Thoughts on RCMP Taser Incident

[O-Train]

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/british-columbia/story/2009/02/23/bc-taser-inquiry-dzeikanski-rundel.html

I know this is old news but I find it amazing that some dipshit cop can get off scott free after killing someone. WTF is wrong with the justice system and how shitty is RCMP training?! You would think 4 cops could grab a guy and handcuff him until they found someone who spoke Polish. Tasered him 5 times, the guy should be in jail for a long time.

Stuff like this pisses me off. What if the new immigrant had grabbed the taser and killed one of the cops? Life in prison, no parole. Why are cops so ****ing important. Maybe should have put this in the rant section lol.

[champcar99]

One more reason for me too ****ING HATE cops with a passion...even after tasing the guy and he was out the cops never tried to revive him or seek help for the guy basically they let him die without even giving a ****...
I tell you if I was too see a cop in a sitsuation and he needed my help to survive I will watch him ****ing die with a smile on my face I will have no remorse WHAT SO EVER... die cop die

[ironwill]

its the world in which we inhabit....unfortunately, or fortunately, depends on your views...
At the end of the day, if you **** with the bull, you will get the horn,
they have the biggest gang out there, plain and simple...

[champcar99]

" if you **** with the bull, you will get the horn,"

I don't see too many pigs getting the " horn" bro...they need the horn in so many ways...

[pinhead]

All those cops should loose their jobs. 4 big cops had to taser a lone and confused man THAT WAS UNARMED. They seriously need to stop using the taser so liberally. Soon you'll be stopped for a traffic violation and tasered before you pull out your license. Just in case. I'm pretty sick of the way law enforcement treats people. They keep forget they are public servants and nothing else.

Time to start taking power away from these over the top people.

[O-Train]

I agree, they are very similar to a gang. I don't hate cops I just wish they didn't get so much preferential treatment. They have a difficult job but they should be held responsible for their actions. If anything they should be punished more harshly than other people. I also think they need better training. My military training was much more intensive. These guys carry weapons on a daily basis, shit like this wouldn't fly in the Canadian Forces.

[pinhead]

BTW, this story is consistently in the news in Poland. They want the cops to be reprimanded. I guess this will cause some of the rest of the world to view us in a bad way. We could use a lot more polish immigrants here. They are good people. This will scare them away I guess :(

[Shortdave]

I would wager that the man had a heart problem, a taser should never kill a healthy person who isn't on drugs. I don't think the guy should have been tasered, but I know that if a cop was pointing taser at me I would probably shut up and settle down.

[O-Train]

I would wager that the man had a heart problem, a taser should never kill a healthy person who isn't on drugs. I don't think the guy should have been tasered, but I know that if a cop was pointing taser at me I would probably shut up and settle down.

Yeah, but I think the guy was walking away when he initially got tasered.

"He said Dziekanski then turned around, lifted his hands in the air and started to walk away.

Referring frequently to his training, Rundel testified that the Taser is a legitimate response to someone who's resistant. But inquiry lawyer Patrick McGowan had trouble understanding how Dziekanski had been resistant."

So basically he shot him in the back with a taser and activated it 5 times is my understanding. Plus they have video of the guy with his hands down. So now the cop not only f-ed up but he's lieing about it.

[macka]

He apparently had a stapler, and yes you can resist by turning your back, and attempt to walk away. I don't think that Dziekanski deserved to be tased, until he picked up a stapler. People forget everyday items can be used to harm people. IMO they couldn't use pepper spray inside the airport because that would be riskier then the taser for the general public. Dziekanski was being unruly and uncooperative, and dollars to donuts that if they used their asp batons they'd still be in trouble.
Did they over tase him? Maybe. Did they know he would die? No. Should they be disciplined? We have to go by the police act, and determine what is acceptable behaviour. We aren't lawyers, and we aren't cops, but the police act is supposed to hold them to higher standards for their conduct. It doesn't seem right to us as "civilians", but we are the same people who are pissed when a real criminal skates on a rape charge due to a technicality.
As shitty as this seems, we have system in place, and this is called due process of the law, and we have to give the cops involved the same rights as criminals to be fair.

