There be MAGIC after 100mg

[Body By Balco]

It's been a while since I've been on....not much gym time either. Things have settled on the home front enough that's it's time to the plunge. Actually I told my old lady that I'm going back on and she suck my ass if she didn't like it. It went over better than I had imagined. (Chalk one up for taking an assertive stance. :) )

I wanted to do something different, something that I hadn't read about, to experiment a little. I read time and time again how anything over 60-80mg of Var is a waste, some saying that 100mg was good but too expensive, blah blah blah. As well there wasn't much (nothing) posted about higher dose Drostanoloe use, 600-700mg weekly was the usual dose.

So here is the current cycle:

200mg of Var ED
200mg of Drost Prop ED


10 days in and YEAH baby. I've lost 1.5 inches on my waste...( no shit at all), and added 6lbs to my weight. My diet is crap, always has been, always will be. I have food issues so I eat what I want when I want but just try to keep the junk in check. Suffice to say that if I want I slice of pizza, I go get it without hesitation. The ****ing body recomp is amazing. I can't wait until I actually make it into the gym.....LMAO!


Since I haven't been in a while I had some mild blood pressue issues that are subsiding, or I'm accomodating...either way it is feeling better everyday. The other issue is nearly a complete loss of libido. I have the best erections on my life right now (I could hunt and kill wild game with this thing) but absolutely no desire to use it. Actually this really isn't a negative side effect since I won't be out chasing skirt pissing off the old lady. It's almost slightly refreshing not to have a runaway libido.


So as I stated in the title...There be Magic after 100mg.

[natenator]

Holy ****. I knew you weren't keen for test base cycle anymore but geez... 200mg var and 2000mg masteron? Wowie! lol

Wish I could afford that bad boy! ha

Good to see you posting again bud!

[quebecbulk]

There's gonna be a lot of magic coming from a cycle like that:beer

Let er rip BBB..lol

[Big D]

nice,,, keep us posted.

[nitrous]

wow thats a lot of var

[L3]

if they give var to ppl with aids, then by laws of inversion, taking too much will give you aids??

seriously tho, let us know how things work out.

do you think you'll be experiencing any extraordinary strenght gains from that dose of var?

[dku]

I think you should at least be working out if you're taking that much gear.

[natenator]

I think you should at least be working out if you're taking that much gear.
BBB is a special individual. He has a method to his madness. Actually he doesn't but the madness is def. legit lol

[Houstonbc]

If anyone else posted up a cycle like this you guys would be all over him.

[natenator]

If anyone else posted up a cycle like this you guys would be all over him.
Difference is some of us actually know the dude and his experience level.

[jsv22]

DAMN i, too, have heard var at 100mg is pretty magical....LMAO may as well double it

200mg of drost prop ED LMAO holy shit

[quebecbulk]

[QUOTE=natenator;154419]Difference is some of us actually know the dude and his experience level.[/QUOTE

Indeed!

[#8]

i wish i could afford that much var (you lucky bastard) :P

[natenator]

lol yeah he's the same guy who hooked up an IV rig with vit. c so get rid of a cold. LOL

[Houstonbc]

lol yeah he's the same guy who hooked up an IV rig with vit. c so get rid of a cold. LOL

ahh lol i see we're dealing with a special case here.

[natenator]

ahh lol i see we're dealing with a special case here.
oh yeah, BBB is one of a kind :D Fine line between genius and insane and I think he walks more on the insane part of the line than genius ;)

[nitrous]

lol yeah he's the same guy who hooked up an IV rig with vit. c so get rid of a cold. LOL

hahahahaahaha that is awesome

[Kilburn]

u dont even work out? WTF? lol...

[natenator]

u dont even work out? WTF? lol...
and I bet he stills weighs more and is leaner than you :D

[Leviathan]

Holy ****. I knew you weren't keen for test base cycle anymore but geez... 200mg var and 2000mg masteron? Wowie! lol

Wish I could afford that bad boy! ha

Good to see you posting again bud!

Why doesn't he like test base cycles anymore?

And 200mg of Var is crazy man, how are the pumps and the strength gains?

[natenator]

Why doesn't he like test base cycles anymore?

