How do you take your HGH ?

[iluxa]

Hey Guys never ending debate on when and how to take HGH. What's your protocol looks like and why ? Many people do not recommend taking it before bed time as your body releases your own hgh. I am new to HGH just started taking it with my cycle and was wondering what is the most beneficial way to take it. One of the biggest questions I have is if I take it in the morning do I inject myself before I eat or after if after how long do I wait?

Also one of the methods recommends splitting the daily dosages into 2. If you plan on taking 5uis a day 2.5 iu in the morning shot and one right after workout. How long do I wait after injection to have my pwo shake?

Any input would be appreciated thx.

[Praetorian]

Hey Guys never ending debate on when and how to take HGH. What's your protocol looks like and why ? Many people do not recommend taking it before bed time as your body releases your own hgh. I am new to HGH just started taking it with my cycle and was wondering what is the most beneficial way to take it. One of the biggest questions I have is if I take it in the morning do I inject myself before I eat or after if after how long do I wait?

Also one of the methods recommends splitting the daily dosages into 2. If you plan on taking 5uis a day 2.5 iu in the morning shot and one right after workout. How long do I wait after injection to have my pwo shake?

Any input would be appreciated thx.

It all depends on your reasons and goals.

The best time to take GH is during the bodies naturally lowest secretion times and to mimick the natural pulsatile action of endogenous GH secretion.

Dieting 4-6iu total... take 2-3iiu in the morning with breakfast and then 2-3iu again at 4-5pm or so.

Mass gaining 8-10 iu total...take 2iu spread as even as possible thru the day...start with the first 2iu with breakfast...then spread out the next three 2iu doses evenly.

PCT 2iu in the morning with breakfast.

P

[St]

I'm at 3-4ui every morning 7 days straight,only once per day since it all about $ for me,would take more but like i said its about $.I have a house,kid,car so i have to draw the line on how much i can spend.

[canadianmuscle0803]

8iu in one shot first thing in the morning.

[theboss]

8iu in one shot first thing in the morning.

howz that working out?
how long have you been on ? and what else are you taking?
results?

sorry to hijack

[canadianmuscle0803]

howz that working out?
how long have you been on ? and what else are you taking?
results?

sorry to hijack

im having amazing results, my whole body has transformed, i have been on GH for about a year now, with 1 month off, i did not do it properly my first 6 months though, i did way too low of a dose as I was a newbie and i only got fat loss out of the whole deal which i could of obtained without the GH..

right now im also on..

1,200mg test e/week
600mg tren e/week
10iu humalog PWO

no anti-e, im going for size.. i got sick not too long ago and went down to 230lbs (im 5 foot 11inches tall) this last sunday was my first day back and today im up to 248lbs with the same bodyfat level just holding a bit more water.. overall this stack is incredible..

might as well give you my diet plan as well..

1- 8 egg whites, 1 yolk, whole wheat bagel, 1 cup oats
2- 50grams caseine protein and 1 cup oats
3- 2/8 ounce haddock, 1 cup rice, 1 cup broccoli
4- PWO, 100 grams dextrose, 50 grams whey protein
5- 8 ounce chicken breast in a whole wheat pita with tomatoes/mustard
6- same as 3
7- before bed, 50 grams caseine in water.

repeat.

[#8]

im having amazing results, my whole body has transformed, i have been on GH for about a year now, with 1 month off, i did not do it properly my first 6 months though, i did way too low of a dose as I was a newbie and i only got fat loss out of the whole deal which i could of obtained without the GH..

right now im also on..

1,200mg test e/week
600mg tren e/week
10iu humalog PWO

no anti-e, im going for size.. i got sick not too long ago and went down to 230lbs (im 5 foot 11inches tall) this last sunday was my first day back and today im up to 248lbs with the same bodyfat level just holding a bit more water.. overall this stack is incredible..

might as well give you my diet plan as well..

