ECA Stack?

[Ogrew]

So i bought myself some:
ephedrine 8mg
caffeine 200mg
and going out to buy aspirin...

Never done this stack before, whats the safest way to do it?
how much and when do i take it?

ps- also started dave palumbo keto diet the other day

[Praetorian]

So i bought myself some:
ephedrine 8mg
caffeine 200mg
and going out to buy aspirin...

Never done this stack before, whats the safest way to do it?
how much and when do i take it?

ps- also started dave palumbo keto diet the other day

I would suggest you avoid ECA especially on Dave's diet.
ECA = stimulants=over stressed adrenals=high cortisol production=muscle loss=long hard withdrawl periods= weight (fat) gain
If you want somethign to assis t in fat loss why not try his Lipolyze and Somalyze products or clen. all three are much safer than ECA. Just because something is available OTC doesnt mean it is safe and effecttive.
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[natenator]

I would suggest you avoid ECA especially on Dave's diet.
ECA = stimulants=over stressed adrenals=high cortisol production=muscle loss=long hard withdrawl periods= weight (fat) gain
If you want somethign to assis t in fat loss why not try his Lipolyze and Somalyze products or clen. all three are much safer than ECA. Just because something is available OTC doesnt mean it is safe and effecttive.
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Insulin for example ;)

[Ogrew]

hmmm where there goes 20 bux, what type of cutting diet would u try ECA on?

[Ritch]

You really seem like a guy who knows his stuff praetorian but I really think the cortisol increase is exagerated. Think of it this way. When dieting the eca really helps most people get better workouts and stay in a better mood. I think if you taper off the eca it would make for a smoother transition. And comming off any fat burning stack there will be fat gain. Whether it`s clen, t3 or eca. Another pick your poison scenerio. But I do agree with you clen would be the best option, but not everyone can get their hands on it.

Personally I feel stuff like t3 is only for people who compete. I can be wrong in regards to the dangers of t3 but still don`t think there is any exuse to justify it`s use. Have never heard an opinion on Dave`s stuff that isn`t biased, would like to hear if any of the guys on this site has used them though.

[juced_porkchop]

i think clen is muc MUCH worse then ephedrine.

[natenator]

FYI: unless you are working with Dave can people NOT call it his diet? It is your diet. If it was his you would have hired him.

[Ogrew]

well im just referring that im eating exactly what was in an earlier post for daves VERSION of the keto diet i guess you could call it...

and i cant get my hands on clen or w/e and dont really want to so ECA was my best option

time will tell

[Ritch]

Actually just call it the ec stack. No asparin needed. But can add some other stuff when the results begin to slow down. Start slow with the ephedrine (8mg) just to be safe, and work your way up to no more than 24mg three times a day. To avoid nervessnous, and anxiety with the ephedrine, eat it mid meal or near the end of the meal. The first time I tried ephedrine was a full 25 mg with an asparin and a black coffe. Long story short, couldn`t finish my workout and had to lie down in the stretchin area for 30 minutes because I wasen`t feeling good.

[Praetorian]

i think clen is muc MUCH worse then ephedrine.

You are entitled to your own opinion even if it is incorrect.
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[Praetorian]

You really seem like a guy who knows his stuff praetorian but I really think the cortisol increase is exagerated. Think of it this way. When dieting the eca really helps most people get better workouts and stay in a better mood. I think if you taper off the eca it would make for a smoother transition. And comming off any fat burning stack there will be fat gain. Whether it`s clen, t3 or eca. Another pick your poison scenerio. But I do agree with you clen would be the best option, but not everyone can get their hands on it.

Personally I feel stuff like t3 is only for people who compete. I can be wrong in regards to the dangers of t3 but still don`t think there is any exuse to justify it`s use. Have never heard an opinion on Dave`s stuff that isn`t biased, would like to hear if any of the guys on this site has used them though.

