said if you expect to loose strength and mass after you stop a cycle, you will. Expect to continue making gains, and you will (of course at a much slower rate). So yea, I consider pct to be not only in the drugs that you take, but in the nutrition and training you do in the several weeks post cycle.

[germanbeast]

You would like to sweat then go up to 1g per week :D

I'm just kidding... But why you do a testo c cycle for only 10 weeks.
After 10 weeks it will really start to work. Testo P cycle minimum 10-12 weeks
but cycle with long ester should be in my opinion minimum 16-20 weeks + taper.

[ergie]

16-20 weeks is a long cycle GB, there's nothing wrong with a 10 weeks cycle it works just fine. IMO there is no need to taper, if you still have any outside test in you you'll be shut down.

[germanbeast]

We are taking about a long ester which needs already a long time before it really works. It is not like testo p where you already have the full power after few days. From my experience 10weeks can work for short ester but for long ester you will waste a lot when you stop with the cycle already after this time.

You are right there is no need to taper but I do it with testo p + Clomifen.

If I compare the result until and from week 10 on I can say that I gain a lot in these 6 weeks.

[ergie]

Everyone is entitled to there own opinion but that is bad advise to a guy who is doing his first cycle.

[bigdaddydrew123]

Everyone is entitled to there own opinion but that is bad advise to a guy who is doing his first cycle.
i aggree 10 weeks is ashort cycle for test. if i was him and things were going well i would keep it going another 4 weeks. i find test just gets going good after 8 weeks. if iwas doing 10 weeks iwould do prop. interesting to here other opinions on this. ifeel 16 weeks minimum for test cyp or en. chime in guys

[germanbeast]

Yes maybe but it is also not correct to conceal that you will gain a lot after these 10 weeks. When you are doing a cycle it doesn't matter if you do it for 10 or 16 weeks. Or can you explain why there should be a difference? Sorry but I don't see that because your HPTA is already killed so that you need the same time to recover.

[ergie]

The longer your on the longer it takes for your body to start producing test again, the longer you are shut down the more gains you will lose. Just my 2 cents though, maybe others can chime in.

[germanbeast]

But that's why you should taper and use for example Clomifen to get back faster your own testo production.

The fastest way to recover can be done with Tamoxifen and Clomifen. Even if your are doing a deca cycle you will have after 2 weeks perfect testo results (week 1-3 Tamox and Clom and from week 4 to 6 Clom only).

[bigdaddydrew123]

i feel gains are more solid and easier to keep with longer cycles . 10 weeks you bloat up add little muscle lose water back almost to square 1. longer cycles you add more muscle because you are anabolic for longer time i felt i made real gains when i started doing 16 plus week cycles, you dont have to dose high either i dont usually go over 500/ week test and make great gains . my 2 cents

[germanbeast]

Yes that's right bro I agree!

[Smoke Eater]

Interesting thoughts from german and bigdaddy. I do think though that I will stick to the 10 weeks planned. This first cycle, while I'm hoping for some great results, is also to gauge how my body reacts and recovers to test. If I was just going for monstrous results I could have ran 1g/week stacked with multiple other drugs all for 20 weeks. But then I wouldn't have any clue as to how my body reacts to each individual compound in that stack, or how easy/hard it is to recover and keep gains from different time frames while on. Of course that's not to say that I will ALWAYS run 10 week cycles, but at least I will have a sort of baseline experience that I can compare future cycles to and determine what is most effective for me.

[bigdaddydrew123]

yes 1st cycle prob smart. prop would have been ideal.but if all goes good next time go for longer, you will like results . dont go crazy with doses tho.good luck post progress.

[germanbeast]

Don't go crazy with doses it is better to run a cycle for several weeks (>16 weeks) as to go up to 1g testo per week. You don't even need stacks to grow.
First try everything with testo only. After your 3-rd or 4-th cycle you can start to stack.

[R.F.S.]

If you want to fully take advantage of the test, run it for 16 weeks. You will feel the effects right away but since it's a long acting ester that we're talking about it won't fully kick in until about the 5th week or so. I usually taper off of a cycle without any clomid or nolva and it seems to work well for me. depending on your age but usually 2-3 weeks after a cycle your testes should be back to pretty much normal. Also getting blood work is also a good idea.

[Smoke Eater]

Hey guys. I haven’t been on here much as work has been crazy and I spend my extra time training, eating and screwing… in that order. :cool: So I thought an update is in order.

10 weeks has passed and I’m up 31 lbs. I’m sure some is water gain and a little of that is fat gain but it is well within acceptable levels for the amount that I have been eating. Strength has jumped nicely (squat + 60lbs, bench +45lbs). So needless to say I’m pretty happy with the results so far.

Now for the hard part. I figure the most critical part is to keep and solidify the gains post cycle. I guess the biggest fear is to loose everything that I worked hard for over the last 10 weeks. So I’ll continue to bust my ass and make sure I do everything to keep what I gained.

Question for you more experienced guys: during pct, do I continue to inhale enough food to feed a small country, or will this just cause excessive fat gain? Should I scale the calories back by 500/day or 1000? I figure I’d eat about maintenance +500 cal (this being maintenance levels while not assisted). Sound about right?

Thanks to everybody for their help.

[BloodRage]

Your diet should be of the highest QUALITY during pct to keep muscle and minimize fat accumulation.

also important to cut back on workout intensity and or duration/frequency.



Hey guys. I haven’t been on here much as work has been crazy and I spend my extra time training, eating and screwing… in that order. :cool: So I thought an update is in order.

10 weeks has passed and I’m up 31 lbs. I’m sure some is water gain and a little of that is fat gain but it is well within acceptable levels for the amount that I have been eating. Strength has jumped nicely (squat + 60lbs, bench +45lbs). So needless to say I’m pretty happy with the results so far.

Now for the hard part. I figure the most critical part is to keep and solidify the gains post cycle. I guess the biggest fear is to loose everything that I worked hard for over the last 10 weeks. So I’ll continue to bust my ass and make sure I do everything to keep what I gained.

Question for you more experienced guys: during pct, do I continue to inhale enough food to feed a small country, or will this just cause excessive fat gain? Should I scale the calories back by 500/day or 1000? I figure I’d eat about maintenance +500 cal (this being maintenance levels while not assisted). Sound about right?

Thanks to everybody for their help.