Starting Week 6 & Feelin Nothing

[Jim Rhatt]

I'm heading into my 6th week of my first cycle - xxx Test E (250mg x 2/week) - and don't really feel much - no noticeable strength increase and only about a 5lb gain which is likely fat/water gain due to increased caloric (and carb) intake. Most people say it takes 4 to 5 weeks for test e to kick in - the test is a new batch (expires 2011).

I'm thinking of ditching it and getting my hands on some Iranian Test E. I look forward to any comments.

Thanks all.

[champcar99]

just relax bro..it will be kicking in real soon..

[ironwill]

nice last name mr. rahtt...first post???

[Jim Rhatt]

yeah - my maiden post, but been reading this site for quite some time now.

[Jim Rhatt]

i just increased my number of posts by 300% - now if i could only see such an increase in strength :)

[ironwill]

strange last name still....rhatt, minus an h gives you>????

[deleteduser0001]

strange last name still....rhatt, minus an h gives you>????

it gives you Gym Rat.

[pinhead]

xxx is pretty good. If you say you don't feel anything, why not try to bump up the dosage instead of switching over? That's what I'd do first before dumping it. Tried it last year and was up to par with all the top labs.

[evoke]

if it's fake, post pictures of it.

[ergie]

I tried xxx as well, wasn't really impressed with it to say the least.

[Jim Rhatt]

I'm pretty sure it's not fake and i am a bit reluctant to bump dosage just yet (it is my first cycle and I'm thinking 500mg/week should be sufficient). I guess I will see what happens after this week (ie. 2 more pins - making it 6 full weeks) and if I still don't notice anything I will bump dosage - what should i bump it to (an additional 200mg/week)?

[nisser]

out of curiosity, what are your stats? And what's your daily diet like?

[Jim Rhatt]

i'm 37 years old, been training naturally for about 15 years, naturally small/skinny framed, about 155 lbs @ 13 to 15%bf, 5'8". diet is very clean for the most part, 5 to 7 meals per day, 3,000-3,300 cals. doing DC training.

[nisser]

Meaning you are an ecto? Up your cals to 4000 and give it a few more weeks and keep us posted.

[waderow]

shit thats alot of cals.... 4000 cals @ 155pounds. If you dont start gaining weight.... You got a tapeworm bro lol

Test E usually takes a few weeks, so I wouldn't write it off yet. Are you getting any other effects, such as wood, labido, aggression?

[Jim Rhatt]

i agree with waderow - 4k cals at my bodyweight may be overkill given that i've already put on some fat around the midsection eating 3k cals. i am likely an ecto, but eating too high cals i put on bodyfat too easily on the stomach and sides - could be an age thing.

maybe i should bump cals to 3.5k but i find it pretty hard to put down that quantity and still keep it clean!

[Jim Rhatt]

aggression - not really
labido - no real increase
wood - seem to sport wood in the morning after i pin but not walking around with one like a 13 year old

[tex]

my 1st cycle was xxx enth and it was week 6 before i really knew i was on.......im using enth right now to cruise and it seems g2g to me....this would be newer batch as well.....pm me with details to confirm

[natenator]

shit thats alot of cals.... 4000 cals @ 155pounds. If you dont start gaining weight.... You got a tapeworm bro lol

Test E usually takes a few weeks, so I wouldn't write it off yet. Are you getting any other effects, such as wood, labido, aggression?
aggression on test? hmmm I never get aggressive on gear. Even tren. very ho hum.

Off cycle? temper like a mad man! weird how gear calms me out.

[Dk]

aggression on test? hmmm I never get aggressive on gear. Even tren. very ho hum.

Off cycle? temper like a mad man! weird how gear calms me out.

lucky you.

just sittin in the work truck in the morning and hearing someone whistle along to a song makes me annoyed as f*ck and i wanna punt a baby.

[nisser]

i agree with waderow - 4k cals at my bodyweight may be overkill given that i've already put on some fat around the midsection eating 3k cals. i am likely an ecto, but eating too high cals i put on bodyfat too easily on the stomach and sides - could be an age thing.

maybe i should bump cals to 3.5k but i find it pretty hard to put down that quantity and still keep it clean!

Sorry buddy but putting on fat (especially on the stomach and sides for men) is gonna happen no matter what. Definitively up the cals imo; it's up to you though.

[Jim Rhatt]

Sorry buddy but putting on fat (especially on the stomach and sides for men) is gonna happen no matter what. Definitively up the cals imo; it's up to you though.


i hear you nisser. i'm proabably being too cautious with the fat gain knowing how hard it is to diet it off - i don't want to fall into the vicious cycle of gaining muscle, dieting hard to lose the accumulated fat and losing most, if not all, of the muscle gained.