And 200mg of Var is crazy man, how are the pumps and the strength gains?
I'll let HIM explain that one :) But, does it matter? His personal choice based on knowing his body.

[Kronis]

and I bet he stills weighs more and is leaner than you :D
:rofl you really have it in for that guy, eh?

Anyways, I'm interested in how this works out. I've never heard of anyone running var @ this high of an amount so it should be interesting.

[Kilburn]

and I bet he stills weighs more and is leaner than you :D

right now probably ive been off for almost 4 months and for the last week i was sick as a dog wth a fever, couldnt eat or train.

it sucks.

[JonnyO]

I'll let HIM explain that one :) But, does it matter? His personal choice based on knowing his body.

Holy hop along cassidy rag...lol. You know more about him than he does himself....kinda creepy.

[natenator]

Holy hop along cassidy rag...lol. You know more about him than he does himself....kinda creepy.
nah. I just remember his posts from Nexus lol

what is a cassidy rag though?

[azian257]

200mgs of masteron ED o_O

so much dht...all my hair would fall out, even the ones on my ass...

[ezturbo]

I wanna try! That's alot of var. Wow.

[srt8]

The amount of heart burn i'd get would be insane, i thought 40-60mg of anavar was bad haha.

[cedric]

whoa, welcome back. look forward to following how this goes.
bbb, the human science experiment.

[hyperlite32]

If anyone else posted up a cycle like this you guys would be all over him.


X2 !

I am amazed that there hasnt been a firestorm!!

Shitty diet/not training?

[Body By Balco]

So far no heart burn or hair loss....I'm still a sexy beast LOL!!!

I'm not looking for huge strenght gains....I'm going to for the svelt fitness model body so I can look great in my speedo this summer. LMFAO!!!!


It looks like I've been busting my hump at the gym and slamming down the miles on the cardio machines. T minus 3 days until I land at the gym. I would never have thought that androgens alone with no physical stimulation of the musculature could produce such a noticable physique change. If I was on this dose of Test I'd be a bloated melon head.

[AlbertaBeef]

Sounds like you have more of a gift of drug tolerance and no doubt some what of a genetic freak all of which I covet and not to mention your popularity so hats off!! You should have a disclaimer in yor sig for the kids at home NOT to try this :D

[jsv22]

So far no heart burn or hair loss....I'm still a sexy beast LOL!!!

I'm not looking for huge strenght gains....I'm going to for the svelt fitness model body so I can look great in my speedo this summer. LMFAO!!!!


It looks like I've been busting my hump at the gym and slamming down the miles on the cardio machines. T minus 3 days until I land at the gym. I would never have thought that androgens alone with no physical stimulation of the musculature could produce such a noticable physique change. If I was on this dose of Test I'd be a bloated melon head.

i've see studies on var in older men that has shown a significant change in fat mass after 12 weeks at 20 or 40mg/day....var definitely increases the amount of fat oxidized...i can't imagine what it would do at 200mg....

did you take any pics before you started?

[Body By Balco]

I've been thinking about this since the beginning of this cycle and have not had any satisfactory answers come to mind.

Test Prop hurts my ass to even look at a bottle. All other Test preparations (esters) including aqueous suspensions if properly prepared, are pain free injections for me. Boldenone and its varied esters are nearly identical in experience. Bold Cyp and Bold Und, painless. Bold Suspension is a bit of a different animal but it can be mamaged. Bold Prop...........YIKES.......! There is no need to expand upon my experiences with this monster.

So one would begin to surmise that the propionate ester is the problem. This is my first time using Drostanolone Prop (fear of the Prop beast......) I have use Drost Enan before. 2cc of Drost Prop is 100% painless. This is likely THE least painful oil based injectable I have used. No burising, no lumps, nada.....nuttin'.



???Any thoughts???

[natenator]

am I the lucky one to have never experienced much pain before? About 4 months after I started gear which I was buying from UGL's I decided to start brewing my own. I'm a cheap bastard in this regard lol

The ONLY product I have ever put into me which caused pain was prep/tren combo (100mg of each per ml) and it didn't seem to matter where I put it I'd still have soreness. But, that is the only thing.

Maybe it's just me?