1- 8 egg whites, 1 yolk, whole wheat bagel, 1 cup oats
2- 50grams caseine protein and 1 cup oats
3- 2/8 ounce haddock, 1 cup rice, 1 cup broccoli
4- PWO, 100 grams dextrose, 50 grams whey protein
5- 8 ounce chicken breast in a whole wheat pita with tomatoes/mustard
6- same as 3
7- before bed, 50 grams caseine in water.

repeat.

what was your dosage for your first 6 months? did you run a cycle with it?

[Solo59]

8iu in one shot first thing in the morning.

I do my 5iu in one shot at bedtime. I realize the exogenous HGH is probably replacing my body's own production of GH, but since I am well over 45 there's hardly any natural production left. The body is used to the natural release of GH as one falls into their first sleep, so I am replacing that GH with injected GH for maximum benefits and a great night's sleep. (Previously, I injected when I got up to piss at about 4 a.m., so my natural GH still had time to release.)

For long term use, I see no benefit in splitting shots over the day when one will do just fine. Furthermore, GH is a daily thing and going 5/2 is for no other reason than cost cutting, which will also mean the GH takes longer to kick in and will have a slightly lesser effect overall.

If you're under 40 and doing GH, protocols may be different but, unless you are competing, there's no reason to be doing GH under 40.

IMHO!

Solo

[canadianmuscle0803]

what was your dosage for your first 6 months? did you run a cycle with it?

2iu every morning, it worked to shed some fat but nothing else was noticed, then upped to 3.3iu every morning, seen a bit of a difference but nothing special, i ran test and deca with this.

[Houstonbc]

bang 5iu first thing in the am

[Praetorian]

8iu in one shot first thing in the morning.

Split the dose up thru the day youll see better results.
P

[Praetorian]

im having amazing results, my whole body has transformed, i have been on GH for about a year now, with 1 month off, i did not do it properly my first 6 months though, i did way too low of a dose as I was a newbie and i only got fat loss out of the whole deal which i could of obtained without the GH..

right now im also on..

1,200mg test e/week
600mg tren e/week
10iu humalog PWO

no anti-e, im going for size.. i got sick not too long ago and went down to 230lbs (im 5 foot 11inches tall) this last sunday was my first day back and today im up to 248lbs with the same bodyfat level just holding a bit more water.. overall this stack is incredible..

might as well give you my diet plan as well..

1- 8 egg whites, 1 yolk, whole wheat bagel, 1 cup oats
2- 50grams caseine protein and 1 cup oats
3- 2/8 ounce haddock, 1 cup rice, 1 cup broccoli
4- PWO, 100 grams dextrose, 50 grams whey protein
5- 8 ounce chicken breast in a whole wheat pita with tomatoes/mustard
6- same as 3
7- before bed, 50 grams caseine in water.

repeat.
Just a few suggestions...besides splitting the gh dose thru the day.
I would add in more whole eggs first meal...you only have approx 30g from direct protein sources. Meal 6 I would change to whole food...you dont need another 100g dextrose thata a bit excessive and will put on fat easily.
P

[Praetorian]

im having amazing results, my whole body has transformed, i have been on GH for about a year now, with 1 month off, i did not do it properly my first 6 months though, i did way too low of a dose as I was a newbie and i only got fat loss out of the whole deal which i could of obtained without the GH..

right now im also on..

1,200mg test e/week
600mg tren e/week
10iu humalog PWO

no anti-e, im going for size.. i got sick not too long ago and went down to 230lbs (im 5 foot 11inches tall) this last sunday was my first day back and today im up to 248lbs with the same bodyfat level just holding a bit more water.. overall this stack is incredible..

might as well give you my diet plan as well..

1- 8 egg whites, 1 yolk, whole wheat bagel, 1 cup oats
2- 50grams caseine protein and 1 cup oats
3- 2/8 ounce haddock, 1 cup rice, 1 cup broccoli
4- PWO, 100 grams dextrose, 50 grams whey protein
5- 8 ounce chicken breast in a whole wheat pita with tomatoes/mustard
6- same as 3
7- before bed, 50 grams caseine in water.

repeat.
Just a few suggestions...besides splitting the gh dose thru the day.
I would add in more whole eggs first meal...you only have approx 30g from direct protein sources. Meal 6 I would change to whole food...you dont need another 100g dextrose thata a bit excessive and will put on fat easily.
You can also use the humlag more frequently as with the gh.
P

[shithead]

This was an email that I was fortunate to receive from an internationally known sports MD who has written articles in many medicine journals as well as many national publications.

