First Cycle

[Kronis]

Hey, someone asked me in the SA thread to make a thread so I figured I would. I'm not gonna go into anything too specific, just general updates. Here we go.

So I'm running SA dbol @ 20mg/day and some Herc Test C @ 490mg/week (210 E3D). I pretty much felt the dbol in full swing by day 4 and strength has been rapidly increasing since then.
Today is day 19

By day 14ish my nips started feeling a little itchy so I started taking nolva @ 40mg/day for 4 days, it completely stopped the itching after the first day but the pumps have really decreased so I've stopped the nolva a couple days ago and the massive pumps are almost fully back. Would have liked to only use 20mg but the caps are 40 and didn't want to try and guestimate half a cap.

I was also crazy horny when I first started the dbol but the nolva seems to have reverted me back to normal. We'll see how it is after the nolva fully wears off and the test kicks in.

Every muscle group is bigger (hooray for water weight) but my waist is still at 31" in the morning so it's good water weight.

Hair seems to be fine, don't think I'm losing anything more than the standard couple hairs a day.

Skin is actually better than when I started (it wasn't bad) because I've been religious about taking 2 showers a day.

Overall I feel awesome, workouts have been great, I feel like I'm fully recovered the next day and am actually considering trying 2 a day workouts a couple times a week. Off days feel like a complete waste of time but I know they're necessary.

[gustavo77]

Great to hear of your progress. First cycles are so cool...

Herc?? Now that's a blast from the past.

[Staffie111]

If your nips flare up again try 40mg eod instead of ed or trying to split them. Just a thought.

[Kronis]

^ Yeah, I think that's what I'll do. 40mg was way too much.

Haha, I got the Herc stuff back in the SSB days but didn't have everything in check until now. Glad I waited.

I've actually had it so long it's expired by a month but I don't care, using it anyway. :D

Already did shoulders/traps today but might do arms after dinner.

Oh, and injection sites I've used.
Delts - Easy
Quads - Easy but cramped pretty bad for a day after.
Traps - Ouch
Pecs - My favourite.

Next shot (in 3 days) is my other side of traps then I guess I'll do glutes. I started shooting .7mL of test with .8mL B12 just because I was doing B12 a week or so before my cycle and I liked it so I figure I might as well inject it with my gear.

[gustavo77]

^ Yeah, I think that's what I'll do. 40mg was way too much.

Haha, I got the Herc stuff back in the SSB days but didn't have everything in check until now. Glad I waited.

I've actually had it so long it's expired by a month but I don't care, using it anyway. :D


SSB, wow, that's while back eh??..lol... I would not worry too much about the exp. date, i am sure it is good long after that...

Also, i like the doses you've chosen for your first cycle...very modest but very effective. Good luck with the rest of your cycle bro and i will be following your progress.

[Kronis]

Yup, it's official; the pumps are back. Best arm workout ever.

[gustavo77]

Yup, it's official; the pumps are back. Best arm workout ever.

I'd had the same experience with that SA d-bol...mg for mg the best UG d-bol i ever used, hands down...

[RagingRandy]

Physique sells pill splitters.

[metis boy]

Physique sells pill splitters.

i think he refering to capsules with the powder in them... not the press tab pills... i might be wrong though

[Kronis]

i think he refering to capsules with the powder in them... not the press tab pills... i might be wrong though

You're correct.

It's all good, I think I was just being paranoid because I have puffy nips from puberty. I won't start the nolva again unless I experience pain or feel a lump or something.

Did my first glute shot about an hour ago, easy as can be although I think I prefer pecs and delts.

Legs tonight after class. :hu

Today is day 22 for the record.

[Kronis]

Ho hum, another workout, another PR set. :D

Kept it fairly light low volume today because my eating was shit yesterday. Being "on" is weird. For instance, today I thought I'd get crushed by my warm up weight because I felt so tired but instead I did 12 reps of a weight that I could only get 6 with 5 days ago.

I'm not contributing my lethargy to the dbol or test though; I fell asleep on the couch last night before dinner and woke up ****ing baking in the sun so I was very low on calories and pretty dehydrated.

[Kronis]

So I was going to cut back on my workout routine a bit...I've been doing 2-a-days for a week or so now and my shoulder workout last night wasn't anything special.

But nope, did arms today and booyakasha, size and strength are still going up.