[waderow]

Sorry buddy but putting on fat (especially on the stomach and sides for men) is gonna happen no matter what. Definitively up the cals imo; it's up to you though.

Perhaps carbs are too low. It is always a big mistake to cut too many carbs on diet... Carbs make you BIG

[Jim Rhatt]

Tex - i sent you pm

[Proteinkiller]

i love ana... lately all ive ran was xxx but i had the chance to grab some more xxx and i scooped up a few bottles to toss into my next cycle.. no complaints here

[DRDOOM]

Not to be a dick but if you have been training for 15 years and only weigh

155lbs at 13% to 15% bodyfat you obviously don't know anything about

working out. What the **** do you do when your there walk on the treadmill

and drink a protein shake? My suggestion to you is to stay away from aas

because you obviously didn't give a shit for the last 15 years so why give a

shit now.

DRDOOM

[Dk]

Not to be a dick but if you have been training for 15 years and only weigh

155lbs at 13% to 15% bodyfat you obviously don't know anything about

working out. What the **** do you do when your there walk on the treadmill

and drink a protein shake? My suggestion to you is to stay away from aas

because you obviously didn't give a shit for the last 15 years so why give a

shit now.

DRDOOM
i thought this to but i wouldnt have worded it quite like that haha

ecto isnt an excuse to be 155lbs after 15 years bro, no offense

[BAM]

Well..

I usually feel a libido/boner increase from good enanthate by week 3. You should be starting to gain water by now and you should feel the nad pinch IMO.

[BDH]

Not to be a dick but if you have been training for 15 years and only weigh

155lbs at 13% to 15% bodyfat you obviously don't know anything about

working out. What the **** do you do when your there walk on the treadmill

and drink a protein shake? My suggestion to you is to stay away from aas

because you obviously didn't give a shit for the last 15 years so why give a

shit now.

DRDOOMCouldnt have said it better.

Without coming off like an ass, Jim, it sounds to me like youve got JKurz syndrome. Working out consistantly and worrying so much about gaining an ounce of fat, you complete destroy ANY chance of gaining solid mass.

So, tell us... why, after 15 years did you all of a sudden decide to start using gear?

[Jim Rhatt]

Not to be a dick but if you have been training for 15 years and only weigh

155lbs at 13% to 15% bodyfat you obviously don't know anything about

working out. What the **** do you do when your there walk on the treadmill

and drink a protein shake? My suggestion to you is to stay away from aas

because you obviously didn't give a shit for the last 15 years so why give a

shit now.

DRDOOM

I realize that my stats don't look good on paper but to put it into context I would weigh about 120lbs if i didn't work out - i have extremely small bones, wrists, and ankles.

About a year ago I met a former pro bb and he agreed that despite the fact that my genetics were not meant for bb, I had built a pretty decent physique and was likely unable to develop it much further au natural. I know it is usually a poor excuse, but believe me when i tell you i do not have the genetics for bb.

BTW, my only use for the treadmill is to do high rep strict military presses with it.

[Jim Rhatt]

Couldnt have said it better.

Without coming off like an ass, Jim, it sounds to me like youve got JKurz syndrome. Working out consistantly and worrying so much about gaining an ounce of fat, you complete destroy ANY chance of gaining solid mass.

So, tell us... why, after 15 years did you all of a sudden decide to start using gear?

So I can get past my 155lb sticking point and look like someone who works out when wearing non-gym clothing.

[natenator]

I realize that my stats don't look good on paper but to put it into context I would weigh about 120lbs if i didn't work out - i have extremely small bones, wrists, and ankles.

About a year ago I met a former pro bb and he agreed that despite the fact that my genetics were not meant for bb, I had built a pretty decent physique and was likely unable to develop it much further au natural. I know it is usually a poor excuse, but believe me when i tell you i do not have the genetics for bb.

BTW, my only use for the treadmill is to do high rep strict military presses with it.
good job to you for not taking offense. I certainly would have lol

[BDH]

So I can get past my 155lb sticking point and look like someone who works out when wearing non-gym clothing.Dude, I know why PEOPLE take stuff.... I want to know why YOU, after being natural so long, decided "its time NOW."

Why not when you were younger?

[Jim Rhatt]

Dude, I know why PEOPLE take stuff.... I want to know why YOU, after being natural so long, decided "its time NOW."

Why not when you were younger?

I thought about it since my early 20's - at that time I probably felt that i didn't have proper (or any) information (pre-internet days mind you) and was worried about negative sides and probably getting caught by the folks.

However, after years of research and hard exercise (taking my physique about as far as i could naturally), I finally decided that I had the proper info required to take the "plunge". In hindsight, I should have started many years ago and maybe, just maybe, i would weigh 156lbs today :D

[Kronis]

lucky you.

just sittin in the work truck in the morning and hearing someone whistle along to a song makes me annoyed as f*ck and i wanna punt a baby.



