Proviron-Winny 50mg-T3-GH----Thoughts?

[Old-Dog]

I plan on using 20mg a day Proviron(Reduce Water in the face) accompanied with 50mg winny(Reduce water off the body) and a cycle of T3(Reduce my winter fat).

Of course I am running GH at 3iu per day(Keeps me young) but.

Just wanted some feedback; This is going to be a fat-burning bridge between cycles. A more fitness look rather than beefed up.

Thoughts?

I plan to run this 4 weeks.

Then clen/gh for 4 weeks.

Then stay clean till summer.(Try to)

[Blitz-Test]

I plan on using 20mg a day Proviron(Reduce Water in the face) accompanied with 50mg winny(Reduce water off the body) and a cycle of T3(Reduce my winter fat).

Of course I am running GH at 3iu per day(Keeps me young) but.

Just wanted some feedback; This is going to be a fat-burning bridge between cycles. A more fitness look rather than beefed up.

Thoughts?

I plan to run this 4 weeks.

Then clen/gh for 4 weeks.

Then stay clean till summer.(Try to)

Personally i would run it something like

1-8 HGH 3iu/ed
1-8 Testosterone Propionate 75mg/eod (Giving you just over 250mg/week, which wont add bloat but will aid in fat loss and increased muscle)
1-4 50mg Proviron/ed
1-4 25-50mg Winstrol/ed
1-4 T3 Taper Up then Down
5-8 Clen Taper Up then Down

[natenator]

8 weeks of GH won't do shit.

T3 + clen start from day 1 (get ketofin to stay on clen without on off on off)

[Praetorian]

I plan on using 20mg a day Proviron(Reduce Water in the face) accompanied with 50mg winny(Reduce water off the body) and a cycle of T3(Reduce my winter fat).

Of course I am running GH at 3iu per day(Keeps me young) but.

Just wanted some feedback; This is going to be a fat-burning bridge between cycles. A more fitness look rather than beefed up.

Thoughts?

I plan to run this 4 weeks.

Then clen/gh for 4 weeks.

Then stay clean till summer.(Try to)

If fat loss and muscle retention is your primary goal then I would suggest running the cycle for 8 weeks straight.
Proviron is unecessary unless you are running something that aromatizes and in larger doses. Even then aromasin or femara are a much better choice.
I agree with nate that test prop is a much better idea...I would run a minimum 500mg per week for muscle retention...so 150mg EOD even with this dose an anti E shouldnt be necessary. Run the T3 and clen concurrently as well...increasing the dose every week to a maximum 75mcg T3 and 120mcg clen. You shouldnt need ketotifen with this dosing cycle. The gh at 3iu per will work nicely for fat loss as well.
What does your diet and cardio look like...this is far more important.
P

[MAJIN VEGETA]

You don't need the Test prop or any other test in there, just increase everything, instead of 4 weeks, go 6-8 weeks, Proviron 50 to 100mg a day
winny 50mg a day T3 25mcg a day with clen 20-100mcg a day.
Leave the GH out of the mix, or take the GH but take it longer, something like 1-2ius per day for 3-6 months anti-aging, and if you cant afford it leave it out.

Test is not needed in this cutting cycle, your dick will be fine and so will your libido no need for test problems, estrogen gyno progesterone none of that crap will even come close to happeing with the above cycle just do proper pct Clomid, nolva whatever, lots of herbs horny goat weed, tribulus, yohimbe.

I think people forget that Provrion free's up test and helps reduce estrogen in the body, and at the same time the winny will also decrease progesterone sides and they both will help you mentaly in the gym as well as increase your libido, Remember Proviron and winny free up circulating testosterone, binds very well to SHBG. If you must do test, do it at the end of the cycle IN a HRT method low dose test cyp 100-200mg(depends on age) a week for as long as you want then if you decide to come off completely, taper off the test and of course repeat PCT clomid, nolva herbs horny goat weed, tribulus, yohimbe.





MAJIN VEGETA

[faller]

Wow 100 mg. Proviron ed!! I'm a big fan of proviron, just never heard of a dose that high.. Could you explain the reason for the high dose? Not dissing ya bro, just really would like to know.

[MAJIN VEGETA]

Things don’t work like the first time for me anymore, I have tried tbol and proviron, winny, anavar all at 100mg, not all at the same time but at one time or another at 100mg, I don’t know, the larger I have gotten 300+ pounds the more it seems I need to feel the product working also I only take those doses for 4-6 weeks and everything is spaced properly for my body, you really have to get to know what works for you and at the same time what hurts you, I can no longer Take Nolva personally because for some reason it shuts my immune system down fast, so I stick with femara or clomid or both. Now for injectable’s the complete opposite, I no longer need high doses of anything to feel it working, I stay on test cyp throughout the year at 100-200mg every week, and I feel great, I get a lot of my gear prescribed from a DR and all of my blood work always comes back normal, I have come off the gear every once and a while with no issues, longest coming off was a year but generally I feel better on and if there is no complications, I see no reason of getting off. I have my body covered, I also take a drug called Avodart every day, works wonders for my hair line and at the same time keeps the prostate in check, if you’re one of those guys that has issues. I know there are many guys here that don’t need doses that high for orals but go crazy on the injectable’s, to each their own, everyone is different and what works for me may or may not work for you, also here is some info on proviron.