[ironwill]

He apparently had a stapler, and yes you can resist by turning your back, and attempt to walk away. I don't think that Dziekanski deserved to be tased, until he picked up a stapler. People forget everyday items can be used to harm people. IMO they couldn't use pepper spray inside the airport because that would be riskier then the taser for the general public. Dziekanski was being unruly and uncooperative, and dollars to donuts that if they used their asp batons they'd still be in trouble.
Did they over tase him? Maybe. Did they know he would die? No. Should they be disciplined? We have to go by the police act, and determine what is acceptable behaviour. We aren't lawyers, and we aren't cops, but the police act is supposed to hold them to higher standards for their conduct. It doesn't seem right to us as "civilians", but we are the same people who are pissed when a real criminal skates on a rape charge due to a technicality.
As shitty as this seems, we have system in place, and this is called due process of the law, and we have to give the cops involved the same rights as criminals to be fair.
awesome post my man...

[O-Train]

Watch the video and judge for yourself. The video is the only reason this even became as big a story as it did. Cops have killed something like 20 people with tasers just in Canada. They need better training. I'm not sure what they expect will happen when they give people weapons, unlimited power and inadaquete training. Then when they **** up it's ok, cause they were trained to **** up? All I know is the guy was at the airport for several hours and by all accounts acted cooperatively with no problems. Then the cops show up and he's dead. Look at the video, they don't even try giving him CPR. There are defibs at airports arn't there? The whole thing just smells bad.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IPe_hf7aBXM

[jsv22]

I agree, they are very similar to a gang. I don't hate cops I just wish they didn't get so much preferential treatment.

I agree with this 100%. It really pisses me off how even their families are treated better then everyone else too..

[champcar99]

I don't think you guys are too aware of the Vancouver Police....they are brutal....Corrupt...it's common knowledge out here..just a little while ago a few poilce officers one being a vancouver cop assulted and robbed a east indian man who was older ...cops telling him they didnt like his kind, didn't want them here...One of my girlfriends manages a bar downtown you should hear some of her stories of what she has seen the cops do to patrons...

[waderow]

i get a kick out of you guys. Like holy ****. You're all crying that the cops should have beat the dude down like an animal instead of tazering. give your head a ****ing shake and quit being so emotional. The dude was acting crazy, he got tazed, and unfortunately, was the .01% who die from it....more like .0001%....shit maybe .000001%

[champcar99]

i get a kick out of you guys. Like holy ****. You're all crying that the cops should have beat the dude down like an animal instead of tazering. give your head a ****ing shake and quit being so emotional. The dude was acting crazy, he got tazed, and unfortunately, was the .01% who die from it....more like .0001%....shit maybe .000001%

you ****ing kidding me...because the chances of someone getting killed by the hands of a cop with a tazor who zapped the guy not once but 5 ****ing times is no big deal because it's .0001 percent chance of death...well chances go WAY the **** up if you get tazered five ****ing times in a row smart guy....WE ARE NOT ****ING ANIAMALS AND SHOULD NEVER BE TREATED AS SUCH...it's not just the tazering thats in question it's also the police lack of reviving the guy...they didnt do **** all to help him out..facedown handcuffed was how he was left to die..

[Shortdave]

WE ARE NOT ****ING ANIAMALS AND SHOULD NEVER BE TREATED AS SUCH....

Yeah, for the most part animals are much better behaved than humans.

[BAM]

4 cops vs 1 guy and they were scared so they tazered him 5 times.

They should be fired as cops because of their cowardice.