BTW, my only use for the treadmill is to do high rep strict military presses with it.
:laugh

Holy shit, my sides hurt.

3300 cals @ 155 lbs should have you gaining weight. Hell, on 500mg test @ that weight you should be growing like a weed. Something tells me there's another factor.

What's your workout routine like and how often do you sleep every night?

[Jim Rhatt]

:laugh

Holy shit, my sides hurt.

3300 cals @ 155 lbs should have you gaining weight. Hell, on 500mg test @ that weight you should be growing like a weed. Something tells me there's another factor.

What's your workout routine like and how often do you sleep every night?

I am hoping that the weight should start coming on right about now (5 weeks in). I'm back on DC training and sleeping about 7.5 hours a night (would like to get more, but can't get to bed early enough).

If I don't begin to see a body weight and strength increase real soon, I may jack my intake by an additional 200mg per week and try to cleanly increase caloric intake.

I initially started the thread thinking that perhaps the test i was using was not the greatest and looking for some feedback from others who have used ATech test e in the past. Maybe I jumped the gun and should have waited another week or two.

I appreciate everyone's feedback (even the naysayers out there as I hate to admit but would probably be thinking the same thing). Now I must get back to icing my hamstring which i just likely strained/pulled doing Romanian DL's.

[tex]

In hindsight, I should have started many years ago and maybe, just maybe, i would weigh 156lbs today :D lol....good attitude bro....keep at it

[BDH]

I may be alone here in my opinion, but I think DC might be the wrong way for you to be going about this.

[Kilburn]

go get a blood test done... check your test levels and see where it's at.

maybe you just dont know how to eat or train.

[Kilburn]

I realize that my stats don't look good on paper but to put it into context I would weigh about 120lbs if i didn't work out - i have extremely small bones, wrists, and ankles.

About a year ago I met a former pro bb and he agreed that despite the fact that my genetics were not meant for bb, I had built a pretty decent physique and was likely unable to develop it much further au natural. I know it is usually a poor excuse, but believe me when i tell you i do not have the genetics for bb.

BTW, my only use for the treadmill is to do high rep strict military presses with it.

lol, u obviously have no clue what you're doing. learn how to eat and train properly. i was 140 at 5'11 in highschool, skrawny, no muscle, tiny frame, and i would eat mcdicks for lunch and a giant pizza each night and not gain a pound. i am classic ecto, but look at what i achieved:

http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/6362/noface.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/noface.jpg/1/w224.png (http://g.imageshack.us/img148/noface.jpg/1/)

not trying to brag, and i know there are plenty of people out there that look alot better but i'm using it to illustrate that is possible and you need to stop making excuses for yourself.

[Houstonbc]

you have posted that picture like 10 times on here
good job though bro.

[tex]

you have posted that picture like 10 times on here
good job though bro. he's just showin off that bad ass arm-band tatty.......nice work tho.....

[natenator]

go get a blood test done... check your test levels and see where it's at.

maybe you just dont know how to eat or train.
maybe your just an arrogant prick?

[Dk]

this thread is now "one of those threads again"

haha

wheres the popcorn, fights on.

[Monka]

Iabout a 5lb gain which is likely fat/water gain

Thanks all.
If your traing 15yrs and have those stats, and gained 5lbs already? Sooo you did eat more before cycle? IF you can gain that with food alone why wouldnt you have done this? I'd just wait, it's probably just kiding in..

[Kronis]

http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd264/thebitterlegion/Macros/Gifs/Jackson_popcorn.gif

[Dk]

If your traing 15yrs and have those stats, and gained 5lbs already? Sooo you did eat more before cycle? IF you can gain that with food alone why wouldnt you have done this? I'd just wait, it's probably just kiding in..

good point, did you ever think of that OP?

you said yourself your genetics are absolutely horrible.

if you only gained 35lbs in 15 years, maybe realistically you can only shoot for 10lbs or so a cycle.

AAS doesnt change your genetics remember

[natenator]

http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd264/thebitterlegion/Macros/Gifs/Jackson_popcorn.gif
hahaha

[frenchy]

lucky you.

just sittin in the work truck in the morning and hearing someone whistle along to a song makes me annoyed as f*ck and i wanna punt a baby.

lmao..thats funny.

[Kilburn]

maybe your just an arrogant prick?

lol youre so jealous of me arnt you? hahahaha

post up your pics big shot...

ya, that's what i thought. lol

[PUMPON]

I only tryed there stuff once test e as well and every bottle (6) i bought crashed hard and had to be replaced. The problem was taken care of so it wasn't a big deal from what i heard a bad batch. I haven't heard hardly any negative feedback on xxx but that one incident was enough for me.