The effects of ECA in the short term are really not noticeable so things appear groovey...lets say. BUT and that is a big but (no pun intended) over the long term which happens all the time (guys like the stimulant effect) as you say helpd them focus etc the effects become quite devastating. The adrenal fatigue brought on by ECA after cessation is brutal. You will gain weight (fat) and feel like dog crap period. Cortisol will be quite high and this combination is devastating to say the least because training becomes impossible mentally for most. As for T3 it should only be used in conjuntion with GH or AAs to avoid muscle loss. I have used Species products and so have my clients...Ihave nothing but good things to say about them...and I think most supps are crap period.
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[Ritch]

Let`s not forget how well it cuts appetite. For some that alone is worth it. To support addrenal fatigue l-tyrosine can be added post ec stack. For the mental addiction going from taking it 3 times a day to 2 times a day for a week or so then 1 1/2 times a day for the same time then just once a day most likely in the morning to get you going. But still the risk of addiction is high and still remember how depressed I felt for a good month after having used it for 3 months straight. Good to know you approve of species nutrition, I trust your judgement. But would still much rather use clen any day of the week.

[Praetorian]

Let`s not forget how well it cuts appetite. For some that alone is worth it. To support addrenal fatigue l-tyrosine can be added post ec stack. For the mental addiction going from taking it 3 times a day to 2 times a day for a week or so then 1 1/2 times a day for the same time then just once a day most likely in the morning to get you going. But still the risk of addiction is high and still remember how depressed I felt for a good month after having used it for 3 months straight. Good to know you approve of species nutrition, I trust your judgement. But would still much rather use clen any day of the week.

Clen curbs appetite in most as well...on a keto diet appetite control is a non issue anyway.
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[Ritch]

I most likely don`t have as much experience with clen as you but never really felt the appetite suppresion or ever used it for that. But never went over 40mcg a day and not more than 3-4 weeks. At what dose do you typically see this at? Also keto diets as you can most likey agree with me are not for everyone. As a matter of fact for the average person looking to get lean I wouldn`t even think it`s necesary. I can see why you think highly of them because from what I understand you work with people who are looking to get competion cut. These people are way more motivated and willing to suffer, getting them past the 2 week adjustment period most will fail to pass through. The average joe just can`t hack it, too many social engagements where they will give in.

[natenator]

Clen curbs appetite in most as well...on a keto diet appetite control is a non issue anyway.
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this is quite true. When I run keto I am never hungry which is a bit of a problem because I am so used to feeling hungry (not starved) while dieting for a show that it makes it virtually impossible to miss a meal. Keto, I will often miss meals because my body isn't screaming at me for food lol

[natenator]

I most likely don`t have as much experience with clen as you but never really felt the appetite suppresion or ever used it for that. But never went over 40mcg a day and not more than 3-4 weeks. At what dose do you typically see this at? Also keto diets as you can most likey agree with me are not for everyone. As a matter of fact for the average person looking to get lean I wouldn`t even think it`s necesary. I can see why you think highly of them because from what I understand you work with people who are looking to get competion cut. These people are way more motivated and willing to suffer, getting them past the 2 week adjustment period most will fail to pass through. The average joe just can`t hack it, too many social engagements where they will give in.
"nothing worth having comes without some kind of fight"

If your goal is to get in shape (for whatever reason) then you adjust your priorities accordingly. People who aren't serious will always come up with an excuse for why something failed (social engagements for example) instead of putting the blame solely on their own shoulders.

[Ritch]

"nothing worth having comes without some kind of fight"

If your goal is to get in shape (for whatever reason) then you adjust your priorities accordingly. People who aren't serious will always come up with an excuse for why something failed (social engagements for example) instead of putting the blame solely on their own shoulders.

I agree with what you say, and most people aren`t as serious as they claim to be and having them do a diet like this is way over their head. There are many ways to skin a cat and you can`t really say keto is the only way. I would say it`s in the bag of trick of any good trainer. Saying it`s the only way is sounding crazy like Mike Mentzer claiming his method is the only way to train.