[ironwill]

Yeah, for the most part animals are much better behaved than humans.
you are a wise man IMO....very true,
you ask for it, you will get it...How do you think the police feel these days...Shit in Calgary alone, gangs are out of control, drive bys every week now, i feel ashamed to be part of what society is fast becoming...I think they have a tough friggin job, and as in anything there is good and bad, the bad gets very publicized in regards to trying to do their job and probably afraid a lot of the time, with good reason...People are becoming desnsitized and are way more violent than recent generations..
Again i say, **** around with the police and you deserver what they get...Act like a normal human and you will be fine.....Ive been an ass in the past, and i deserved everything i ever got, fines court dates , suspensions, drunk tank etc...I absolutely know i deserved all of it, and i got away with more than i got caught for, so im still up..lol..

[Rhinobolt10]

k, that dude was going apeshit and he wasn't going to calm down. They tasered him, then jumped him and cuffed him.

He was in an airport doing this... I'm surprised they didn't shoot him, some guys acting nuts at an airport and I'm going to be worried he's got a bomb or something.

Dude, kept fighting so they kept tasering... the cops have mothers and fathers, wifes and kids... they deserve to go home to them, and not get stabbed cause they didn't know he had a knife or something.

I don't like cops... but I don't see anything wrong with what they did...

I also think what happened is horrible, and a complete accident. This is all just my opinion and I don't want to piss anyone off.

[BAM]

I'd love to tazer a cop 5 times in a row to see what effect it has on him. You see them doing demonstrations about how safe they are but the only give eachother 1 jolt. Let me tazer him 5 times in a row full charge, with a new tazer right out of the package that hasnt been manipulated.

Better yet, lets tazer 100 of them and give them all some cocaine beforehand and lets see how many of them go into cardiac arrest for statistics purposes.

That would be a better judge of how safe and humane they are.

[randysavage]

I'd love to tazer a cop 5 times in a row to see what effect it has on him. You see them doing demonstrations about how safe they are but the only give eachother 1 jolt. Let me tazer him 5 times in a row full charge, with a new tazer right out of the package that hasnt been manipulated.

Better yet, lets tazer 100 of them and give them all some cocaine beforehand and lets see how many of them go into cardiac arrest for statistics purposes.

That would be a better judge of how safe and humane they are.

You don't have to give them cocaine. Cops usually have the best coke.

[randysavage]

i get a kick out of you guys. Like holy ****. You're all crying that the cops should have beat the dude down like an animal instead of tazering. give your head a ****ing shake and quit being so emotional. The dude was acting crazy, he got tazed, and unfortunately, was the .01% who die from it....more like .0001%....shit maybe .000001%

Not 'beat him down like an animal". Subdue him. The problem is cops are getting smaller, stupider and less trained in Martial Arts.

I train with Tom Sharkey who is head of the Swat (he retired recently) in Toronto and he said that's what's causing these incidents- the cops are no longer training to physical subdue people and they panic and use weapons. The incident of weapon use from cops sky rocketed they also get their weapon taken from them. Simple reason- Back in the day Tom said 90% of all cops coming in were already "bruisers" i.e wrestlers, judo guys etc. and knew and could subdue guys.

Nowadays he say 5 foot nothing, juiced up cops are pretty much useless in unarmed combat. Truth hurts but...

And when I see a cop come into our place to train they take what? Karate and kung fu. They are totally clueless about grappling and opponent in close range combat and they "shape " they are in is ridiculous.

[O-Train]

I'd bet money that tasers arn't half as safe as they claim to be. I read another article and basically the cops just go on the research done by the manufacturers. So if I was a company selling tasers I probably would want them to seem effective but not lethal. Tasers kill a lot of people and not all of them are on drugs or have heart conditions.

I don't think the cops are totally to blame. Obviously the situation escalated over several hours. How are new immigrants that can't speak english normally processed? They knew the guy was coming right? Why wasn't there someone at the airport who could translate. Why didn't they let one of the guys relatives come in to where he was and help things along. If I were stuck in an airport for hours on end with people who I couldn't understand I wouldn't react like the guy did but I would probably get pretty pissed off. I think the whole thing could have been easily avoided. I'm suprised the RCMP officers weren't criminally charged if only because this has become an international incident.