[NorthOf60]

Balco, how is the cycle going? Are you still loosing the inches?

[tex]

update pleaseeeee......there are those of us who are curious as to the condition of your internals.....i know 100mg/day gave me a touch of gut rot and wicked back pumps but no other sides(besides my lipid profile taking a dive)

[cdnsoldier]

am I the lucky one to have never experienced much pain before? About 4 months after I started gear which I was buying from UGL's I decided to start brewing my own. I'm a cheap bastard in this regard lol

The ONLY product I have ever put into me which caused pain was prep/tren combo (100mg of each per ml) and it didn't seem to matter where I put it I'd still have soreness. But, that is the only thing.

Maybe it's just me?


Not just you. I home brew and rarely experience pain. The only time I get pain is when I use UGL or our "Chinese" "friend" and judging from the pain of his injects he ain't much of a friend.


Home brew is the way to go for me. I know what goes in and I know who make sit (me). So I can tailor what works for me and my body.

CMS is a God sent for me.

[baza]

You guys must be millionaires running anavar that high.
lol

[waderow]

If anyone else posted up a cycle like this you guys would be all over him.

lol especially Nate. "youre not a pro BB so why do you use masteron...ditch it unles its pre contest...ask praetorian waaaa"

LOL sorry nate, still lova ya bro.......... but its true

[natenator]

lol especially Nate. "youre not a pro BB so why do you use masteron...ditch it unles its pre contest...ask praetorian waaaa"

LOL sorry nate, still lova ya bro.......... but its true
like I said, there is a madness about B3 that very few of you understand. If you did then you'd be like, ohhhhh now I get it.

And I like to try things for the hell of it too to see how I react. I like masteron and have run it for purposes other than pre-contest but I also heed (now more than ever) what others say about using the right drug for the right reason.

[OntariOMuscle101]

This is the post that made me wanna run 100mg ED of Anavar. I absolutely love this oral @ this dose. Next time I will just stick with 80mg ED, it really makes no differance IMO.

[Ritch]

Would it be possible to make injectalbe anavar?

[baza]

Yes. But why?

[Ritch]

Yes. But why?

Wouldn`t it be easier on the body?

[natenator]

Wouldn`t it be easier on the body?
var is about the least harshest oral going

[Ritch]

var is about the least harshest oral going

Thanks nate.

[#8]

Would it be possible to make injectalbe anavar?

i too want an injectable version to come around. even if the orals arent THAT harsh, the liquid would be even less....

[Kronis]

Wouldn`t it be easier on the body?

No, drugs are tough on the body because of their structure, not their administration.

Injectable dbol is the same toxicity as oral dbol.

The only reason for injectables over orals is better absorbtion, and it's usually a very small difference.

[Body By Balco]

OK. Heartburn, only on the days I traveled and didn't take Var. Go figure.

200mg of Var, best if one has higher dosed tablets. 10mg tabs and I could feel them bouncing around in my stomach. There certainly is diminishing gains vs dose after some point. It's like income tax and over time. Guys bitch about working overtime and the Gov't taking so much so that it isn't worth it....however they are still making more than if that sat their fat ass on the couch for day. If money isn't an issue they power down 150 to 200mg and you'll be impressed.


I did have to add in 100mg of Proviron per day as my libido suffered badly. BTW, you guys really blow this oral toxicity WAY out of proportion. Most clowns on here induce far more liver strain from a weekend of partying, than they would from several weeks of oral hormones. The thing is no checks their elevated liver enzymes when they are hung-over Monday morning. Ask any old time power lifters who lived on Drol at doses that the mere mention of would give a body builder the shits. They are still kicking it, mowing the grass beside their white picket fence.

Drostanolone....kick ass drug in the right dose. No one uses enough to notice or previously could afford to use enough. The latter half of the previous being why there are still so many naively entrenched ideas in this community. Drug profiles and dosage patterns where written at a time when pricing and availability in North America were not close to what they are today.


Drost and Oxandrolone are two of the safest, side effect free hormones going.


I see all these monkey ****s using Test and shit blowing like salt fed cow at a water trough, only to diet down to far smaller than me. The weight of these guys looks like the blood profiles from you once per week injecters...yo-yo up and down. Doesn't that make anyone go WTF??? Slower, leaner gains on the way up, and keeping it while you stay in the gym.