[evoke]

http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd264/thebitterlegion/Macros/Gifs/Jackson_popcorn.gif

lol

[Repmeister]

I don't want to say that there is anything wrong with your gear. Everyone is different and it just might take longer to kick in in some people.

I did my first injectable cycle last year at the age of 43 so I don't blame you for waiting. I have been working out since high-school too but never really made any major gains until I started experimenting with AAS - first prohormones and orals like SD, M1T, etc. We don't all have the genetics to "get huge". A buddy of mine eats like an average joe, trains hard and is huge. I am not so lucky and have to fight for every pound so I definitely feel for you.

My first injectable cycle consisted of 600 mg/week of TE. It was not xxx. I noticed it starting to kick in about week four. No aggression but dramatically increased self confidence. Libido increased dramatically too by week four and onward. I gained a total of just over 25 pounds on that cycle - from 175 to 202 at 5'6" tall.

Started my second cycle three weeks ago. 600 mg TE and 400 mg EQ. Effects are already noticeable and am about about 10 lbs. Starting to swell up again and most of my clothes are already tight. I have not increased caloric intake as much as I did my first cycle to try to keep some of the blub down.

I think that you should be feeling it by now. Push it to 600 mg.

[Kilburn]

i can feel my test e kick in by like week 2 now. obviously by week 4 it will be at a much higher concentration and kicking alot harder, but my point is i can tell pretty much right away.

[Big D]

it usualy takes me around 8 weeks to have that "feeling" of being on.

[Rhinobolt10]

dude, if you're eating 4k cals a day, I'm a kangaroo with a heroin problem... jk

Seriously... are you sure you're eating that much? do you have a food diary? scale? be sure for like a week and I bet something good will happen.

Also make sure you're training legs... and make sure you're training like an effing madman and putting more weight on the bar...

good luck dude... we've all been stuck before.

[BAM]

I mean really.. by week 8, you know if your gear is good or not. You don't need anyone to tell you.
(regardless of diet)

[natenator]

Good gear will produce water weight, strength and libido increase nomatter what your diet is, even with moderate training (unless of course you are starving yourself). Double the dose and if you dont notice anything in the next 2 weeks throw it in the garbage.
good gear produces water weight? hmmm so how come then I dry out like a desert when I diet for a show?

[BAM]

He's trying to get big, not diet for a show.. Besides that, I'm talking about test.

[natenator]

He's trying to get big, not diet for a show.. Besides that, I'm talking about test.
you said that if the gear is good he will put on water weight. It should not matter if dieting or gaining for your statement to hold.

You think I don't diet with test? lol

The fact of the matter your diet is what controls water - either food or low water intake causing retention.

[Kilburn]

you said that if the gear is good he will put on water weight. It should not matter if dieting or gaining for your statement to hold.

You think I don't diet with test? lol

The fact of the matter your diet is what controls water - either food or low water intake causing retention.

uhh test causes water retention idiot, everyone knows that.

[natenator]

uhh test causes water retention idiot, everyone knows that.
really ? then explain how I do not retain water dieting for a show?

diet causes the retention.

[natenator]

so are you saying if you put 500 grams carbs into your system you aren't going to hold water?

[Born2Juice4Ever]

I am going to jump in here quickly:

-NO NEED for name calling whatsoever, keep it civil and human-like!! thanks

-Over my juice abusive and beautiful career, \i have learned that diet dictates and NOT so much the compound ran. Having said that, the binding process is very different from compound to compound. Some people tend to retain more water while running some compounds, while others are not so proune.--

Take it with a grain of salt: IT IS NOT THE GEAR


B2J

[waderow]

curious.....

1. are you blasting a whole bunch of AI or any serms? I made that mistake once, and didnt grow nearly what I should have. Estrogen is required to grow.

2. what is your diet ratios proten:carbs:fat as a %

3. how is your work outs... are you one of those guys in the gym doing arms for 3 hours?

4. do you take pwo carbs, and then a protein rich pwo meal?

5. do you life heavy? and how often?

[Jim Rhatt]

curious.....

1. are you blasting a whole bunch of AI or any serms? I made that mistake once, and didnt grow nearly what I should have. Estrogen is required to grow.

2. what is your diet ratios proten:carbs:fat as a %

3. how is your work outs... are you one of those guys in the gym doing arms for 3 hours?

4. do you take pwo carbs, and then a protein rich pwo meal?

5. do you life heavy? and how often?

1. about 2 weeks in i started taking 1mg Adex every three to four days;

2. roughly 40:35:25

3. DC training - 3 days/week - 1 double rest pause taken to failure on most exercises

4. pwo shake = waxy maize+BCAA+leucine+pepto pro, then about 45 to 60 minutes later a high carb/protein solid meal

5. see point 3 - lifting heavy and with intensity 3 times per week

[Kronis]

I seriously think only training 3 times a week is a waste of a cycle.

