first cycle

[achtungbaby]

31 years old, 6'2, currently coming in at 200 pounds, not sure of the bf% but no less than 15-16% I assume. Goals are to gain mass and drop fat. I've always had a hard time gaining mass regardless of training and diet, both of which I have worked at hard since I started to train ~5 years ago.

After a ton of reading, here and elsewhere, I see the majority of people suggesting a simple 10-12 week of testosterone 500 mgs (injected over two shots per week). One thing I notice is everyone has a different opinion on PCTs - Clomid, Nolva....etc. Any adivce is very much appreciated, as replies or PMs. Thanks!

[Kiem]

Hard to drop fat and gain mass at the same time. Check out the thread below. Gust outlines a great begginers cycle along with pct. Stick to straight test for this cycle.

http://www.canadabodybuilding.com/forums/showthread.php?t=5575

[Namelessone]

Regardless of what you stick in your body it all boils down to training and diet. With the right training which would include Cardio and an in check diet you should be able to burn off some fat and gain or at the very least maintain muscle on Test-E 500mg

In my opinion the ultimate fat burning cycle is Test/Tren/Anavar...

[theboss]

Namelessone.....I would not suggest Tren for a first cycle......or a cycle with 3 compounds for that matter, although I know people do it.

Just TEST for your 1st cycle will make drastic changes in your physique if you can eat & train properly.

For PCT....Nolva is all i did...but i would suggest adding Clomid.

[Namelessone]

Namelessone.....I would not suggest Tren for a first cycle......or a cycle with 3 compounds for that matter, although I know people do it.

Just TEST for your 1st cycle will make drastic changes in your physique if you can eat & train properly.

For PCT....Nolva is all i did...but i would suggest adding Clomid.

Yup, not suggesting it. Thats why I said it all boils down to diet and training and Test-E 500mg will do just fine.

[BolicPower]

I would work on de bulking first and then when at end of cycle, start to diet to get your cutting.

[varking]

Test e 500mg for 10 weeks will work great if your diet is go to while on cycle you can lose fat and gain crazy muscle..

[achtungbaby]

Test e 500mg for 10 weeks will work great if your diet is go to while on cycle you can lose fat and gain crazy muscle..

Thanks! That's what I was expecting...My diet is pretty good already and being a cycle will only make me work at it harder.

How about a PCT? 4 weeks of Nolva @ 40/40/20/20 good enough for a first cycle of test only?

[jmaker]

Most people here are gonna suggest you run HCG during your cycle, then follow up with clomid or as you said, Nolva.

[theboss]

i dont feel HCG is necessary for Test only cycles......but it does help.

[jmaker]

I thought you'd run HCG with anything that shuts you down, test being one of them.

[achtungbaby]

Would an OTC anti-estrogen be enough should there be any gyno development?

[Houstonbc]

/\ no you would need the real deal

[ezturbo]

My first cycle, I began with test 500mg biweekly, and I massed and burnt a hell of a lot of fat, not even much cardio involved. I went from 205lbs 20%bf, to 207lbs 9%bf in 16weeks. My diet was nothing more then a crap load of protein shakes, eggs, milk, milk, milk, oatmeal, and cheerios, and fruits, and steaks all weekend. Really boring. But wow did it ever make the time spent in the gym worth it. It transformed me basically. Extremely lean (compared to what i was) and big. I never once plateaud strengthwise the whole cycle, my training was strictly 'lift heavy'. Test is incredible.
Enjoy yourself man its an awesome trip.

[gustavo77]

Would an OTC anti-estrogen be enough should there be any gyno development?

NONE.

[Boulderer77]

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[pinhead]

Basic test is a good start with a basic pct. Either clomid or a combo of clomid/nolva and you should do fine.

[tex]

id go longer than 10 week with enth or cyp....12-16 weeks......

[achtungbaby]

looking like this if things fall into place: 12 weeks of test cyp, 2 injections of 200mg per week.

[Dk]

looking like this if things fall into place: 12 weeks of test cyp, 2 injections of 200mg per week.

id do 500 mg, but ya 400 is fine.

for pct just hit nolva 40/20/20/20/20