A person contacted me telling me they tried a very similar cycle because of my post. 100mg ED of each of the following: Var, Drost and NPP. They said it was the best 21lbs they have ever added and their waist stayed exactly the same size.

[Body By Balco]

I did well from this cycle. Keeping thing in perspective, there was 500mg of hormones per day if you include Proviron. That's a lot, and it got tiring, especially the orals.

Would I do it again...NO. It was an experiment. Would I do 100mg or slightly more, in a heart beat, without hesitation.

[vegan_hunter]

Did you ever get your lipid profile checked when you were running all this?

[Body By Balco]

I apologise for my earlier rant...bad mood today.

Found my note book. 7.5 weeks on that cycle. I had surgery mid Apr so that stopped the cycle. Added 26 lbs of scale weight and lost a great deal of body fat, I don't know exactly how much. It was a visual assessment.

My workouts were very close to the Bill Star 5x5 program. I used the Olympic lifts as he originally prescribed.

Diet....whatever I wanted but trying to keep it on the cleaner side. As I said, I have food issues and I go cuckoo and nearly gag if my diet is too strict or controlled. Protein was 250g minimum per day.

Is there anything else anyone wants to know.

[Body By Balco]

Did you ever get your lipid profile checked when you were running all this?


I don't know the numbers. There was a battery of blood work done before the surgery and nothing was mentioned to me. I took that as a positive sign.

[waderow]

I apologise for my earlier rant...bad mood today.

Found my note book. 7.5 weeks on that cycle. I had surgery mid Apr so that stopped the cycle. Added 26 lbs of scale weight and lost a great deal of body fat, I don't know exactly how much. It was a visual assessment.

My workouts were very close to the Bill Star 5x5 program. I used the Olympic lifts as he originally prescribed.

Diet....whatever I wanted but trying to keep it on the cleaner side. As I said, I have food issues and I go cuckoo and nearly gag if my diet is too strict or controlled. Protein was 250g minimum per day.

Is there anything else anyone wants to know.

did you do a lot of cardio?

[Body By Balco]

did you do a lot of cardio?

Minimal. I tried to do 30 minutes of cardio twice per week but is was honestly hit and miss.

The 5x5 program involves squatting 3 times per week, 2 of them heavy. My legs, my body was tired.

[waderow]

personally, I feel squatting is an anabolic in itself. 3 per week and two heavy... makes me gag thinking about it.

Interesting though, and I could see some great results.

[srt8]

Proviron is supposed to be hard on ur hair yes, i used it and shed but was also using test so can't exactly say which did the most damage.

[Solo59]

Using proviron (mesterlone) while on 200 mg ED of masteron makes no sense since they are chemical cousins. Masteron will be a beneficial (or maddening) to the libido as proviron. (Both will work better with Test, of course.)

Solo

[Body By Balco]

Fortunately for me nothing has ever been hard on my hard line except injectable M1T.

Var has always been terrible for my libido and sexual function, even at 40mg ED. Noting that I make a disctintion between libido and function.

As I stated at the beginning fo the thread, my libido nose dived with in a few days. Function was stellar. I only added the proviron a couple of weeks into the cycle to try and rescue my libido, it worked. Masteron in this instance had no positive effect on my sexual desire.

Maybe some things do make sense...eh???

[hyperlite32]

This is a very interesting thread with great info... Thanks Body by balco and everyone elses input.

[Solo59]

Fortunately for me nothing has ever been hard on my hard line except injectable M1T.

Var has always been terrible for my libido and sexual function, even at 40mg ED. Noting that I make a disctintion between libido and function.

As I stated at the beginning fo the thread, my libido nose dived with in a few days. Function was stellar. I only added the proviron a couple of weeks into the cycle to try and rescue my libido, it worked. Masteron in this instance had no positive effect on my sexual desire.

Maybe some things do make sense...eh???

No, it still makes no sense unless you don't make sense and your body simply likes the one less molecule in Provi that's in the Masteron. But whatever gets your imagination working is just okay with me...

Solo