[BDH]

I think for someone your size, DC is the wrong choice.

[Houstonbc]

/\ /\ /\ yes what hammer said

i think you should pound heavy weights 5 times a week and you will see better results that with DC

[Dk]

someone fill me in on this DC training, dont think ive heard of it

[Jim Rhatt]

I think for someone your size, DC is the wrong choice.

I've done volume based training for years and I don't have a have a great recovery ability - switching to DC and reducing the volume and frequency of training, I find my recovery to be better.

Would you suggest I go back to a higher volume, lower intensity style of training?

[Dk]

I've done volume based training for years and I don't have a have a great recovery ability - switching to DC and reducing the volume and frequency of training, I find my recovery to be better.

Would you suggest I go back to a higher volume, lower intensity style of training?

your recovery on cycle is gonna blow your natural recovery ability outta the water

[Kronis]

You're on cycle, your recovery ability is significantly improved.

[BDH]

I definitely think more frequent, lower intensity would benefit you more... just my opinion...

[hugh mungus]

You're heading into week 6 now...don't worry, xxx is G2G. You're really only doing a mild dose, you will soon see some small steady gains.

[Jim Rhatt]

You're on cycle, your recovery ability is significantly improved.


your recovery on cycle is gonna blow your natural recovery ability outta the water

Good point. Perhaps I should alternate between DC and a volume-based routine every 4 to 6 weeks.

[Dk]

Good point. Perhaps I should alternate between DC and a volume-based routine every 4 to 6 weeks.

Id just keep it simple and hammer yourself with a 4 or 5 day split, then when you want change just tweak the split a bit.

theres a reason 4 or 5 day splits are one of the most used methods

[DRDOOM]

Please 500mg a week for a 150pound virgin. He should be feeling it 100% &

doesn't need to up the dosage. The fact that he trains only 3 day per week

leads me to beleive he should concentrate on basket weaving or knitting

instead of trying to work out as he has no dedication.


DRDOOM

[Dk]

concentrate on basket weaving or knitting



DRDOOM

Epic forearm pumps.

I do 6 sets of 2 baskets twice a week.

[hugh mungus]

I'm starting to think he had inflated expectations!!! Drugs and dosages are secondary to hard work, dedication and diet.

[faller]

The fact that he trains only 3 day per week


DRDOOM

You're kidding right?

[tex]

dont stray from the dc training.......if you wanna gain you need to train heavy and train as often as you can without overtraining and dc is the best way......i use dc and put on damn near 60 lbs in 2 years.....

[canadianmuscle0803]

at your bodyweight and this being your first cycle you should definitely feel a sense of well being, and a increased libido, I cant comment on this lab as I have not used it, maybe its time to shop around.

[BAM]

you said that if the gear is good he will put on water weight. It should not matter if dieting or gaining for your statement to hold.

You think I don't diet with test? lol

The fact of the matter your diet is what controls water - either food or low water intake causing retention.

So whats your point Nate? The guy already said he isnt starving himself.

You can't tell when you are on good test or shit test nate? Is that what you are suggesting?

[natenator]

So whats your point Nate? The guy already said he isnt starving himself.

You can't tell when you are on good test or shit test nate? Is that what you are suggesting?
my point is if yuou are using water weight as your judge to whether gear is good or not then I don't think your problem with empire had anything to do with the gear.

In other words I don't think you have a clue what you are doing and advising people should be left to those who actually know and not people like you who simple read forums.

Is that clear enough for you?

You can run from your statement and try to spin it all you want but you said water weight is a way to good judge of quality gear. I suppose if someone gains 2 new pimples that's a way for them to tewll if it's quality tooo huh?

[canadianmuscle0803]

being 155 lbs and doing 500mg of test/week you should notice gains no matter what, unless your not eating or training AT ALL! i gained 20lbs on my first cycle of 500mg test, genetics? maybe, but this gear sounds like bunk to me, i have read multiple threads on other forums about this gear and I have heard more bad then good reviews..

[BDH]

Debatable topic, but there's room for this in a whole new thread.

I've run up to 1,900mg of gear a week, and on minimal sleep, pizza pops, Michelina's, and milk I managed to see pretty substancial gains while training like a pussy and partying lots.

Anyways.. Pretty useless contribution to the thread, but the point is that drugs make up a whole lot more in bodybuilding that most bodybuilders want to account for.

But anyhow, I'm just curious to what BDH thinks about Jim Rhatt training DC-style? Lol..Was I beating a dead horse? LOL When someone doesnt hear me the first time, I hafta say it again...

