A mom in denial

[Big D]

this stuff make me mad, this lady sounds crazy.

[pinhead]

WOW. Sad for her.

[Illsuions]

Sounds more like they're more worried about themselves then there son. He's a kid and he's experimenting, take your head out of your ass lady and look around, you can't shelter kids and hide them from the world like people use to.

[Adonis13]

haha thats why religion has hurt more people then its helped

[champcar99]

Mom... Stfu...

[bigtavi8]

wowowowowow that is ridiculous...the majority of ppl lose there virginity before they leave highschool ( the ripe age of 18) SO THIS IS PART OF LIFE LADY! lol..I am a catholic but sometimes it feels like religion is almost cult like. NO sex, NO this, NO that, Put your money in the basket for the chuch.. I dont no....

[Big D]

shit like that drives me insane, I hate people like that, they sound like they're brain washed.

[L3]

ppl like this make me want to defacate on sacred objects and throw it at them

[Seth]

I feel bad for the kid though. Like he's ever gonna try to come out with a mother like that..

[flapjack]

What a fuking hypocritcal, insecure ****.

Praise the lord!

[BAM]

this stuff make me mad, this lady sounds crazy.

That makes you mad because what? because you dont believe in the Christian God? WTF does her belief system have to do with you? Quite frankly, its none of your business.

Personally, imo, I think homosexuality has been promoted by the powers that be and that many cases of homoseuality are indeed free choice. I'm pretty sure if we raised our kids to **** sheep and made it seem normal, they'd all be ****ing sheep.

**** all of you that attack people's religions. You undermine freedom.

[RagingRandy]

This letter seems staged to me. It reads like an anti-religious homosexual zealots belief of what others think. For instance, no mainstream Christian organization I know of condemns condom use except the Catholic Church. If this letter was written by a Catholic she would have been going to see her priest not her pastor.

No need to flame me as you can not determine the actual author. It could have easily been a 12 year old boy as a 40 year old mother.

[ironwill]

[QUOTE=BAM;145663] I'm pretty sure if we raised our kids to **** sheep and made it seem normal, they'd all be ****ing sheep.

QUOTE]

Thank-you, now i feel normal......I knew i was onto something as a teen...baaaaaa-baaaaa:p

[flapjack]

**** all of you that attack people's religions. You undermine freedom.


Just as you are free to believe in religion, others (including myself) are free to not believe in it.

So....**** us all, I guess.

Now let's get back to lifting.

[Serja]

bah, religious debate on forums always turns bad.

[pinhead]

Takes out popcorn and reads :)

[Seth]

She has the right to be religious, as long as her religious ways do not conflict with someone else's most basic rights; dignity. If she makes her son ashamed of who he is, just because she's religious, then her "right" goes too far. The same goes the other way too. I just think we live in a society with norms, we try to accept everyone and respect the norms at the same time, but its not always possible. I just try to do my best to respect every rights in order of importance, otherwise some people end up with more rights at the expense of someone else

[warlock]

This is the reason the incidence of suicide among teen homosexuals is much higher than among heterosexuals.

[warlock]

Personally, imo, I think homosexuality has been promoted by the powers that be and that many cases of homoseuality are indeed free choice. I'm pretty sure if we raised our kids to **** sheep and made it seem normal, they'd all be ****ing sheep.

Can you elaborate on that???

I have much more experience in the subject (as far as I know) than you and I have never seem anything that corroborates what you say. I'd appreciate if you could prove your point of view.

Now, using bestiality and homosexuality in the same sentence is quite old and just makes you loose authority and come across as a bigot.

[warlock]

Knowledge about the work of Dr. Kinsey should be mandatory to individuals thinking about talking human sexuality.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfred_Kinsey

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinsey_scale

[spankmonkey]

Issues NOT to debate, religion, politics and homosexuality. No one will EVER win.
If in fact the post is true, then I feel for the boy with an overbearing mother with a twisted sense of priority. It reads as though she is in heavy denial and should be learning about the realities of teenagers from somewhere besides the bible. Additionally she should have her head surgically removed from her ass, or her pastures ass, because it sounds like it is firmly planted. Jm2c

[RagingRandy]

She has the right to be religious, as long as her religious ways do not conflict with someone else's most basic rights; dignity. If she makes her son ashamed of who he is, just because she's religious, then her "right" goes too far. The same goes the other way too.
I am glad you said this. I suppose you would feel the same way if she was to abort a child because it was not "normal". With your argument the child's rights trump the mothers. Well said.
Take a look at the video Mr.O posted. Many, including those in the medical profession would have snuffed out his life long before he was born. It is a good thing he has Christian parents who see the value in human life.