I think I just felt tired yesterday because I didn't get enough calories/water the day before and my leg and shoulder workouts were like 4 hours apart. I knew it was dumb when I decided to do it but I think I'm addicted to lifting now.

[Kronis]

Day 26

Pounds gained : 20.

Haha, this is awesome. I'm just gonna keep eating and lifting and see how much more I can gain.

[Kronis]

Just did my right side trap injection...won't be doing that body party anymore. I can honestly taste the injection for hours after and my neck hurts. This happened last time I did traps but it was my 3 inject ever so I figured it might have been random.

There's a tonne of other good injection spots so traps have officially been blacklisted.

Gonna try lats next.

[Kronis]

Day 29 - 4 weeks completed.

Weight increase: 20 lbs
Strength increase: Great

Sides update:

Hair - seems normal
Skin - good. I actually look better because there's always some healthy colour to me. I'm normally super pale from October-May. I noticed some upper back acne but I think it was just because I passed out in my gym clothes the other night...10 hours with that sweaty shirt on...nasty. Skin cleared up in about a day.
Nips- completely normal. Not itchy, no pain. I think it was all in my head the first week.
Nuts - look to be about the same size, maybe a little smaller...can't tell.
Bloat - I'm starting to notice a little bloat. Waist is up .5 of an inch and arms from the back have lost a bit of definition.

I think that's all for now. Time to eat.

[Kronis]

Ugh, so I tried to squat today and it sucked. My trap ****ing KILLED from the injection yesterday; couldn't keep focus because of the piercing pain of the bar across my trap.

No trap injections ever again.

[Kronis]

LOL, so after giving my nips the all clear something grazed my right nip and it stung so I guestimated half to a third of a nolva cap, i'll take the rest tomorrow night.

Better safe than sorry.

[St]

Ugh, so I tried to squat today and it sucked. My trap ****ing KILLED from the injection yesterday; couldn't keep focus because of the piercing pain of the bar across my trap.

No trap injections ever again.


Haha i just stay with Glute shots,no pain no gain were did i hear that.;)

[Kronis]

Put on one of my favourite short sleeve dress shirts last night to go to dinner and it looked like I bought it at baby gap. It was a fitted shirt before but now it's unwearable, and i wouldn't have it any other way :D

[Kronis]

Day 36 - 5 weeks completed

Weight increase: 25 lbs
Strength increase: Great

Sides update:
Hair - fine
Skin - fine, had some upper back/shoulder acne for a bit a couple days ago but it cleared up on its own.
Nips - little sore, starting taking 1/3rd of a nolva cap (estimated) a day and everythings good now.
Balls - about 2/3 original size.

Anyone know if you can get Bacteriostatic water locally (Ottawa). It's seem dumb to pay $15 shipping on a $5 item. In hindsight I should have ordered it with my protein order through Physique, but live and learn.

edit: NVM, just gonna use b12 with the hcg

[L3]

hey bro i was checking up on it for my use too and called 5 places they dont even know what Bacteriostatic water is...

im interested in finding out how long HCG mixed with B12 is good for in the fridge (unless u plan on taking big shots)

[Kronis]

From what I read it should last just as long as BS water.

I'm planning on doing 250 E3D for the last 60 days before PCT. Which, according to my pretty little exel sheet means I start it on friday.

[Kronis]

Just did my first shot of hcg.

Mixed it in with B12 so my shot was .7mL test (as always) and .5mL b12/hcg which is 210mg test/250iu hcg.

I think the test has kicked in but it's kind of hard to tell. I train about 8 times a week so I'm a little burned out; think I'll stop doing 2-a-days. It's kind of hard to tone it down though since I want to make the most of my 12 weeks, and I see gains every single workout.

[natenator]

hey bro i was checking up on it for my use too and called 5 places they dont even know what Bacteriostatic water is...

im interested in finding out how long HCG mixed with B12 is good for in the fridge (unless u plan on taking big shots)
Dejardins pharmacy in Ottawa has it.

[L3]

Dejardins pharmacy in Ottawa has it.

this is making me reconsider the way i voted in the "Does nate have a prick" poll :p

298 Dalhousie Street
613-241-1871

$2.30 for 30ml

[Kronis]

^ Nice. Oh well, it's already mixed with the b12 so not much I can do now. Maybe next time.

Thanks nate.

[Kronis]

Didn't think it would work this fast but I'm 99% sure it's the hcg that's caused this...