[ironwill]

hammer, you were right earlier...wanna bet 20 bucks this is j-kurz.....??
Jim do you eat 15 or 30 almonds per meal...sorry had to do it..

Whoever said you cant diet down and get lean on test needs to look at their diet way more closely....Water retention is significant on high carbs etc, but if diet is in check, test will make you rock hard as well..
Definitely should be results at week 6...

Im sure we have been down this road before on nexus...he just found this site over here...

[Jim Rhatt]

Please 500mg a week for a 150pound virgin. He should be feeling it 100% &

doesn't need to up the dosage. The fact that he trains only 3 day per week

leads me to beleive he should concentrate on basket weaving or knitting

instead of trying to work out as he has no dedication.


DRDOOM

Dude, you have just lost any credibility I may have given you with a comment like that (ie. ONLY 3 times per week...no dedication) and leads me to believe that your knowledge of training is clearly limited. I implore you to go to the intensemuscle.com board and post a comment like that. I think you should do a bit more reading/research before you dole out advise - i sure hope to G-d that you are not a "trainer".

[O-Train]

If you have trouble putting weight on training DC than something is wrong.

If you eat a ton of food, get lots of sleep and train properly you can easily get to over 200lbs in less than a year w/o gear. Regardless of genetics, genetics are just an excuse. Unless there is actually something seriously wrong with you in which case you should probably get blood work done.

[tex]

Please 500mg a week for a 150pound virgin. He should be feeling it 100% &

doesn't need to up the dosage. The fact that he trains only 3 day per week

leads me to beleive he should concentrate on basket weaving or knitting

instead of trying to work out as he has no dedication.


DRDOOM drdoom........that is the most retarded statement i have ever heard....look up dc training....dc is the most intense shit i have ever done.....dont comment on shit that you have no idea about cuz it just makes you look like a ****stick....no to be rude or anything :)

[jsv22]

drdoom....it should be drdumbshit..........that is the most retarded statement i have ever heard....look up dc training....dc is the most intense shit i have ever done and i ****ing bet that i move more weight in 1 workout then you move all week.....dont comment on shit that you have no idea about cuz it just makes you look like a ****stick....no to be rude or anything :)

Ya i wont be as rude as you but from what i understand many westside BB guys only train 3x/week,

JR, hows it going now? any updates?

your strength should be up and you should have put a few lbs of water on (at the very least, by now, even if your diet is isocaloric)...

-jsv

[ironwill]

On the dc front....I did ok on DC training, 3 times/week....DC trng is the good stuff, IF, you are doing DC...I am one of the original dcers and was trained by him for 2 years...
Hit my all time largest size of 278 lbs with him, and my all time strongest...
6 plates/side squats ass to grass for rest/pause of 15 reps, benched 405 for a few no spotter, deadlifted 5 plates/side ,rowed at a 90 degree angle chest paralell to floor 3 plates /side, rest paused for 15.Very little gear as well....It works, no question about it....IF, thats a big IF, you can generate enough intensity and have the fortitude to beat each previous workout....Not many can, so they change and twek things, next thing you know, they arent dcing it anymore and whine about no results...
True story..
I am older now and still do DC, butn have changed my eating habits from the original dc style for now...May go back to it off season, but the eating is not healthy... 3 -4 lbs of meat per day etc...takes its toll IMO..

[BDH]

Guys, for the record... I am a HUGE fan of DC and think its incredible. I just dont think its right for THIS guy.

[faller]

On the dc front....I did ok on DC training, 3 times/week....DC trng is the good stuff, IF, you are doing DC...I am one of the original dcers and was trained by him for 2 years...
Hit my all time largest size of 278 lbs with him, and my all time strongest...
6 plates/side squats ass to grass for rest/pause of 15 reps, benched 405 for a few no spotter, deadlifted 5 plates/side ,rowed at a 90 degree angle chest paralell to floor 3 plates /side, rest paused for 15.Very little gear as well....It works, no question about it....IF, thats a big IF, you can generate enough intensity and have the fortitude to beat each previous workout....Not many can, so they change and twek things, next thing you know, they arent dcing it anymore and whine about no results...
True story..
I am older now and still do DC, butn have changed my eating habits from the original dc style for now...May go back to it off season, but the eating is not healthy... 3 -4 lbs of meat per day etc...takes its toll IMO..


Thats some serious poundage's!!! I remember a while back Dante asking the boards out there to pull his DC programs off the boards for that very reason. Guy's were "modifing" his program and than bitching on the boards how his program doesn't work.

[tex]

my comment was a bit out of line but I just can't stand it when ppl talk shit about things they know nothing about.......