[randysavage]

I'd bet money that tasers arn't half as safe as they claim to be. I read another article and basically the cops just go on the research done by the manufacturers. So if I was a company selling tasers I probably would want them to seem effective but not lethal. Tasers kill a lot of people and not all of them are on drugs or have heart conditions.

I don't think the cops are totally to blame. Obviously the situation escalated over several hours. How are new immigrants that can't speak english normally processed? They knew the guy was coming right? Why wasn't there someone at the airport who could translate. Why didn't they let one of the guys relatives come in to where he was and help things along. If I were stuck in an airport for hours on end with people who I couldn't understand I wouldn't react like the guy did but I would probably get pretty pissed off. I think the whole thing could have been easily avoided. I'm suprised the RCMP officers weren't criminally charged if only because this has become an international incident.


His mother was there. They were in the wrong terminals. She was there during the whole incident just in another part of the airport.

I think the real problem is serving alcohol on the plane. People don't realize at that altitude you get messed up pretty quick. The report states he was drinking on the flight and it does something to your brain. That's the reason people freak out and die once they land. It happened to a lady in the States at the same time this Polish guy died in Canada. Don't drink on a plane and don't take anti-anxieties and drink on a plane= recipe for disaster,

[O-Train]

His mother was there. They were in the wrong terminals. She was there during the whole incident just in another part of the airport.

I think the real problem is serving alcohol on the plane. People don't realize at that altitude you get messed up pretty quick. The report states he was drinking on the flight and it does something to your brain. That's the reason people freak out and die once they land. It happened to a lady in the States at the same time this Polish guy died in Canada. Don't drink on a plane and don't take anti-anxieties and drink on a plane= recipe for disaster,

Interesting. I thought the toxicology report indicated he was sober. Although he might have been drunk coming off the plane and sobered up while at the airport all day. Probably why he fell asleep in the airport for 5hrs. Makes sense given my experience with Polish people. Sounds like a series of unfortunate events.

[trykillthis]

Police did what they should have IMO.

Quit ****ing with the police people. You think this would have even made the news in the US. Nope.

If I was in Poland and didn't speak a word of polish do you think going bobo zigzag at the first person in an uniform with a gun on their hip is a good idea. Nope.

I don't wanna get tasered or shot. So I won't wave any sort weapon or replica firearm at the police. Common sense, no?

Everyone wants to bitch about the police but we all know who the first person you will call when there is someone in your front yard waving a weapon around.

They have a tough job and get no respect for it cause just about every soccer mom has gotten at least one speeding ticket they felt they didn't deserve.

Bottom line, quit ****ing with the police.

[turboturist]

I guess they should take the tasers away from the police so they go back to shooting people in the chest with a gun, because that is safer.

[O-Train]

I guess they should take the tasers away from the police so they go back to shooting people in the chest with a gun, because that is safer.

No, they should train them how and when to use them properly. The reason they pulled a taser and not a gun is because they figured it would control the guy and not kill him. Which is almost always true but I don't think they use enough discretion with their "less than lethal" weapons.

[turboturist]

The reason they pulled a taser and not a gun is because they figured it would control the guy and not kill him. Which is almost always true but I don't think they use enough discretion with their "less than lethal" weapons.

Then his death was an accident
they pulled a taser instead of a gun is because they figured it would control the guy and not kill him

Should they have more training, probably. Should they use the taser as often as they do, probly not. But its a hell of a lot better than a bunch of whacks on the head with big stick or a gun shot wound to the chest.

[randysavage]

Police did what they should have IMO.

Quit ****ing with the police people. You think this would have even made the news in the US. Nope.

If I was in Poland and didn't speak a word of polish do you think going bobo zigzag at the first person in an uniform with a gun on their hip is a good idea. Nope.