I had asked him three questions. One on dosage, one on timing and the last one on sub-q vs im.

> > > > > > > > 1. Is 4 iu too much per day he is stacking T3 and> Insulin with it no testosterone:
> > > > > > > > You need to take a min. of 6 IU (and the more, thebetter), but keep in mind that you must select theappropriate dimer. That's the tough part. Use thewrong (and usually cheaper) stuff, and you canencourage cancer growth instead of muscle growth. >
> > > > > > > > 2. what is the best time most say AM when it is naturally lower. Is it better to administer it PM when it is highest naturally?
> > > > > > > > I've heard it so many ways from different docs, i.e.take it first thing in the morning, take it beforebed, doesn't matter when you take it, take the entiredose at one time, etc. Personally, I think it's best to spread the dose throughout the day. Most males will experience 3.5 spikes of GH throughout the daynaturally so you want to mimic that. >
> > > > > > > > 3. what is the difference effects of intramuscular> and subcutanious, pros and cons If you are going to spread the dose,
> > > > > > > > do intramuscularpost-workout for the working muscle(s). The othertimes use subcut. injections. The verdict is out about intram. effects, but I (asothers) believe it's ergogenic

[Solo59]

This was an email that I was fortunate to receive from an internationally known sports MD who has written articles in many medicine journals as well as many national publications.

I had asked him three questions. One on dosage, one on timing and the last one on sub-q vs im.

> > > > > > > > 1. Is 4 iu too much per day he is stacking T3 and> Insulin with it no testosterone:
> > > > > > > > You need to take a min. of 6 IU (and the more, thebetter), but keep in mind that you must select theappropriate dimer. That's the tough part. Use thewrong (and usually cheaper) stuff, and you canencourage cancer growth instead of muscle growth. >
> > > > > > > > 2. what is the best time most say AM when it is naturally lower. Is it better to administer it PM when it is highest naturally?
> > > > > > > > I've heard it so many ways from different docs, i.e.take it first thing in the morning, take it beforebed, doesn't matter when you take it, take the entiredose at one time, etc. Personally, I think it's best to spread the dose throughout the day. Most males will experience 3.5 spikes of GH throughout the daynaturally so you want to mimic that. >
> > > > > > > > 3. what is the difference effects of intramuscular> and subcutanious, pros and cons If you are going to spread the dose,
> > > > > > > > do intramuscularpost-workout for the working muscle(s). The othertimes use subcut. injections. The verdict is out about intram. effects, but I (asothers) believe it's ergogenic
Dare I say that I disagree on almost everything this internationally known sports MD has to say? How much comparative experimental data does he use to come to these conclusions? The part about cheaper GH encouraging cancerous growth while the more expensive encourages muscle growth just steams like cow paddies.

Solo

[shithead]

Dare I say that I disagree on almost everything this internationally known sports MD has to say? How much comparative experimental data does he use to come to these conclusions? The part about cheaper GH encouraging cancerous growth while the more expensive encourages muscle growth just steams like cow paddies.

Solo

You may well have a point, and I will ask him this question.

My question is; what evidence do you have to the contrary?

The cheaper gh usually has an extra aa.

Do you personally know what that extra aa does within the body?

It seems fairly ignorant to call out a doctor, unless you are one yourself, which maybe you are.

[shithead]

Personally I would take his word over yours, mine and even Ps. Although I do respect what P has to say on almost any front.

[canadianmuscle0803]

Split the dose up thru the day youll see better results.
P

I dont really see how this would be more beneficial, do you care to elaborate?