When a reasonable dose of this stuff is given (100-150mgs/day), it had no depressing effect on low or normal serum FSH and LH levels (6). Follicle Stimulating Hormone (FSH) and Leutenizing Hormone (LH) are two hormones which send a signal to your testes to produce testosterone. Good news for people considering it for PCT is that it can even raise your LH (10)! Thus, by not suppressing those hormones and maybe even raising some, your normal testosterone levels will remain intact. This points to a novel use for this compound during Post-Cycyle-Therapy for a non-suppressive "bridge" between cycles. In fact, in yet another study, administration of Proviron (basically the same dose as in the last study) produced no changes in steroids, thyroid hormones, gonadotropins nor PRL (Prolactin Levels& you want those to remain low). (8).


I have always wanted to be bigger and sometimes that means taking a bigger dose. Yes training and diet are a billion times more important but my results speak for themselves and so do my experiences with these drugs.


MAJIN VEGETA

[MAJIN VEGETA]

Or should I say a big example. Markus 1990 in the one picture and 1995 in the other 5 years to make that monster, I am sure he wasnt using your typical doses of anything. Again what works for some doesnt always work for others.

I am always surprised that Markus was able to get to an even crazyier stage in eleven short years.

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MAJIN VEGETA

[faller]

Thanks for the info. While we're on the subject, and you seem to know your stuff, is there a limit to how long a guy can stay on Proviron? There's lots of info on the use of it but there doesn't seem to be anything on long term use.

I'm on HRT and i love what Proviron does for me, libido wise :D, was wandering if there are any negative reason's for staying on Proviron year round?

[MAJIN VEGETA]

I wouldn’t it could do some damage if tests aren’t done regularly, but otherwise it’s really up to you. No one can tell you what you want to do, and no one can tell you how you want to feel day to day. My DR understands me completely and understands that what makes us human is more than just are great brains, but the hormones that control us day in and day out, Women in general take more crap then we do, they are the number one consumer of steroid products, I ask you what is more profound then turning off the production of a females eggs, something that took millions of years to do we take it away with a simple pill. Steroid inhalers, Birth control and when women get to that fine age of no more periods a lot of them go crazy because of the hormone fluctuations, so DRs give them estrogens/ progesterone or even some time`s testosterone or a combination of all. What happens to most men we get stuck with nothing because most men won’t help themselves and most DR are pricks so men slowly become women. So faller I say do what makes you feel good day to day, and do it wisely, get the blood tests done and keep on making sure that you feel good mentally but at the same time your insides are feeling just as good.
I want to add something on a side note to this, Dr’s love to prescribe anti depressants, I for one have never taken any and don’t understand the logic behind most DR prescribing it to people that feel depressed or have anxiety in life, they should be doing the hormone tests first and foremost. All anti depressant do the same thing but in a way that isn’t slightly natural chemically trying to alter hormones and hoping for the best, when they should be prescribing hormones to fix the hormonal imbalance because it’s also hormones that work with the brain, serotonin, and a lot of females especially women that have just given birth that have post partum depression, for the longest time Dr had nothing to help them with except chemicals they thought may help, usually making things worse when all they had to do was administer a simple hormone test to see that there progesterone was completely out of wack.
Sorry for rambling on.

MAJIN VEGETA

[Praetorian]

You don't need the Test prop or any other test in there, just increase everything, instead of 4 weeks, go 6-8 weeks, Proviron 50 to 100mg a day
winny 50mg a day T3 25mcg a day with clen 20-100mcg a day.

CAPS ARE USED ONLY TO SEPARATE MY COMMENTS...IMO TEST IS USED ONLY FOR MUSCLE RETENTION PURPOSES, LIBIDO WAS NEVER THE ISSUE. WINSTROL IS 17AA AND WILL STRESS THE LIVER NOT TO MENTION SUPPRESS HPTA-LESS MIND YOU THAN TEST BUT NONE THE LESS. iT ALSO IS A COSMETIC AGENT AND UNLESS YOU ARE VERY LOW BF YOU WILL SEE LITTLE EFFECTS, A LOW BF &#37; WHILE ON 150MG EOD PROP WILL KEEP YOU JUST AS HARD. ESTROGEN WAS NEVER A CONCERN ON 500MG WEEKLY PROP, UNLESS YOU HAVE A SEVERE ISSUE OF GYNO THE CONVERSION TO ESTROGEN IS QUITE LOW. IT HAS ALSO BEEN SHOW SHORT ESTERS AFFECT HPTA MUCH LESS THAN LONG ESTERS AND RECOVERY IS MUCH FASTER. PROGESTERONE IS NOT A CONCERN. PROVIRON IS A VERY WEAK ANABOLIC AS IS WINSTROL AND WILL DO LITTLE FOR MUSCLE RETENTION ESPECIALLY IN THE PRESENCE OF EXOGENOUS THYROID. PROVIRON ALSO HAS A HIGH AFFINTITY FOR BINDING TO THE RECEPTORS IN THE SCALP AND PROSTATE WHICH CAN CAUSE UNDESIRABLE SIDES.PROVIRON IS BASICALLY METHYLATED DHT (1-METHYL).