I don't wanna get tasered or shot. So I won't wave any sort weapon or replica firearm at the police. Common sense, no?

Everyone wants to bitch about the police but we all know who the first person you will call when there is someone in your front yard waving a weapon around.

They have a tough job and get no respect for it cause just about every soccer mom has gotten at least one speeding ticket they felt they didn't deserve.

Bottom line, quit ****ing with the police.

No it wouldn't make one paper...it would national news in the USA if it happened...Oh it did happen minus the taser.

http://www.usatoday.com/travel/flights/2007-09-30-airportarrest_N.htm

[RagingRandy]

I could rant here, but I won't. The problem as I see it is that the taser should be listed as a lethal weapon and used as such. Here is a website that lists all known taser related deaths. If this many people died from rubber bullets, batons, tear gas they would be outlawed by now.
http://truthnottasers.blogspot.com/2008/04/what-follows-are-names-where-known.html

[randysavage]

I could rant here, but I won't. The problem as I see it is that the taser should be listed as a lethal weapon and used as such. Here is a website that lists all known taser related deaths. If this many people died from rubber bullets, batons, tear gas they would be outlawed by now.
http://truthnottasers.blogspot.com/2008/04/what-follows-are-names-where-known.html



Agreed. It should be the weapon of last resort. Not used with 25 seconds. 4 RCMP officers should have zero problems subduing a man with no weapons.


Mind you I train with a lot of new cops and old timers. The old timers generally view the new timers are "wimps" due to the fact that they rely less on "brawling" and more on weapons. They tell me the new guys shoot / tase out of fear and lack of physical training. You don't want to hear what they old timers say about the chick cops.....

[RagingRandy]

Bottom line, quit ****ing with the police.

This can be easy to say but for those of diminished mental capacity it is difficult and some times impossible to react "correctly".

[physique]

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/british-columbia/story/2009/02/23/bc-taser-inquiry-dzeikanski-rundel.html

I know this is old news but I find it amazing that some dipshit cop can get off scott free after killing someone. WTF is wrong with the justice system and how shitty is RCMP training?! You would think 4 cops could grab a guy and handcuff him until they found someone who spoke Polish. Tasered him 5 times, the guy should be in jail for a long time.

Stuff like this pisses me off. What if the new immigrant had grabbed the taser and killed one of the cops? Life in prison, no parole. Why are cops so ****ing important. Maybe should have put this in the rant section lol.

couldnt agree more. this inquiry is a huge waste of tax payer money, when we all know what should happen anyways.
guy had a ****ing stapler is his hand, whooptie do. they should of found someone who spoke the language , and just held him down. not taser him.

pathetic

[Shortdave]

This can be easy to say but for those of diminished mental capacity it is difficult and some times impossible to react "correctly".

Whether you can understand a different language or not, if 4 people in uniforms are pointing weapons at you, put your hands in the air and drop what you are holding, if you can't understand that then you shouldn't travel alone.

[macka]

couldnt agree more. this inquiry is a huge waste of tax payer money, when we all know what should happen anyways.
guy had a ****ing stapler is his hand, whooptie do. they should of found someone who spoke the language , and just held him down. not taser him.

pathetic

so if a person grabs something and waves it around while resisting its ok? The guy was going bonkers and why risk getting hit if you don't have to? People forget that when someone goes bonkers they have some serious strength. Who here would voluntarily step up to a nut job wielding a stapler pulling a fit? I have seen 12 year old kids pummel doctors and nurses because they were afraid of stitches and needles. Yes he died, but he should have got the hint when the cops showed up.