[canadianmuscle0803]

Just a few suggestions...besides splitting the gh dose thru the day.
I would add in more whole eggs first meal...you only have approx 30g from direct protein sources. Meal 6 I would change to whole food...you dont need another 100g dextrose thata a bit excessive and will put on fat easily.
P

meal 6 is whole food, you read my post wrong bro. about the whole eggs, im trying to limit them because my cholesterol is not exactly that good.

[gustavo77]

meal 6 is whole food, you read my post wrong bro. about the whole eggs, im trying to limit them because my cholesterol is not exactly that good.

I would worry much more about the test and tren dosages effecting your cholesterol than a couple of egg yolks. Seriously bro, i seen your last cholesterol values that you posted. If i were you, i would be dropping the tren entirely and dropping the test dosage down...not entirely off test but definitely a much lower dose. No orals either...they kick the shit out your HDL..

You are VERY young to have cholesterol readings like that...take care of yourself, you do not want a heart attack by the time you are 35-40 do you??

[canadianmuscle0803]

I would worry much more about the test and tren dosages effecting your cholesterol than a couple of egg yolks. Seriously bro, i seen your last cholesterol values that you posted. If i were you, i would be dropping the tren entirely and dropping the test dosage down...not entirely off test but definitely a much lower dose. No orals either...they kick the shit out your HDL..

You are VERY young to have cholesterol readings like that...take care of yourself, you do not want a heart attack by the time you are 35-40 do you??

i hear you, but i cant go off just yet, i will soon though.

[Praetorian]

Dare I say that I disagree on almost everything this internationally known sports MD has to say? How much comparative experimental data does he use to come to these conclusions? The part about cheaper GH encouraging cancerous growth while the more expensive encourages muscle growth just steams like cow paddies.

Solo

I completely agree...nothing but BULLCRAP! GH doesnt cause cancer growth unless you have existing tumours...it actually strengthens the immune system and would protect against it. Cheaper GH causing cancer and more expensive equls muscle growth....give your head a shake. Not to mention site inject IM after training what garbage...GH becomes systemic very quickly...does this guy even have a degree.
P

[Praetorian]

I dont really see how this would be more beneficial, do you care to elaborate?

Its actually common knowlwdge in the sport at high levels. The body secretes GH in a pulsatile manner thru the day...mimicking that action will yield the best results. As well the liver can only handle a specific amount of GH for IGF-1 production...taking too much is a waste.
P

[Praetorian]

meal 6 is whole food, you read my post wrong bro. about the whole eggs, im trying to limit them because my cholesterol is not exactly that good.

Ahh yes my apologies...i was looking at meal 4 by mistake. Are you taking tamoxifen...try 10-20 mg daily it should correct your HDL levels. I run tren, test, orals ect and my blood lipid profiles are perfect...thanks to tamox. Also avoid arimidex it will kill HDL levels like the plague.
P

[canadianmuscle0803]

Ahh yes my apologies...i was looking at meal 4 by mistake. Are you taking tamoxifen...try 10-20 mg daily it should correct your HDL levels. I run tren, test, orals ect and my blood lipid profiles are perfect...thanks to tamox. Also avoid arimidex it will kill HDL levels like the plague.
P

wont taking nolvadex during my cycle destroy some of my gains? im not expert thats why im asking?

[Praetorian]

wont taking nolvadex during my cycle destroy some of my gains? im not expert thats why im asking?

At 10mg daily no...possibly a tiny amount at 20mg but nothing signficant no.
P

[canadianmuscle0803]

I only have 40mg caps, i cant split them up.. can i take 40mg every other day or 3 days?

[#8]

wont taking nolvadex during my cycle destroy some of my gains? im not expert thats why im asking?

i started a thread about this and the consencus was that SERMS have zero negative effect on your cycle gains, they only limit water retention which could be construed as less muscle gain....

[canadianmuscle0803]

i started a thread about this and the consencus was that SERMS have zero negative effect on your cycle gains, they only limit water retention which could be construed as less muscle gain....

interesting, i did not see your thread, where is it?

[dku]

I've read not to take nolvadex with tren or deca.