Leave the GH out of the mix, or take the GH but take it longer, something like 1-2ius per day for 3-6 months anti-aging, and if you cant afford it leave it out.

THE GH IS USED EXCLUSIVELY FOR FAT MOBILIZATION WHICH BEGINS IMMEDIATELY, GROWTH AND ANTI AGING WERE NON ISSUES

Test is not needed in this cutting cycle, your dick will be fine and so will your libido no need for test problems, estrogen gyno progesterone none of that crap will even come close to happeing with the above cycle just do proper pct Clomid, nolva whatever, lots of herbs horny goat weed, tribulus, yohimbe.

IMO CLOMID AND OR NOLVA PLUS THE HERBS MENTIONED WOULD BE CONSIDERED QUITE WEAK PCT FOR MOST

I think people forget that Provrion free's up test and helps reduce estrogen in the body, and at the same time the winny will also decrease progesterone sides and they both will help you mentaly in the gym as well as increase your libido, Remember Proviron and winny free up circulating testosterone, binds very well to SHBG. If you must do test, do it at the end of the cycle IN a HRT method low dose test cyp 100-200mg(depends on age) a week for as long as you want then if you decide to come off completely, taper off the test and of course repeat PCT clomid, nolva herbs horny goat weed, tribulus, yohimbe.

RUNNING A LONG ESTER TEST AT THE END OF THE CYCLE WILL AGAIN SUPRESS HPTA AND REQUIRE MORE AGGRESSIVE PCT AFTER THE FACT.

P





MAJIN VEGETA
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[Old-Dog]

Just on a side note, to respond to one reply, I too know that 8 weeks of GH will do very little. I have been running 3-5iu per day for 3 years.

I was only stating what else I would be running.

I don't feel like running test. I have been running 750mg per week for months and my PCT was deadly. So, no test.

I felt the winny will maintain muscle mass while using T3 and the proviron will provide me the lean fitness look while adding a edge to my workouts.

I will increase my proviron to 50mg EOD, but no more. I have nice hair, I want to keep it.

Otherwise, thank you all for providing me with such a quick repsonse.

Markus is sick!!!

[MAJIN VEGETA]

RUNNING A LONG ESTER TEST AT THE END OF THE CYCLE WILL AGAIN SUPRESS HPTA AND REQUIRE MORE AGGRESSIVE PCT AFTER THE FACT.

For those wanting to come off agreed the pct would have to be aggressive, but for those just cruising right back onto test HRT, they should be fine.
I always recommend herbs while on or off cycle among serms, they truly do help. There are many cheap options out there and I see no reason not to spend the extra money to make sure your levels are all balanced, I mean you spend a shit load on the gear might as well spend a shit load on the recovery as well, it's just as important, more so.

MAJIN VEGETA

[Praetorian]

RUNNING A LONG ESTER TEST AT THE END OF THE CYCLE WILL AGAIN SUPRESS HPTA AND REQUIRE MORE AGGRESSIVE PCT AFTER THE FACT.

For those wanting to come off agreed the pct would have to be aggressive, but for those just cruising right back onto test HRT, they should be fine.
I always recommend herbs while on or off cycle among serms, they truly do help. There are many cheap options out there and I see no reason not to spend the extra money to make sure your levels are all balanced, I mean you spend a shit load on the gear might as well spend a shit load on the recovery as well, it's just as important, more so.

MAJIN VEGETA

Agreed I feel that PCT is overlooked and is as if not more important than the cycle itself. Everyone loves to plan a cycle and gets all excited about but somehow PCT never comes into the equation. You end up worse off than before you started ...muscular, endocrine, and financially wise.
Just another thought..i feel Old Dog could reach all of his goals minus any aas whatsoever. A decent diet, cardio, maybe a bit of clen is all that is required after decent PCT. But then i was just trying to answer the question posted.
P

[Old-Dog]

I agree.

I have been doing 45min per day. 15 incline at 4 speed tredmill.

5 on 2 off.

Diet has been decent but nothing to brag about.

I have been using clen but my doses are small. no more than 100mcg per day.

I have this sticky fat at the bottom of my stomach like a half a hotdog bun.

It's fricken annoying when the rest of my body is ripped. I am at 10% BF right now and down to 174lbs. That's a cut from 198lbs.

I feel good, I just think the T3 will destroy that final bit of flab and I can resume some off time with simple diet and cardio till spring.

I mean, I already lost 24lbs. I don't want to dip under 170lbs. YIKES. Be like grade 9 all over again.

[faller]

Be like grade 9 all over again.

Lol, no kidding! I think i was maybe 150 soaking wet back than.

[shooter100]

wow

[kloan]

wow

#1 post of the week right there folks... thanks for the contribution

[MAJIN VEGETA]

hahahaha very funny kloan hahaha, almost in tears cracking up over your post, nice one.

MAJIN VEGETA