[champcar99]

so if a person grabs something and waves it around while resisting its ok? The guy was going bonkers and why risk getting hit if you don't have to? People forget that when someone goes bonkers they have some serious strength. Who here would voluntarily step up to a nut job wielding a stapler pulling a fit? I have seen 12 year old kids pummel doctors and nurses because they were afraid of stitches and needles. Yes he died, but he should have got the hint when the cops showed up.

how did they resolve issues before the tazer were even in the hands of law enforcement ... many many years without it and now they use it and people are ****ing dieing and people think it's ok to have accidental deaths...WTF is wrong with people to think it's acceptable for someone to die at the hands of a ****ing pig who zaps the shit out of a guy 5 times because he's being unruly...give me a ****ing break..no one deserves to die just becasue they are being unruly or uncoperative....we are not in a third world country..

[faller]

Who here would voluntarily step up to a nut job wielding a stapler pulling a fit?

Oh boy, there's a loaded question. :D

[turboturist]

how did they resolve issues before the tazer were even in the hands of law enforcement ... many many years without it and now they use it and people are ****ing dieing and people think it's ok to have accidental deaths...WTF is wrong with people to think it's acceptable for someone to die at the hands of a ****ing pig who zaps the shit out of a guy 5 times because he's being unruly...give me a ****ing break..no one deserves to die just becasue they are being unruly or uncoperative....we are not in a third world country..

No your right, in third world countries they shoot you for the **** of it, maybe because your wearing a soccer team jersey he does not like. Go spend some exteneded amount of time in a third world country away from the tourist traps and see what some of them are really like before you make such ****ing retarded statements. A 2-3 weeks holiday in Mexico does not count. It is MUCH MUCH worse in other countries people!

lmao, your saying there were no accidental deaths due to police violence before the taser was invented? Jesus man wake the **** up.

Before there was the taser you got the shit kicked out of you or shot, both with the possibility of death. One more than other obviously.

Like i said in a previous post give me the taser above the beating with clubs or being shot any day of the week. 5 clubs to the head with a stick, 5 gun shot wounds or 5 taser zaps, bring on the taser baby.

And just so you know I have been zapped and it is one of the most excruciating things you will go through, but only for a short peroid of time.

[BAM]

Those 4 cops could have grabbed him and subdued him without killing him.

They just wanted to use their toys.

You all know it.

[champcar99]

"lmao, your saying there were no accidental deaths due to police violence before the taser was invented? Jesus man wake the **** up"

don't be putting words in mouth ...it seems that when someone dies at the hands of a pig with a tazer its acceptable if a person dies at the hands of a pig gun there is alittle more to answer to the use of a gun can only be used in certain sitsuations.. having a argument with a cop doesn't give him the right too shoot you but it gives him the right to tazer you...not listening to a cop doesnt give him the right to shoot you but it gives him the right too tazer you which might lead to death... if being uncoperative or unrulely puts your life at risk at the hands of a cop things need to change with the poilcy of the tazer...give it a rest there dude..if you died from that tazer sitsuation you were in your family would be the first to protest agaisnt the use of it...the tazer is a dump ****ing idea in the way they use it at will..

[phatkid77]

didnt read the whole thread, dont care too... heres the thing..

taser is considered "less lethal" force option....so, while tasering people they are not "supposed" to die..but hey, shit happens...now, take the taser out and start shooting people... i think you would find an increase in the number of deaths..lol

there actions are based on a "use of force continum", and they used an amount of force, that SHOULD not have killed the man..

4 people wrestling around with an individual, increases the chance of injury TO ALL INVOLVED.....

gunna watch video now...not sure if ive seen it

just watched it...where did he get tasered 5x?? they are 5 second blast (which feel good BTW) AND DROP YOU INSTANTLY...it looked like he was running, thus another jolt perhaps?

if i had to guess, it appears that either
postitional asphyixia, or
excited delerium is what caused the death..

the one idiot "appeared" to be kneeling on his head/neck...NO GOOD...plus he was on his belly with 4 guys on top......

tasers have shown no ill effect on pacemakers...so the taser cant be blamed i believe

[BAM]

The newspapers and yahoo news said 5 times.

[faller]

The newspapers and yahoo news said 5 times.

And we know that from personal experience they will always tell the truth, never imbelish a story or feed us disinformation. In that case news papers and yahoo news should be addmissable evidence in a court of law.

