Best AAS for getting ripped?

[MIAGIONJUS]

Hey guys, just wondering wat everyone considered to be the most effective AAS to get ripped, assuming diet and training are in order??? I have only tryed winy and had ok results, but wanna try somthin else out...

[ergie]

One word........Tren, winny is o.k but its so hard on the joints

[bigdaddydrew123]

i second tren, you can gain muscle as well as lose fat. diet is still key though

[TheBigStink]

mast & winny

[MIAGIONJUS]

what kind of tren would u recomend, and should I be taking a test as well?
thanks

[bigdaddydrew123]

what kind of tren should I run then, is there much diff., and i should take a test as well right?tren a is best for first time as its fast acting , if sides are bad you can stop and its out of your system in a couple of days. test is always your base for any cycle cutting or bulking. tren can shut down your sex drive , test will maintain that. im doing 50/ day tren plus 500 / week test. getting leaner all the time.depend alot on diet though. tren does make you irritable, but just be aware of it, youll be fine. you can also try 75 eod if you dont like eveyday shots.

[Mr.Freeze]

Trend ace. all the way and you could ad T3 if you like it spicy!!:D

[D-S]

If your going to run Tren you wouldn't need anymore than 50mg a day, even then it might be to high for your first time. Tren, Prop and winny or var, clen and your set as long as your diet is in check!

[bigdaddydrew123]

im doin 50/ day.first time. it can make you edgy irritable. could be diet too.75 eod seems to be about norm for first timers. results are incredible especially when your diet is on. other side i notice is night sweats. sweat like a pig while sleeping

[strongmann]

im doin 50/ day.first time. it can make you edgy irritable. could be diet too.75 eod seems to be about norm for first timers. results are incredible especially when your diet is on. other side i notice is night sweats. sweat like a pig while sleeping

thats when you know its working bro!!!

[MIAGIONJUS]

how long would u guys recomend runing tren for? 12 weeks, or is that too long?

[ergie]

12 weeks of tren is to long bud, I would say max of 8 weeks....... even with 8 PCT will be a joy

[D-S]

What Fergalicious said...keep it short and sweet my friend!

[bigdaddydrew123]

run your test longer than tren. say a couple of weeks. will help with pct. dont know if 12 weeks would be any worse than 8,i will let you know in about 12 weeks lol, it does work fast so youll def get results in 8 weeks i would however go at least 12 weeks with test

[D-S]

I used to shoot *********s cyclo-tren twice a day it was pretty good stuff...Thick like you wouldn't beilieve tho

You could run 2 weeks of that stuf and get the same results as you would 6 weeks of Tren A

[MIAGIONJUS]

man u guys are awesome!!! so now i guess the question is would it be ok to start a tren and test cycle while im still on M1T or just wait it out till im done the stuff??, only have bout 5 or so weeks left. I guess i could just stop M1T now couldnt I?

[D-S]

Stop M1t I absolutely hate it!!! toxic crappy stuff

[ergie]

true that, everyone thinks its o.k because it is sold out of supplement stores....... nasty shit

[germanbeast]

I don't like tren in my opinion nobody needs it because you can achive the same results with testo p only if you want to go on stage you have to be ripped to the shreds. Testo p high dose and T3 you need nothing more. You feel well on testo p compared to the bad side effects on tren. Additional to the side effects tren will change your blood count for months.

I will do in November my diet it will be with 700mg Testo P and T3. That's fine for me and works well. Maybe I have luck that my body reacts very well even on very low dose like 500mg testo e per week (bulking cycle)

[ergie]

Prop is good but Tren is stronger but ya it makes you feel off, T3 also makes me feel like shit though

[strongmann]

how long would u guys recomend runing tren for? 12 weeks, or is that too long?

12 weeks is too long, unless you can find a kidney donor!!!:D

[ergie]

I've got a kidney to spare, give you a good deal :D

[bigdaddydrew123]

12 weeks is too long, unless you can find a kidney donor!!!:D
i think the story of tren being hard on your kidneys is a myth. you wont find anything documented that its any harder on your kidneys than any other aas. the stories about bbers getting kidney failure were on such a cocktail of gear you cant blame any one supplement. the worst part of tren is irritability, if you can handle that no problem. just do a reasonable dose and most people dont have a problem with it. yes m1 t is garbage dont waste your money.

[germanbeast]

Prop is good but Tren is stronger but ya it makes you feel off, T3 also makes me feel like shit though
Tren is stronger yep but the side effects, too.
I think you have to compare always the side effects against the results that can be achived and in my opinion if you don't want to go on stage you don't need it.