[Praetorian]

i started a thread about this and the consencus was that SERMS have zero negative effect on your cycle gains, they only limit water retention which could be construed as less muscle gain....

Consensus on an internet board is hardly factual evidence. Small to moderate doses of tamoxifen shouldnt limit gains while on cycle. But running an AI such
as aromasin, arimidex, or femara will significantly slow gains due to the fact that they prevent the conversion of test to estrogen in the first place...tamoxifen as a SERM does not. The key being distinguishing between a SERM and an AI and when to use either.
P

[Kiem]

I thought I read somewhere that nolvadex can inhibit the release of IGF-1 therefore potentially lessening gains. Especially if one is taking GH, since IGF is the main mechanism for growth. I agree 10mg of nolvadex won't do much, but maybe avoiding it altogether when Gh is added should be considered since GH is so godamn expensive.

Dave Polumbo= "Your cycle length was fine. Try adding 1/2mg Arimidex (1/2 pill) every other day to your regimen; that will inhibit any aromatization of the AS to estrogen. Forget the Nolvadex. It’s a terrible drug for men to take; it has been documented in the literature that tamoxifen (Nolvadex) inhibits IGF-1 release from the liver - not a great way to put on size! Try mixing 500-750mg test per week with a mild anabolic (say, 400 mg Deca per week) and stay on them for 8 weeks at which time you can switch to another type of test and another mild anabolic. After on these for 8 weeks, consider coming off for a 6-8 week "rest".

http://www.mesomorphosis.com/articles/palumbo/premixed-growth-hormone.htm

[canadianmuscle0803]

off topic- but would it be good to take 5iu of humalog along with my GH shot? after reading this i will be doing my shots 2 times a day instead of all in 1.. upon waking and mid afternoon around 3pm..

[Solo59]

Its actually common knowlwdge in the sport at high levels. The body secretes GH in a pulsatile manner thru the day...mimicking that action will yield the best results. As well the liver can only handle a specific amount of GH for IGF-1 production...taking too much is a waste.

Sounds pretty subjective to me, Praetorian, like other rituals the pros develop and all adhere to. Over the long term, a wavelength with many little hills & gullys is no better than a wavelength with 1/3 as many fluctuations but with 3x the fluctuation between the hill and the gully. If you're on HGH for a long while, the body regulates itself to accommodate the daily inject, so you gain nothing but mental satisfaction by bothering yourself with a needles 3x a day. One inject a day will cause just as much leanness, healing, and hyperplasia as three.

I hope you are not hostile to a non-competitive but very experienced iron lifter with plenty of experience & research in various sorts of gear.

Solo

[ironwill]

Sounds pretty subjective to me, Praetorian, like other rituals the pros develop and all adhere to. Over the long term, a wavelength with many little hills & gullys is no better than a wavelength with 1/3 as many fluctuations but with 3x the fluctuation between the hill and the gully. If you're on HGH for a long while, the body regulates itself to accommodate the daily inject, so you gain nothing but mental satisfaction by bothering yourself with a needles 3x a day. One inject a day will cause just as much leanness, healing, and hyperplasia as three.

I hope you are not hostile to a non-competitive but very experienced iron lifter with plenty of experience & research in various sorts of gear.

Solo
I agree with you solo...I also will say at 2-3 ius i definitely get more growth, fullness and leaning out very quickly as opposed to not having any gh, i also can gain quitea bit more while adding this amnt of gh into my bulking time as well, i look totally different...I tried doing 3 ius 2 times a day and didnt like the feelings i had, back to 2-3 and did great again...Maybe i would be a freak if i took 6-10 ius a day, but i doubt it....Dave pulcinella(he is in his mid forties) a very seasoned vet also states to not need more than 2-3 ius /day and says many guys use that amnt....Maybe when i get into the masters age ill need to up it a tad, but i love what it does at these average doses..coupled with a couple of ius slin first thing in am, growing while contest prepping and getting way leaner, nice pumps throughout the day from simple things like washing my hair and brushing my teeth..

Gotta go, off to mehico....See ya all in a week and a bit...woooot