I feel awesome. I was kinda dragging ass before; my workouts were always great but I was like a zombie on the way.

I could ****, and had no problem getting wood, but if anything sex drive had maybe SLIGHTLY decreased. Now it's ridiculous, I feel like I'm 14 and just want to **** everything that with a vagina...it's actually hurt my productivity haha.

I didn't think I'd need hcg with just running low dose dbol and moderate test but I'll never go without it again.

[DFA_DFA]

Didn't think it would work this fast but I'm 99% sure it's the hcg that's caused this...

I feel awesome. I was kinda dragging ass before; my workouts were always great but I was like a zombie on the way.

I could ****, and had no problem getting wood, but if anything sex drive had maybe SLIGHTLY decreased. Now it's ridiculous, I feel like I'm 14 and just want to **** everything that with a vagina...it's actually hurt my productivity haha.

I didn't think I'd need hcg with just running low dose dbol and moderate test but I'll never go without it again.

LMAO!

[ironwill]

hcg is definitely a nice addition with a cycle, i use it a couple times in a cycle....it does the wood good..

[natenator]

hcg is definitely a nice addition with a cycle, i use it a couple times in a cycle....it does the wood good..
so does a blond with a big rack, a tiny waist and an ass to die for :D

[Big D]

so does a blond with a big rack, a tiny waist and an ass to die for :D

I totally agree but........

weres the pics ??????

[ironwill]

so does a blond with a big rack, a tiny waist and an ass to die for :D
ahem, im into the red scene now....lol...
i like life with my testicles intact...:lick

[Kronis]

Upper-back/shoulder acne is beginning to be a bitch; time to get back into 2 showers a day. No point getting buff if you can't show it off :D



And because of nates comment, here's a pic of Torrie Wilson :lick
http://www.gagreport.com/Funny_Pictures/torrie%20wilson%20album/images/torrie-wilson-8_jpg.jpg

[DFA_DFA]

tanning i find is the best for clear skin bro

[Kronis]

Acne's basically cleared up now. Head & Shoulders for the win.

Well, tomorrow is the 50th day of dbol and the end of my first bottle. It's a sad day and I am very reluctant to be discontinuing this wonderful compound. I have another bottle and I was trying to convince myself that another 50 days couldn't hurt, especially at 20mg/day.

It would have worked out perfectly and the last day would be 2 days before PCT starts. On paper it's so good.

Anybody want to play devils advocate and tell me it'll all be ok? :beat

For reference, I'm not yellow, my appetite is good, urine is almost clear, and I'm not drinking alcohol at all. :friday

[Kronis]

**** it, 100 days of dbol it is.

I just spent a couple hours on pubmed and while I could only find a few relevant studies it seems that moderate dose (10-25mg/day) seems to elevate liver values, specifically SGPT above normal values in the first few weeks then slowly it normalizes. The guys who had been on 20mg/day for 9 weeks had lower values than compared to week 3 & 6. Also, 1/3rd of participants did not experience elevated values.

Really the only downside I saw was lowered cholesterol which I assume means lowered HDL, which the test is going to do anyways. I'll just add in some cardio and up the olive oi consumption.

Hell, being on dbol keeps me from getting bombed on the weekends and I'd be willing to bet that 12 beers on a Saturday does way more damage than 1 dbol cap a day.

Oh, and I'm fully aware that I sound like I'm talking myself into it but I am sufficiently satisfied by the science involved.

Just for reference, how does one go and get their liver values tested without informing the doc that they're "on"? I want to do it a) to make sure I'm ok, and b) have hard data I can contribute.

[DFA_DFA]

**** it, 100 days of dbol it is.

I just spent a couple hours on pubmed and while I could only find a few relevant studies it seems that moderate dose (10-25mg/day) seems to elevate liver values, specifically SGPT above normal values in the first few weeks then slowly it normalizes. The guys who had been on 20mg/day for 9 weeks had lower values than compared to week 3 & 6. Also, 1/3rd of participants did not experience elevated values.

Really the only downside I saw was lowered cholesterol which I assume means lowered HDL, which the test is going to do anyways. I'll just add in some cardio and up the olive oi consumption.

Hell, being on dbol keeps me from getting bombed on the weekends and I'd be willing to bet that 12 beers on a Saturday does way more damage than 1 dbol cap a day.