http://www.canadabodybuilding.com/forums/showthread.php?t=5603

[ironwill]

bah, religious debate on forums always turns bad.
is that bah, or baaaaaaah:troll

[O-Train]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5S1AKXrNbUo

[Seth]

I am glad you said this. I suppose you would feel the same way if she was to abort a child because it was not "normal". With your argument the child's rights trump the mothers. Well said.
Take a look at the video Mr.O posted. Many, including those in the medical profession would have snuffed out his life long before he was born. It is a good thing he has Christian parents who see the value in human life.

http://www.canadabodybuilding.com/forums/showthread.php?t=5603

Abortion is a whole other thing. You have to define when the fetus becomes a human being, because when it is one, you have to take his rights into account. I've met people who consider a 3 week fetus to be a human. Personally I don't think its one before birth. That being said I wouldn't go about aborting at the 3rd trimester... that would be troubling for the surgeons for the least. Anyways, what I'm saying is that in the particular situation where the mother hasn't giving birth yet, my opinion is that the decision to do so or not is still hers. (I'm pro-choice, can you tell? :p but I totally understand the reasoning you're making; if you consider it human, no, she hasn't the right to abort unless its for the own good of the child)

[Bowlcut]

All I am going to say is no kid would want to be gay for the fun of being excommunicated by his family and beat up at school.

[champcar99]

shit like that drives me insane, I hate people like that, they sound like they're brain washed.

they are "brain washed" the Mother was trying to brain wash her son probably before he could walk . He had no choice ..Now that he is a teenager he can make his own mind up and decides to not go to church and he get's in touch with his sexual feelings but his mother thinks something is seriously wrong with her son and starts crying out for help, when all that is happening is he is making his OWN choices in life...

[nisser]

All I am going to say is no kid would want to be gay for the fun of being excommunicated by his family and beat up at school.

Are you sure?! Who doesn't like those two things??

[faller]

Our inlaws are like that mother. Religion has nothing to do with it, it's just the vehical she happens to be useing. Bottom line she's a shitty parent who's priorities are fcked up. Her perfect little world is not as it should be..

[kloan]

Can you elaborate on that???

I have much more experience in the subject (as far as I know) than you and I have never seem anything that corroborates what you say. I'd appreciate if you could prove your point of view.

Now, using bestiality and homosexuality in the same sentence is quite old and just makes you loose authority and come across as a bigot.
No point trying to argue with him man.. just click the link in his signature and you'll see why.

[Nodscene]

**** all of you that attack people's religions. You undermine freedom.

So you have a problem with someone who speaks their beliefs, and in doing so somehow infringes on freedom itself (pot meet kettle), but you have no problem believing that anyone who doesn't follow your religion is going to hell and will suffer eternal pain and suffering? You realize that that's like, lots of people right? And eternal is like, a really, really long time.

Ok, just checking.


I also don't quite understand your whole sheep metaphor. Last I checked I couldn't find one parent who is raising their kids to be homosexual.


Kloan, you are probably right. I just couldn't resist.

[BAM]

So you have a problem with someone who speaks their beliefs, and in doing so somehow infringes on freedom itself (pot meet kettle), but you have no problem believing that anyone who doesn't follow your religion is going to hell and will suffer eternal pain and suffering? You realize that that's like, lots of people right? And eternal is like, a really, really long time.

Ok, just checking.


I belong to a religion?


I also don't quite understand your whole sheep metaphor. Last I checked I couldn't find one parent who is raising their kids to be homosexual.


Society, the media etc..

[kingofthegeeks]

I am going to start my own religion, and call it common sense! In todays world i probably won't get a whole lot of disciples but the ones i do get will be easy to convince of my doctorine. In this particular case the religion of common sense would say that finding a picture of naked men in your teenage sons room means its more likely he is expirementing with his own sexuality rather than his teenage girlfriend he dosen't have brought it into his room.

[Seth]

I am going to start my own religion, and call it common sense!

I'm in! Any perks with your religion? like polygamy or a sacred knife we have to carry around?

[dainbramaged]

they are "brain washed" the Mother was trying to brain wash her son probably before he could walk . He had no choice ..Now that he is a teenager he can make his own mind up and decides to not go to church and he get's in touch with his sexual feelings but his mother thinks something is seriously wrong with her son and starts crying out for help, when all that is happening is he is making his OWN choices in life...