[tex]

On the dc front....I did ok on DC training, 3 times/week....DC trng is the good stuff, IF, you are doing DC...I am one of the original dcers and was trained by him for 2 years...
Hit my all time largest size of 278 lbs with him, and my all time strongest...
6 plates/side squats ass to grass for rest/pause of 15 reps, benched 405 for a few no spotter, deadlifted 5 plates/side ,rowed at a 90 degree angle chest paralell to floor 3 plates /side, rest paused for 15.Very little gear as well....It works, no question about it....IF, thats a big IF, you can generate enough intensity and have the fortitude to beat each previous workout....Not many can, so they change and twek things, next thing you know, they arent dcing it anymore and whine about no results...
True story..
I am older now and still do DC, butn have changed my eating habits from the original dc style for now...May go back to it off season, but the eating is not healthy... 3 -4 lbs of meat per day etc...takes its toll IMO.. arent the squats and rows supposed to be straight sets?? awesome #'s btw......

[ironwill]

No, im not aware of that...I followed what Dante wrote for me to do, i didnt question anything unless i didnt understand exactly how he wanted something done...He featured me on Intencemuscle as a guy that made incredible gains...i was a proud man that day..
I still do those weights off season, but now...not so much, my ego has been in check for a month or 2 now.dieting suxxx..:flowers

[ironwill]

Guys, for the record... I am a HUGE fan of DC and think its incredible. I just dont think its right for THIS guy.
i know,,,,you know...lol...it was meant for others to view, as i said,,,it isnt for all, fortitude is a big thing here....BIG:handsome

[waderow]

1. about 2 weeks in i started taking 1mg Adex every three to four days;

2. roughly 40:35:25

3. DC training - 3 days/week - 1 double rest pause taken to failure on most exercises

4. pwo shake = waxy maize+BCAA+leucine+pepto pro, then about 45 to 60 minutes later a high carb/protein solid meal

5. see point 3 - lifting heavy and with intensity 3 times per week

do you need the arimidex? drop it if you dont

maybe try switching your training style just to get out of the repetitive routine. switch to a more traditional lifting protocol. switching routines often stimulates growth. make very sure you are not over training. lots of info in BB training forum

perhaps **** with your diet a bit and drop some fat, and raise the carbs 10%


* just some suggestions. take it for what its worth

[natenator]

Here's a question for all.

He's on week 6. Can we all agree that if he made no changes to his diet (same diet off as he is on) that within 6 weeks he SHOULD be feeling some strength increases in the gym? Yes I know test e takes longer for full effects to kick in but he SHOULD be feeling some effect even if a small one.

If we conclude yes to the above then I am gonna suggest it is the gear. Strength increase may not be dramatic but there should be something by week 6 as long as he hasn't DROPPED caloric intake. Even if poorly sleeping (we all do it) we still notice some increases as the weeks roll on.

[faller]

Here's a question for all.

He's on week 6. Can we all agree that if he made no changes to his diet (same diet off as he is on) that within 6 weeks he SHOULD be feeling some strength increases in the gym?


Yes...

[Repmeister]

Here's a good article that touches on some of the issues discussed here. I googled DC training as I am not familiar with it and found this. It is a long read but has some very useful info and philosophies.

After all that I am still not sure what DC training is LOL

http://freakzonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=22233

[ironwill]

Im going to make a post this afternoon with some sample dc workouts he sent me...And i will post part of my diet as well...It is from the man himself...I can help answer questions in there...I wont display everuything as it is not my program, but i can help out with some confusion...
It will be titled DC training..ez to spot i hope..

[Kronis]

Here's a question for all.

He's on week 6. Can we all agree that if he made no changes to his diet (same diet off as he is on) that within 6 weeks he SHOULD be feeling some strength increases in the gym? Yes I know test e takes longer for full effects to kick in but he SHOULD be feeling some effect even if a small one.


Definitely.

[O-Train]

Im going to make a post this afternoon with some sample dc workouts he sent me...And i will post part of my diet as well...It is from the man himself...I can help answer questions in there...I wont display everuything as it is not my program, but i can help out with some confusion...
It will be titled DC training..ez to spot i hope..

Looking forward to it. So much stuff gets mixed up in translation.

[canadianmuscle0803]

Dorian style training FTW!

[ironwill]

I posted the diet and 1 workout on training section...have fun boys and girls...
BTW, this works awesome for ladies as well, you shoukld see the weight CC chucks around these days after 2 yrs of hard training....better than some dudes in the gym, in all seriousness...
this is fun stuff..

[quebecbulk]

http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd264/thebitterlegion/Macros/Gifs/Jackson_popcorn.gif


What a fag!!:rofl

[BAM]

Keep blowing smoke up noobs asses, but those of us that have even moderate experience using test know whats what. Don't try to twist my words, I never said water weight alone was a way to judge testosterone.

