AM Insulin

[waderow]

I work out daily at around 6pm ish. That doesnt leave time for a pwo insulin jab. I take in carbs PWO and get a natty spike prior to meal though.

The most logical protocol for slin is either the long acting protocol, or a AM jab of fast acting.

Anyone have experience with AM slin? I would likely wake, take HGH (4iu).
Shit, shower, shave
Take slin
carbs and protein. NO FAT until evening meal.

Looking for feedback. Is it worth it? Will I just get fat?

This will be first time using slin, and am running HGH 4iu per day, test p at about a gram a week, and soon to be running NAPO dbol.

[JonnyO]

I train later than you at night and I take it EOD or so. You just have to get used to knowing when it peaks for you. Most guys I've worked with are fine taking their slin powo with some waxy or dextrose, creatine, etc whatever you prefer, have a shake shortly after with some oatmeal in it, then 45-60min later another meal with complex carbs and your good for the night.

Might want to wait for the weekend to test the waters so you can get the timing down right as it's different for all. Also use humalog!

[javin86]

I'm certinaly not an aas veteran, so I haven't ventured into insulin yet, but I love learning and researching, so i've developed a bit of an opinion. Seems the fast acting slin may actually be acting too fast primarily forcing glycogen uptake in the liver with very little if any effect on muscle cells. Also due to it's fast acting nature large amounts of foods are required to prevent hypoglycemia, resulting in much fat storage, primarily around the intestinal area (possible cause for turtle gut). Slow acting insulin is much easier to control. It gives your body enough time to develop anti bodies which take care of the unneeded insulin, meaning that you'll have a much easier time avoiding hypoglycemia. Also if i'm not mistake, the short acting insulin also blocks igf-1 receptors... I'll see if I can find the source for this.

in conclusion levemir or detemir are the way to go.

[MoooBaby]

I reccomend having canned cola on hand.
8iu with 80grams dextrose and a vitimin and 60grams whey with 1 litre water n 10grams creatine first thing in the am will get you nice n full with a huge breakfast 40 min later :)
LOTS of carbs, LITTLE fat. . you'll get pumps like you never imagined lol.

[ironwill]

Slin also helps alleviate SHBG, it is actually king in this dept...
AM slin is the way to go for this purpose (shbg lowering), 3-4ius of hum-r and keep fats lower for first 6 hours of the day and take in a decent amnt of carbs, its a low dose and doesnt require a whole lot if you dont desire..

[JonnyO]

Also due to it's fast acting nature large amounts of foods are required to prevent hypoglycemia, resulting in much fat storage, primarily around the intestinal area (possible cause for turtle gut). Slow acting insulin is much easier to control. It gives your body enough time to develop anti bodies which take care of the unneeded insulin, meaning that you'll have a much easier time avoiding hypoglycemia. Also if i'm not mistake, the short acting insulin also blocks igf-1 receptors... I'll see if I can find the source for this.

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Speaking from EXPERIENCE, if you know how to eat properly if anything you will get leaner, harder with Insulin, not fat!

Also Huma is alot easier to control than R as its in and out of you fast which is what you want powo. There are too many factors to contribute to the timing of R which will make it unpredictable, whereas with Huma you will know exactly when it will peak for you if you are in tune with your body when on it.

[ironwill]

Speaking from EXPERIENCE, if you know how to eat properly if anything you will get leaner, harder with Insulin, not fat!

Also Huma is alot easier to control than R as its in and out of you fast which is what you want powo. There are too many factors to contribute to the timing of R which will make it unpredictable, whereas with Huma you will know exactly when it will peak for you if you are in tune with your body when on it.
Honestly i agree with most of the posts i see you write...I disagree with one thing hee...I have learned from experiences good and bad that i have a way easier time with R, and i know exactly when i peak etc...After the gym is different than am shots big time as well, i am an am shot guy mostly, with some post work shots, rarely...I go hypo real easy post gym after a hard work session..
I fully agree that when you know what you are doing weight loss and fullness are pronounced effects from slin for sure..

[hyperlite32]

Could somone explain why/how slin will promote weight loss?

[ironwill]

it is used to get into ketosois much quicker, think along those lines to start...im to lazy to type it all out, and to busy as well...

[MoooBaby]

Total control of blood sugar if you get good at it. Total loss of life if you **** up.

[ironwill]

^^^thats true on both accounts...

[evoke]

Total control of blood sugar if you get good at it. Total loss of life if you **** up.

sounds like it's not worth it.

[ironwill]

Unless you know what you are doing, then its golden...

[MoooBaby]

It's risky as **** driving a car down the highway if you don't know how to drive too. . . .

[waderow]

It's risky as **** driving a car down the highway if you don't know how to drive too. . . .

good point