Respectfully, this is a 'moot' point. One could also flip this argument and suggest that when one enters the public school system, they are also 'brain washed' since they're being educated and in a sense indoctrinated into a system that teaches more than just math, reading, writing, etc. Our modern education system also has taken on the roll of moralist, particularly in the absence of parental influence. Is this right or wrong, I can't honestly say. Does the education system have a bias? I would say, absolutely.

I would also respectfully suggest that it might be worth considering that if you have/will have kids, you would want to raise them in what you think is morally correct. I don't think you'd want an outside influence moulding your child into what you don't want them to be. I realize this applies in an overall sense too, for any person of any belief system or moral standing.

This entire thread will/has become useless, unless one's looking to create some debate or hostile arguing. There are those who will always take diverging sides to almost any argument. For a conservative Christian or right-leaning person homosexuality will be considered wrong (because a conservative Christian will always base their moral compass on the Bible). There are those who are more liberal and may have their moral compass pointed in a different direction who will consider homosexuality a freedom of choice. Personally, that's the only way I would present that general argument. I would not go so far to suggest that where the government is involved, should we hold to that as our foundation of truth. Governments come and go and are extremely influenced by outside forces and to suggest they are absolutely right is also to suggest they are infallible. Just an opinion.

[ironwill]

I'm in! Any perks with your religion? like polygamy or a sacred knife we have to carry around?or multiple wives????:p

[natenator]

or multiple wives????:p
who the hell wants multiple wives? 1, I imagine, is PLENTY!

[kingofthegeeks]

I'm in! Any perks with your religion? like polygamy or a sacred knife we have to carry around?

In my new religion, called the church of common sense:

1. You may only have one wife of primary commitment however since men are by nature not monogomous, you may have up to three additional girlfriends at any one time, however your wife may do the same!

2. You have the final decision on all things regarding your lifestyle and choices as long as none of them do harm to another human being.

3. You may choose to create an idol to worship however the time would be better spent gathering with friends and family on whatever day of the week is most convenient to you than gathering with strangers on a predetermined day of the week, however we will all get together once annually to appreciate each other and our differences.

4. We are all equal, and as such there is no higherarchy and no pastors to consider more godly than others.

5. We don't want your money, keep your tithe and take your family on a vacation and have some fun.

6. I love you, you love me, we're a great big family!

[ironwill]

who the hell wants multiple wives? 1, I imagine, is PLENTY!
:fb

[ironwill]

6. I love you, you love me, we're a great big family!

Isnt that the theme song from teletubbies...lol

[Big D]

haha list me

[BrownDevil]

Isnt that the theme song from teletubbies...lol

Barney.

[ironwill]

Thanks BD, my problem is i cant get it out of my head now..

[faller]

Respectfully, this is a 'moot' point. One could also flip this argument and suggest that when one enters the public school system, they are also 'brain washed' since they're being educated and in a sense indoctrinated into a system that teaches more than just math, reading, writing, etc. Our modern education system also has taken on the roll of moralist, particularly in the absence of parental influence. Is this right or wrong, I can't honestly say. Does the education system have a bias? I would say, absolutely.

I would also respectfully suggest that it might be worth considering that if you have/will have kids, you would want to raise them in what you think is morally correct. I don't think you'd want an outside influence moulding your child into what you don't want them to be. I realize this applies in an overall sense too, for any person of any belief system or moral standing.

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And this is why we pulled our children out of public school at a very young age. Both our kid's went to a private Christian school, not nesassarly for christian schooling but because they strongly encouraged parental invlovement.

[kloan]

In my new religion, called the church of common sense:

1. You may only have one wife of primary commitment however since men are by nature not monogomous, you may have up to three additional girlfriends at any one time, however your wife may do the same!

2. You have the final decision on all things regarding your lifestyle and choices as long as none of them do harm to another human being.

3. You may choose to create an idol to worship however the time would be better spent gathering with friends and family on whatever day of the week is most convenient to you than gathering with strangers on a predetermined day of the week, however we will all get together once annually to appreciate each other and our differences.

4. We are all equal, and as such there is no higherarchy and no pastors to consider more godly than others.

5. We don't want your money, keep your tithe and take your family on a vacation and have some fun.

6. I love you, you love me, we're a great big family!
Sounds like I've already been a member of this religion for sometime now...

Common sense prevails!