I'm a hurtin' unit...

[jmaker]

Tren insomnia is kicking my ass hard. I'm running 600mg test cyp and 200mg tren-e a week. I'm on week 5.

I go to bed tired. Real tired. Then lay there tired for hours without sleeping. The sleepless nights have caught up to me and I'm now sick. My appetite is gone, I'm losing weight etc.

Last night I tried Benedryl 50mg. Pharmacist said it would knock me out. Took a tab at 11:00 last night, I was exhausted. I fell asleep at 5:00am and woke up at 9:00am and can't get back to sleep. This ****ing sucks.

I've heard the rants and raves about how awesome Tren is. And with all this going on I still have to admit my body looks like its morphing. Just looks better overall.

I don't want to drop the Tren. I just want to sleep. Thats all. Should I try some graval? Neo-citran? WTF? I'm so grumpy I'd kick my dog if I had the energy.

[champcar99]

seems to be alot of this going on....spring and summer cycles...lmao

[nisser]

Try and change your habits before going to bed.

1) stop watching tv
2) cut out coffee/tea/pop
3) don't play video games or anything that can excite/rile you up
4) don't argue or discuss meaningful shit with S.O. or roomates
5) do something relaxing before bed like reading a book

[tex]

try some breathing exercises like meditation type shit......and a good 15 minutes of light stretching.......that always help me.......

[tiramisu]

With Test-E injecting eod for stable blood levels seems to help.
Maybe try splitting up your dosage to 2 or 3 per week and see if it helps.

[jmaker]

Half dose every monday and friday.

[Sean]

Melatonin!!!

[jmaker]

I was running abombs at 50mg a day for the first 4 weeks. So I've been off them for a week. Could possibly account for some of the weight loss and maybe even loss of appetite. I didn't lose weight when I came off the dbols when running omnadren though (cycle 2 years ago) so I really don't know wtf. Pulling at straws here and I'm honestly exhausted.

[Redz]

With Test-E injecting eod for stable blood levels seems to help.
Maybe try splitting up your dosage to 2 or 3 per week and see if it helps.Test E does not need to be shot eod and there is no benifit.

[natenator]

Test E does not need to be shot eod and there is no benifit.
I suggest otherwise. AAS should be shot ED regardless of ester but people don't because of the hassle of ED shots.

[Redz]

Injecting the enathate ester every 3.5 days will achieve stability with very little variance and I`m sure there is virtually no benifit to injecting anymore often.

[tiramisu]

Having tried weekly, mon/thurs, and eod I can say that with enanthate IM, for my experiment of 1 that I have observed less sides with more frequent injections.

If this is not the case for your experiment of 1 then I suggest you ignore my observations with regard to your pet rat.

[waderow]

my biggest problem is waking up middle of night with sweats on tren.

#1, dont do tren e ever again if it is kicking your ass that bad. Stick to tren a. You will be ****ed up for 3-4 weeks after you come off so youre in for the long haul

#2, go buy some GABA, and take 3 grams before bad. This will knock you out without narcotics. Once it slows down after a few times, up the dose.

#3, make sure youre doing cardio. Lots of cardio really helps me with tren sides.

#4, Nisser (post3) and tex (post 4) have some good suggestions too.

[jmaker]

Stayed away from Tren-A on purpose. The pro's and cons were weighed in and I felt that ED injections or EOD injections was something I preferred not to do. However, my biggest reason was fear of the dreaded tren cough. The amount of reports of tren cough off of tren e was drastically reduced if not eliminated compared to tren a. This isn't based off personal experience but a hell of a lot of reading. I've yet to experience it, so far so good in that respect.

I'm not saying that tren a wouldn't have been a better option in hindsight, but my decision was an educated one, and I make my decisions with care.

I appreciate the great feedback and suggestions from all of you.

I would like to ask, from all the experience out there.. from all of you who have had tren insomnia, once you get it, does it remain for the duration of tren use? Or have some of you had it, and seen it diminish on its own?

[Amoral]

Man, I've aspirated blood with Tren A and gone through veins etc - the Tren was definately working...night sweats...increased strength...increased acne :(, but no Tren cough. I believe it's totally different for each person and it might be worth it to switch over to the shorter ester.

As for the Tren insomnia, mine didn't remain after discontinuation of use. I'm on approx same dose as you now but with Tren A, and haven't sleep this good in years. The keto diet slash cardio everyday makes a huuuuge difference I've found.

[waderow]

Stayed away from Tren-A on purpose. The pro's and cons were weighed in and I felt that ED injections or EOD injections was something I preferred not to do. However, my biggest reason was fear of the dreaded tren cough. The amount of reports of tren cough off of tren e was drastically reduced if not eliminated compared to tren a. This isn't based off personal experience but a hell of a lot of reading. I've yet to experience it, so far so good in that respect.

I'm not saying that tren a wouldn't have been a better option in hindsight, but my decision was an educated one, and I make my decisions with care.

I appreciate the great feedback and suggestions from all of you.

I would like to ask, from all the experience out there.. from all of you who have had tren insomnia, once you get it, does it remain for the duration of tren use? Or have some of you had it, and seen it diminish on its own?

Pros and cons include the con of using tren e in that it takes weeks for sides to subside after last jab. Tren cough happens with tren a, but it is not every shot. I just did a couple bottles, and did infact get it once, but it wasnt that bad.

[Namelessone]

Read the bible... I'm not joking... Puts me to sleep quick... Also take some graval which should help.

[tex]

test e should ideally be injected eod or m w f to get optimal levels......look up the roid calculator and play around with diff dosing scheds.....you'll see......

[evoke]

I've always had sleep problems. I find that reading (or doing something extremely boring) helps me fall asleep.

[natenator]

Read the bible... I'm not joking... Puts me to sleep quick... Also take some graval which should help.
Branch? is that you? lol

[rufusrocks]

wow all this tren stuff, i feel for you guys... long time sleep deprivation can make you go nuts. maybe it ain't worth it must be other routes you can go. never used it and don't intend to. wonder what causes the insomnia? i would stay away from cold medicines like waderow has mentioned before Gaba is supposed to be good.

good luck man

[Body By Balco]

I suggest otherwise. AAS should be shot ED regardless of ester but people don't because of the hassle of ED shots.



Bow


Due to logarithmic ester decay, a non linear release of the ester from the parent molecule. Many positive benefits from more frequent injections of less steroid.

I'm not getting into this discussion again, I just wanted to acknowledge your post and position on the subject.


B3

[rufusrocks]

Bow


Due to logarithmic ester decay, a non linear release of the ester from the parent molecule. Many positive benefits from more frequent injections of less steroid.

I'm not getting into this discussion again, I just wanted to acknowledge your post and position on the subject.


B3

sounds logical ...

[hugh mungus]

Wow, and just on 200mg a week of tren E..it's amazing guys do double and triple that with few sides.