Oh, and I'm fully aware that I sound like I'm talking myself into it but I am sufficiently satisfied by the science involved.

Just for reference, how does one go and get their liver values tested without informing the doc that they're "on"? I want to do it a) to make sure I'm ok, and b) have hard data I can contribute.



I loved my 25 days of Dbol!.. I bloated really bad tho if I did it again it would be longer and at 20mg aday rather then the 40mg I did.

[Kronis]

I loved my 25 days of Dbol!.. I bloated really bad tho if I did it again it would be longer and at 20mg aday rather then the 40mg I did.

Haha we should coordinate our next cycles too. I think we're both planning on doing test/deca/dbol? I'm thinking 500/300/20. Test for 12, deca for 10, dbol depending on how my liver values come out after this cycle.

[Kronis]

lol, so my second bottle of dbol has so many different colour capsules I think I'm taking skittles.

Wonderful, muscle building skittles.

[DFA_DFA]

Haha we should coordinate our next cycles too. I think we're both planning on doing test/deca/dbol? I'm thinking 500/300/20. Test for 12, deca for 10, dbol depending on how my liver values come out after this cycle.

exact same as me bro wanna run it next fall as a heavy bulker!

[Kronis]

exact same as me bro wanna run it next fall as a heavy bulker!

For sure dude, I"m hoping to join the Air Force soon after I graduate university this month so I'll be looking to bulk back up after basic. :bch

[DFA_DFA]

actually I remembered I got a bottle of M1T in my closet for the past year haha ill proly use that rather then Dbol for my fall cycle!

[Kronis]

So my acne is starting to become a bit of a bitch and I've deduced that it's due to my nolva.

I had basically NO acne for the first few weeks, then I started taking 1/3rd of a cap of nolva ED to combat some nipple soreness, then decided to up it to 20mg (half cap), and i swear my acne is dose dependant.

I was going back over my log and whenever I start taking nolva acne appears within 2 days. So now, what the hell do I do?

edit: **** it, i'll just deal with the nips for the next few weeks and I'll get it cut out after the cycle. I've had puffy nips since puberty so I'll be covered by OHIP.

[Kronis]

Been kinda sick the last couple days so I've taken 2 days off. Going to do a light workout tonight to get the ol immune system cranking.

I'm stopping nolva today, the acne is too much of a pain in the ass, and the nips seem fine so I should be ok for the last 3 weeks.

Apparently my voice is a lot deeper. Guess that's a "side" although I had a fairly deep voice already.

[SmallieBigs]

how's your weight and weights goin' Kronis?

great log... enjoying following it very much...

[Kronis]

^^
The last week to 10 days have been pretty uneventful. I always forget to eat around exam time.

Weight is +25-30 depending on time of day, I have 3 weeks left, almost all of which will be on vacation so I'm gonn try for 35-40 lbs before PCT starts. I'm going to go back to 2-a-days as soon as I'm over this small cold. Body fat is also a little lower than it was. I have a blurry 4-6 pack depending on the time of day (creatine bloats me).

Lifts have gone up a crazy amount, although I had some serious form problems that I worked out just as I was starting the cycle.

Estimated 1RM Increase
Bench +55lbs
Squat + 95lbs
Rows + 80lbs
Shoulder Press + 60 lbs.
Curl + 30lbs

Honestly the ONLY downside to the whole cycle has been when I have to take nolva but I stopped taking it yesterday so hopefully in a couple days I'll be back to feeling like He-Man.

It became painfully obvious that a few of my friends/family strongly suspect I"m taking gear but nobody has questioned me about it so it's all good.

[Iwant2Grow]

^^
The last week to 10 days have been pretty uneventful. I always forget to eat around exam time.

Weight is +25-30 depending on time of day, I have 3 weeks left, almost all of which will be on vacation so I'm gonn try for 35-40 lbs before PCT starts. I'm going to go back to 2-a-days as soon as I'm over this small cold. Body fat is also a little lower than it was. I have a blurry 4-6 pack depending on the time of day (creatine bloats me).

Lifts have gone up a crazy amount, although I had some serious form problems that I worked out just as I was starting the cycle.

Estimated 1RM Increase
Bench +55lbs
Squat + 95lbs
Rows + 80lbs
Shoulder Press + 60 lbs.
Curl + 30lbs

Honestly the ONLY downside to the whole cycle has been when I have to take nolva but I stopped taking it yesterday so hopefully in a couple days I'll be back to feeling like He-Man.