[BAM]

And we know that from personal experience they will always tell the truth, never imbelish a story or feed us disinformation. In that case news papers and yahoo news should be addmissable evidence in a court of law.

Cops lie and embellish as well, but I get your point about the Zionist Jews. ;)

[macka]

"lmao, your saying there were no accidental deaths due to police violence before the taser was invented? Jesus man wake the **** up"

don't be putting words in mouth ...it seems that when someone dies at the hands of a pig with a tazer its acceptable if a person dies at the hands of a pig gun there is alittle more to answer to the use of a gun can only be used in certain sitsuations.. having a argument with a cop doesn't give him the right too shoot you but it gives him the right to tazer you...not listening to a cop doesnt give him the right to shoot you but it gives him the right too tazer you which might lead to death... if being uncoperative or unrulely puts your life at risk at the hands of a cop things need to change with the poilcy of the tazer...give it a rest there dude..if you died from that tazer sitsuation you were in your family would be the first to protest agaisnt the use of it...the tazer is a dump ****ing idea in the way they use it at will..

Before when cops made someone drool in their porridge by use of the nightstick, society in general understood that public outbursts of stupidity would lead to a clubbing, and if the cop couldn't beat you down you were shot. In the present we have weenies suckholing about how the bad bad cops tazed someone endangering the public or the police when they are called to sort out a situation. If we went back to how many people died in police custody before the taser, you will probably see that they didn't respond to as many violent situations, and the ones they did respond too probably had more trips to the hospital to treat broken bones or to the morgue for gunshot wounds. I don't care where you come when you see a cop approaching you when you are being crazy, odds are you are going to get arrested, and if you resist, you are going to get hurt.

[BAM]

^^ I disagree..

There was actual audio of one cop asking another if he can tazer him (before they even got on the scene.)

To hell with those cowards. Take their badges away, they are not what a police officer should be, they are immature bullies and criminals and cowboys.

There are alot of biased opinions on here because many of you are in law enforcement or corrections, but that is not who gets to decide how force is to be applied. It is us the citizens of this country that you people serve.. and you cops will damn well listen when we tell you how to serve us.

We the people pay your God damn paychecks. We the people tell you what your job is. Thats the way it should be ..anyway.

[macka]

^^ I disagree..

There was actual audio of one cop asking another if he can tazer him (before they even got on the scene.)

To hell with those cowards. Take their badges away, they are not what a police officer should be, they are immature bullies and criminals and cowboys.

There are alot of biased opinions on here because many of you are in law enforcement or corrections, but that is not who gets to decide how force is to be applied. It is us the citizens of this country that you people serve.. and you cops will damn well listen when we tell you how to serve us.

We the people pay your God damn paychecks. We the people tell you what your job is. Thats the way it should be ..anyway.

Well sunshine, you are correct in that society should be setting policy, but in the real world it doesn't happen that way. If you ever had a job where you had to deal with shit day in and day out, and were despised by society in general you could understand what goes through their minds. If you can find the audio clip of this so called conversation I'd like to hear it. For the record I am not a cop or corrections officer.

[ironwill]

[QUOTE=BAM;152328]^^ I disagree..
There are alot of biased opinions on here because many of you are in law enforcement or corrections, but that is not who gets to decide how force is to be applied. It is us the citizens of this country that you people serve.. and you cops will damn well listen when we tell you how to serve us.QUOTE]


You are an interesting character, but i gotta say....Paranoia, will destroy ya...
I dont think any of the replies are po-po...or correction officers...
you are getting silly now bam-bam...:)

[turboturist]

You are an interesting character, but i gotta say....Paranoia, will destroy ya...
I dont think any of the replies are po-po...or correction officers...
you are getting silly now bam-bam...:)

Ya he is getting crazy, maybe one of these po-po and correction officers on here he talks about should zap his ass.

[turboturist]

Oh and macka is SMRT, :).