On T3 (thyroid hormone) I feel very well. I have a lot of energy. You can see how different it works from user to user. I like it. :)

[bigdaddydrew123]

you gotta be real careful with your thyroid.you can screw it up for life if you dont do it right ,iwouldnt resort to that unless i was walkin on stage either.imo no you dont need tren to get ripped, you can get ripped on test alone if your diet is clean,but tren is one of the best for lean mass gains or contest prep

[D-S]

I know people who run tren low dose year run and all their blood tests check out, so I agree with the above on it not being terribly toxic to your kidneys

[germanbeast]

you gotta be real careful with your thyroid.you can screw it up for life if you dont do it right ,iwouldnt resort to that unless i was walkin on stage either.imo no you dont need tren to get ripped, you can get ripped on test alone if your diet is clean,but tren is one of the best for lean mass gains or contest prep

99% agree because I think it is a myth that thyroid hormones will kill your own production. I read it in books and on i-net site that this can be a side effect but I never heard about it. 100mcg per day for 6 weeks it will be ok. I use it several times and my doc checks my thyroids after that cycle. They need only 1 week to recover. It is even not needed to taper.

[germanbeast]

I know people who run tren low dose year run and all their blood tests check out, so I agree with the above on it not being terribly toxic to your kidneys

What do you mean with low dose?
Tren A shows his real face with 150-200ed. In my opinion everything lower then 100mg ed is waste of money. Maybe that is the reason why my blood result looks always bad :D

[Mr.Freeze]

What do you mean with low dose?
Tren A shows his real face with 150-200ed. In my opinion everything lower then 100mg ed is waste of money. Maybe that is the reason why my blood result looks always bad :D

Tren A shows his real face with 150-200ed.:eek: :eek: :eek:

[ergie]

What do you mean with low dose?
Tren A shows his real face with 150-200ed. In my opinion everything lower then 100mg ed is waste of money. Maybe that is the reason why my blood result looks always bad :D

Thats alot of tren........ can't even imagine what that would do

[germanbeast]

700mg Tren/week is unfortunately at the moment the standard what you can read in German foren if you go on high dose. Of course in combination with 700mg Testo/week.

One very good cycle is 500mg Testo E e3d + 200mg Tren E eod.
Week 1-20 Testo and Tren
Week 21-26 Testo only
Taper with Testo P week 27-33

It is interesting to see that you guys take tren for max 12 weeks.

Btw:
I am far away from these dosages. But one of my friends did that cycle and the result was amazing!

[Houstonbc]

100mg of tren ed i was ready to kill anyone within 10 feet of me

[germanbeast]

I can tell you that he had very often a roid rage at this time
One example: The door of his wardrobe don't want to lock 1 minute later there was no door anymore. :D
Usually he has a very good self-control but while the cycle he was a different person (something between Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde :D)

[ergie]

So thats why Markus Ruhl is as big as he is......... :D


700mg Tren/week is unfortunately at the moment the standard what you can read in German foren if you go on high dose. Of course in combination with 700mg Testo/week.

One very good cycle is 500mg Testo E e3d + 200mg Tren E eod.
Week 1-20 Testo and Tren
Week 21-26 Testo only
Taper with Testo P week 27-33

It is interesting to see that you guys take tren for max 12 weeks.

Btw:
I am far away from these dosages. But one of my friends did that cycle and the result was amazing!

[germanbeast]

Maybe :D

Sometimes they stack it with insulin up to 20iu.


I need nothing more then testo!
From my experience you can reach almost everything with testo only.
I like my testo! :)
I don't need that risky stuff! ;)

But I think I missed the topic. SORRY for the off-topic posts.

[bigdaddydrew123]

Maybe :D

Sometimes they stack it with insulin up to 20iu.


I need nothing more then testo!
From my experience you can reach almost everything with testo only.
I like my testo! :)
I don't need that risky stuff! ;)

But I think I missed the topic. SORRY for the off-topic posts.no doubt all you need to grow is test, king of all mass builders, nothing wrong with test only cycles, cheap too. ps im of german heritage good to meet you bros.

[MIAGIONJUS]

hey thanks for all the imput everyone!!!! Im gona figure out my cycle doses and then i'll post it so u guys can see if im on the right track :D

[MIAGIONJUS]

Hey wats up, so im gonna run the following:
Test Cyp. @ 500mg Mon&Thurs (1-12)
Tren A. @ 75mg EOD (1-8)
Nolva (12-16)

Will nova suffice in this case or should i pick up somethin diff?, Also i was thinken maybe taking d-bol for first four weeks. Again, the goal of this cycle is to get defenition and loose overall bf% while increasing strength and muscle buildup. Thanks again guys for the help, let me know wat u think :)

[MIAGIONJUS]

any suggestions anyone??