This guy hasnt changed his diet. He isnt eating less, he added test. He should be stronger and hornier by week 8 at the latest and I would guess from what he says about his diet, he should be gaining weight.


my point is if yuou are using water weight as your judge to whether gear is good or not then I don't think your problem with empire had anything to do with the gear.


2ndly.. I was recently told that xxx had turned to garbage and to stay away from it although I used it last year with decent results.

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In other words I don't think you have a clue what you are doing and advising people should be left to those who actually know and not people like you who simple read forums.

Is that clear enough for you?

You can run from your statement and try to spin it all you want but you said water weight is a way to good judge of quality gear. I suppose if someone gains 2 new pimples that's a way for them to tewll if it's quality tooo huh?

[BDH]

Jesus.. when are those Mods starting???

[gustavo77]

Jesus.. when are those Mods starting???

Soon i hope...

[Seth]

protip: http://www.canadabodybuilding.com/forums/profile.php?do=ignorelist

[BDH]

protip: http://www.canadabodybuilding.com/forums/profile.php?do=ignorelist
I know, but then I get stuck reading replies to comments Ive never seen.

[tex]

protip: http://www.canadabodybuilding.com/forums/profile.php?do=ignorelist

well thats just not fun at all.......now i know why no one responds to my posts...damnit

[BDH]

Why is there a blank post right after mine??? LOL

[Kilburn]

Dorian style training FTW!

fuk that shit, id rather not blow out a bunch of tendons.

the human body can only take so much shit. the ammount of weight gear allows you to lift is unnatural, our bodies were not designed to do it, so your risk of injury is going to be that much greater.

[natenator]

fuk that shit, id rather not blow out a bunch of tendons.

the human body can only take so much shit. the ammount of weight gear allows you to lift is unnatural, our bodies were not designed to do it, so your risk of injury is going to be that much greater.
that explains how you can't barely hit 200lbs

[Big D]

natenator pic on someone your onw size haha :p

[Big D]

Why is there a blank post right after mine??? LOL

you see that too ? hahaha

[natenator]

natenator pic on someone your onw size haha :p
aww but it is funny taking on clueless retards who tell guys with double the lifestyle experience that they don't know what they're talking about. lol

[Big D]

lol

[canadianmuscle0803]

fuk that shit, id rather not blow out a bunch of tendons.

the human body can only take so much shit. the ammount of weight gear allows you to lift is unnatural, our bodies were not designed to do it, so your risk of injury is going to be that much greater.

right now im 245lbs @ around 12% bf and i just came back to lifting after 6 months off, i think your mistaken on Dorian style training. it actually allows your body to lift as much weight as possible with out burning yourself out with high reps that literally do shit all for muscle building.. you should try it sometime.

[quebecbulk]

fuk that shit, id rather not blow out a bunch of tendons.

the human body can only take so much shit. the ammount of weight gear allows you to lift is unnatural, our bodies were not designed to do it, so your risk of injury is going to be that much greater.

No offense bro but in this game the risk is the reward.

If your scared of blowing tendons then your in the wrong game...lol

I dont know of a whole lot of guys that can get supersized without risking lifting some heavy iron..

The only one that come to mind is Paul Dillett;)

[jsim30]

500mg isnt much bro. Are you taking only test? If so i would try to bump to 750mg or even 1000mg . . You will have fun with that

[BritishColumbian]

500mg isnt much bro. Are you taking only test? If so i would try to bump to 750mg or even 1000mg . . You will have fun with that

WRONG, My first cycle was 400mg/week of test, my diet was good and training was good and my gains were amazing, Infact I found it to be so awesome that I made my 2nd cycle test only @ 500mg/week. I thought why would I add anything to this because it seems so awesome by itself, and it was! Why would you make a first post like that with bad advice? If 500 isnt working Its time to look at diet and training~BC

ALSO~ This thread is months old.....duh

[jsim30]

ok your right, im sorry, im wrong, can you give me more advice. Im 15 and really want to get large.. Im sure this is the right place to look for advice and your the man to talk to....

[BritishColumbian]

Go away TROLL

[jsim30]

WOW, like i said im 15 turning 16 needed help to get large.. But now that i see you are proud that you have over 250 posts here makes me wonder.. Dont you have a life... I have won a junior show, and i only wanted some advice and wanted to give a little advice. I would be embarassed to say i posted 250 times.. Spend more time in the gym and less time on the web.. I guess thats what happens, non social guys stay home and post all day, while others are out there meeting real people and are having a real life! See ya! And when you win some shows too, let me know...

[Ritch]

^^^ Goodbye hoser.

[O-Train]

That is the fastest banning I have ever seen. Good job mods and MP, keep it up!

[kloan]

haha... i hope he's still reading this thread:

SEE YA DOUCHE.