[O-Train]

I heard on the radio this morning that the use of tasers by police may come under review. So there may be some changes in terms of how and when police use them. After thinking about this some more the only real way to test a weapon like a taser is to use them and see what happens. So now that they have a better idea of what tasers can do they can write up a policy that better outlines how they should be used.

[BAM]

Well.. I brought this up to a retired city cop today and this is what he said:


"There was 4 of them and they were afraid of a guy with a stapler?"

"They should be fired"

"In my day, one female officer would have dug her keys into the back of his ear and walked him out of there.

[Cartwright Cartwright]

Well.. I brought this up to a retired city cop today and this is what he said:

Quote:
"There was 4 of them and they were afraid of a guy with a stapler?"

"They should be fired"

"In my day, one female officer would have dug her keys into the back of his ear and walked him out of there.

While I agree with the retired cop it's not the same no more. Back then cops were hired based on their ability to handle the job and the tough situations they were put in. Alot of the cops were athletes who couldn't go further in their sport and these guys could handle the job physically. This isn't how it works anymore, it's not the best guy/gal for the job for awhile it was about quotas on skin color and sex and I don't think there getting the quality applicants that they once were. Who wants to be a cop nowadays? Shit job dealing with shitty people most of the time. No thanks. In this situation I think the cops were probably scared of the guy,I mean take a look at these guys without there weapons they're not gonna be confronting anybody at anytime. I do think it's funny how all the doormen I know don't need weapons to deal with people who are alot more dangerous then this guy ever was. Maybe the cops should start trying to recruit bouncers at least they know how to deal with hostile people without wetting themselves.

[declan]

Cops should get a "shoot perp on the knee kind of training". Come on, I think the poor fellow would be better of getting a non fatal shot and live to tell his story.

[Beachmuscle]

I heard on the radio this morning that the use of tasers by police may come under review. So there may be some changes in terms of how and when police use them. After thinking about this some more the only real way to test a weapon like a taser is to use them and see what happens. So now that they have a better idea of what tasers can do they can write up a policy that better outlines how they should be used.

I heard this too, they are reviewing the policy for use and making changes.

[waderow]

Agreed. It should be the weapon of last resort. Not used with 25 seconds. 4 RCMP officers should have zero problems subduing a man with no weapons.


Mind you I train with a lot of new cops and old timers. The old timers generally view the new timers are "wimps" due to the fact that they rely less on "brawling" and more on weapons. They tell me the new guys shoot / tase out of fear and lack of physical training. You don't want to hear what they old timers say about the chick cops.....

and risk getting bitten? or the crazy dudes blood on you? ever hear of HIV, Aids, Hepatitus, etc etc etc.

tazer the ****ing guy, cuff him let him calm down.

i wouldnt risk my life because of some guys temper tantrum, and I bet all you guys wouldnt either

[BAM]

.Maybe the cops should start trying to recruit bouncers at least they know how to deal with hostile people without wetting themselves.

Agreed.. they should quit hiring cowardly little bitches in the police force. Apparently political correctness is causing un-necessary deaths. Its sad really.

[O-Train]

For anyone out of work they are looking for 2000 RCMP Officers. Not something I would do but I imagine for the right person it would be a good job.

[champcar99]

For anyone out of work they are looking for 2000 RCMP Officers. Not something I would do but I imagine for the right person it would be a good job.

I see them advertising in malls on craigslist..desperate...

[macka]

I'm quite happy being a mounter I don't ever want to be a mountee

[massmachine]

I'm quite happy being a mounter

Make sure your rubber boots have good grip. Sheep kick back pretty hard...

:flowers

[RagingRandy]

Make sure your rubber boots have good grip. Sheep kick back pretty hard...

:flowers

That is what we like around here.....The voice of experience.

[macka]

Make sure your rubber boots have good grip. Sheep kick back pretty hard...

:flowers

I just put a steel plate under their front hooves, so they can't get traction