[ergie]

If your using the nolvadex for PCT your starting it to early as the test cyp will still be going strong, wait 2 weeks then start the nolvadex. You quite possibly run into some prolactin problems from the tren, IMO dostinex should be on hand just in case. In regards to the dbol I would say leave it out since it will bloat you and not help with your cycle goals of getting lean, just my 2 cents.

[sosa#1]

All I have been doing really for the last 2 years has been taking TNT whether bulking or cutting. I add in some dbols and deca for bulking and for cutting I just keep a clean diet. I just love this product.

[germanbeast]

If your using the nolvadex for PCT your starting it to early as the test cyp will still be going strong, wait 2 weeks then start the nolvadex. You quite possibly run into some prolactin problems from the tren, IMO dostinex should be on hand just in case. In regards to the dbol I would say leave it out since it will bloat you and not help with your cycle goals of getting lean, just my 2 cents.

100% agree.

But I would do the testo e cycle for 16 weeks.

[ergie]

All I have been doing really for the last 2 years has been taking TNT whether bulking or cutting. I add in some dbols and deca for bulking and for cutting I just keep a clean diet. I just love this product.

Both Deca and Tren in the same cycle? Thats gotta keep you shut down for awhile.........

[MIAGIONJUS]

would clomid be a better option than nolvadex in this case?, I read that nolva can actually make prolactin gyno even worse..? Just worried bout nasty bitch tits since this is my first tren cycle

[ergie]

personally I think thats a myth but if your worried about it ya run clomid instead, you might also want to run HCG throughout to make PCT a little easier....... 500iu E3D would probably suffice.

[MIAGIONJUS]

hmm ok, well gonna get the dostinex for sure, and possibly the HCG. Been doin some research and i think i'll stick with the nolva too.

[R.F.S.]

How about just test for 16weeks at 500mgs/wk?????

[MIAGIONJUS]

How about just test for 16weeks at 500mgs/wk?????

Yea ive tried that a couple times, but i seem to retain tons of water and look all bloaded, this was good at the time since i was looking to bulk though. I tried some winny as well at the end of my last cycle but the results were minimal. Hoping that with a clean diet and the tren + test i will loose some bf:)

[Mr.Freeze]

What about var?

[Mr.Freeze]

i was thinking you were talking to miagi!

[pseclint]

I would shoot the tren 50 ED for better results but 75 EOD will suffice..... good luck getting that ripped look with cyp at 500mg... you'll hold your water, maybe throw some arimy to help keep water off...... clen might also be a viable option....... most importantly though is going to be your diet.... if that is in check you will be good to go

[MIAGIONJUS]

Ive actually decided to throw in winny for the first three weeks at 50mg/day. Im takin 100mg tren.eod and 600mg/week of test C. I will finish my cycle with another 3 weeks of winny as well. Right now i am just over a week in and notice that i am gettin a little more definition. Also looks like im growin, but weight isnt increasing. Strength is also increasing dramatically and pumps are unbeleivable.

[germanbeast]

Best AAS to get ripped is VHT + kcal deficit + testo.
No tren as long as you don't wanna go on stage!

Life can be so simple, right? :D

[pseclint]

ahhh this seems familiar....... I wanna get ripped and big.........

[R.F.S.]

Yea ive tried that a couple times, but i seem to retain tons of water and look all bloaded, this was good at the time since i was looking to bulk though. I tried some winny as well at the end of my last cycle but the results were minimal. Hoping that with a clean diet and the tren + test i will loose some bf:)

The bloat issue is due to your diet, yes i know Test E. makes you retain some water but it's minimal if your diet is clean. Doesn't mean that your eating bad just means that you need to lower your carb intake a little.

[bigdaddydrew123]

Ive actually decided to throw in winny for the first three weeks at 50mg/day. Im takin 100mg tren.eod and 600mg/week of test C. I will finish my cycle with another 3 weeks of winny as well. Right now i am just over a week in and notice that i am gettin a little more definition. Also looks like im growin, but weight isnt increasing. Strength is also increasing dramatically and pumps are unbeleivable.
THATS THE TREN , IT KICKS IN UNBELEIVABLY FAST, PUMPS ARE GREAT, MY STRENGTH IS UP FROM IT AFTER 12 WEEKS OF CONTEST DIETING

[MIAGIONJUS]

yea i have to say that i am very impressed at how well this stuff works. Ive heard so many good things about it, just glad its living up to its reputation. :)