It became painfully obvious that a few of my friends/family strongly suspect I"m taking gear but nobody has questioned me about it so it's all good.

nice improvements on all your lifts i bet the last three weeks will be awesome for you..

Wednesday will be my first shot in wk 4 for me hope i can get similar gains as you ..

btw i have been using adex on my cycle .5mg e0d and i have had no problems with acne *knock on wood* yet

i'm subscribed now so keep the updates coming good log !

[Kronis]

Been sick for about a week and have taken the last 3 days completely off from the gym

Still pretty tired today but I think I'm going to try and get a workout in.

I stopped the damn nolvadex about 3 days ago and my acne is 85% gone. What a terrible drug that is. I don't think I'm going to even touch it for PCT, just going to go with clomid. Just for reference, I'm also running hcg until the pct starts.

[Iwant2Grow]

Been sick for about a week and have taken the last 3 days completely off from the gym

Still pretty tired today but I think I'm going to try and get a workout in.

I stopped the damn nolvadex about 3 days ago and my acne is 85% gone. What a terrible drug that is. I don't think I'm going to even touch it for PCT, just going to go with clomid. Just for reference, I'm also running hcg until the pct starts.



good to know good to know

what week are you in now ?

[Kronis]

Just took what was supposed to be my last shot but there's at least one more in the bottle so the cycle's being extended by at least 3 days lol.

Weight peaked at about +30lbs gained but is down to +24 now after being sick as a dog for almost 3 weeks. I'm still not 100% so I've changed up my workout routine to a little less volume but I'm determined to finish at at least +25 after PCT.

I'll post updates once PCT starts.

[Kronis]

Final hcg shot. Time to start the clomid/nolva. Hope I don't become too emotional haha.

Changing workout regiment as well so I have more rest days.

[Drummer]

you will cry at life insurance commercials and while watching Seven Pounds. You will also have deeply emotional love making sessions with your woman because you will feel like her. You will also feel the urge to tell everyone about your day and how the bitch at work is jealous of your nice pecks. :D

~D~

[Kronis]

lmfao, Drummer!

How long until I should start to watch out for these womanly behaviours?

[Drummer]

lmfao, Drummer!

How long until I should start to watch out for these womanly behaviours?

i think its already happening ;)

j/k you'll know it when you get all foggy eyed while watching chick flicks with your bag of popcorn :D

~D~

[Kronis]

Week 1 of PCT is done.

I feel fantastic. Shoulder acne is finally clearing up. No Sex problems. Energy is high. Weight/strength is down but it looks like it's mostly just water that's gone.

Problem: I've developed gyno in my left nipple. I though I might have started to get some on cycle but now I can actually feel a noticeable lump, 2 actually, each about the circumference of a pen lid.. The right side is completely clear. Should I keep running the nolva in hope that it'll kill it off and htis is just some weird rebound effect?

[Drummer]

Lumps are gyno. You should up the nolva for a while, and have an AI to further assist until it is gone. Dont mess with gyno.

~D~

[Kronis]

I should probably mention I waited too long between my last shot and the pct which is probably why the gyno appeared. Mega estrogen rebound.

It was 3 weeks (21 days) between the final shot and the first nolva cap, should have been 2 but I was going by what it said on the bulkmuscle pct calculator and it got kinda ****ed up because I had a mL and a bit left in the vial. I don't think I would have had a gyno flare up if i'd started at 14 or even 18 days after my last full injection (final inject was only 90mg).

Live and learn, the lumps have softened and are smaller everyday so I'm confident the pct will kill them off.

Lesson learned: start your pct on time.

[Drummer]

keep an eye on them for sure. If they dont totally go away soon, up your doses.

~D~

[Kronis]

keep an eye on them for sure. If they dont totally go away soon, up your doses.

~D~

I'm already taking 40mg/day (caps) should I bump it up to 80mg? If so, do I take 80mg at once or split it up? It seems to be getting a little smaller but it's still there.

Also, I was going over my log today because I was thinking test was just my enemy and the acne from it is too bad but then I noticed that the acne really only started about 3-4 days after I started hcg and continued to get worse until hcg stopped. It's getting better but I'm still on clomid (which can cause acne itself) so the progress is slow.

I was worried about bumping up the nolva because I thought it might have been what was causing my acne but now I'm fairly sure it's either the hcg.