are we taking to much far??

[grindtight]

i posted a thread about how much var some bros take out of interest....now i came across a site about var and the info about the var was typical except they stated that a person should calculate there dose as such...0.125mg of var per pound of body weight and you should see good results....what say u bros good or bad info???

[nitrous]

that sounds too low for me... i liked it at double that actually and if i use it again i will probably go even higher..

[Seth]

25mg for a 200lbs adult would be pretty weak. Many people said on your other thread that they didn't see any results under 40mg/day

[Namelessone]

I was on 20mg a day and recently bumped it up to 40mg per day and see/feel a difference. I'm 232 lbs.

[#8]

i would love to experiment with anavar at above 100 mg / day, alas I cant afford that. Is there such a thing as injectible var?

[Redz]

I have ran winny at 100mg daily. If I were to try anavar I would take atleast that dose but its too expensive so I just stick with other DHT's

[metis boy]

Does seem abit low... i had great results at 30 mgs of var... maybe that dosage is meant for legit Human grade var not UG???

[ironwill]

Well, i am a low dose guy...ive said a few times...I take 20-30 mgs of var, with 300 mgs of test and 200 mgs of masteron and i look and feel great...Easy to recover from and wicked results...
i have tried going above agram total with all compounds once and i didnt like the way i felt...Maybe someday ill try again, but for now it works well for me..

At a bodyweight of 250ish lbs i need 31 mgs of var according to the calc...thats a fairly lean bodyweight for me...

[tex]

Just because one thing works at 100mg doesn't mean another compound is necessary to run at 100mg as well. That's foolish.

50-60mg of Var ED is tons. Anything over 80mg ED I found not to do much. 50-60 didnt do much of anything for me......i thought 80 was ok.....i think 100+ for 6 weeks would be killer (esp to cholesterol and wallet)....

[2Thick]

I recently completed two cycles of var-only at 20-25mg/day for 16 weeks and made solid, permanent gains without sides and without the need for PCT.

If you push the dosage past 30-40mg/day, you will start stressing your liver and initiate toxic hepatitis, steatitis and possible chronic fibrosis.

If you are not making noticeable gains in strength and lean body mass with 20-40mg/day, then your diet is lacking. Oxandrolone is highly dependent on protein consumption (even on a calorie restricted diet), so higher dosages will not net any gain without a corresponding adjustment in diet.

[Redz]

I know a girl who took 30mg of var daily, almost no guys use doses that low that I know of. If it works for you then great but I prefer higher dosing.

[2Thick]

I know a girl who took 30mg of var daily, almost no guys use doses that low that I know of. If it works for you then great but I prefer higher dosing.

You can do whatever you like to your body, but at least do tests to check pre and post liver values to moniter any possible changes.

[tex]

I recently completed two cycles of var-only at 20-25mg/day for 16 weeks and made solid, permanent gains without sides and without the need for PCT.

If you push the dosage past 30-40mg/day, you will start stressing your liver and initiate toxic hepatitis, steatitis and possible chronic fibrosis.

If you are not making noticeable gains in strength and lean body mass with 20-40mg/day, then your diet is lacking. Oxandrolone is highly dependent on protein consumption (even on a calorie restricted diet), so higher dosages will not net any gain without a corresponding adjustment in diet. so a 230lb man with a daily protein intake of 300-400 (depending on if its a workout day or rest) has insufficient protein intake? thats how much protein I was getting on a daily basis with the var @ 20-40mg and I didnt see anything significant.......the dose you speak (20mg) f would equal to 140mg per week......for a 230lb man that would be .086mg per 1b of bodyweight per day...that is low for even theraputic(sp...its early) use......i wont ever use var again or any oral for that matter....so I'm not really biased....and i am a low dose advocate......but I just didnt see ANY benefit to using var below 60mg per day for me.......

[tony_canuck]

i also think some people react differently to the dosage level. I personally know the difference between me and some guys I know. I can grow a ton from low dosages and the guys complain saying they need double or triple the amount. Personally I would start at a low dose and see the results. If I need more I can run higher levels and see how I look

[metis boy]

i also think some people react differently to the dosage level. I personally know the difference between me and some guys I know. I can grow a ton from low dosages and the guys complain saying they need double or triple the amount. Personally I would start at a low dose and see the results. If I need more I can run higher levels and see how I look

Same here. Big fan of low dosages and like you if you need more just up it. I too also know of other people who run quite a bit more than me and get about the same result. differnt pokes for differnt folks i guess.

[jsv22]

i had a buddy gain about 12lbs off a 10 week cycle of var at 30mg/day...and another gain about 10lbs at 60mg/day for 8 weeks...they really loved it, didn't give them any atrophy at all from what they said
i hear you can get some amazing gains when you got over 100mgs/day...

-jsv

[2Thick]

If you equate "significant gains" with a significant LBM gains (i.e. 5% weight gain) during a cycle, then you are using the wrong anabolic product.

Oxandrolone is highly anabolic but not very androgenic. Highly anabolic compounds prevent muscle breakdown and enhance protein use to build muscle. They are not used to pack on bulk.

I am sure you knew this, but it is worth mentioning because we sometimes forget that if we gained 5% during every cycle, a 170lb guy would be at 200lb (w/same BF as when he began) in less than a year...and we all know that hardly ever happens with heavy cycles over a year.

What would you consider significant gains from var?


so a 230lb man with a daily protein intake of 300-400 (depending on if its a workout day or rest) has insufficient protein intake? thats how much protein I was getting on a daily basis with the var @ 20-40mg and I didnt see anything significant.......the dose you speak (20mg) f would equal to 140mg per week......for a 230lb man that would be .086mg per 1b of bodyweight per day...that is low for even theraputic(sp...its early) use......i wont ever use var again or any oral for that matter....so I'm not really biased....and i am a low dose advocate......but I just didnt see ANY benefit to using var below 60mg per day for me.......

[tex]

significant would have been 5lbs.........and that was at a doseage of 80mg........i noticed a small increase in strength but that could have been the test.....

[2Thick]

significant would have been 5lbs.........and that was at a doseage of 80mg........i noticed a small increase in strength but that could have been the test.....

Ok, so you are telling me that you were on a cycle of Test AND var and somehow knew what var was or was not doing for you?

Anytime you use test with anything highly anabolic (masteron, primo, var, winstrol etc), you are not going to notice any direct effects b/c of the androgenic & anabolic properties of test.

lol...

[tex]

nope.....i have another cycle to compare with.....and results were better w/out the var and just a bit more test.....and i didnt say i was speaking for everyone that ever took var....thats just how it was for me...btw it wasnt weight which i was looking for with var...twas strength and it didnt come like i thought it would.....i'm sure you think you did great off 20-25 mg......cheers.......xox.....

[physique]

Well, i am a low dose guy...ive said a few times...I take 20-30 mgs of var, with 300 mgs of test and 200 mgs of masteron and i look and feel great...Easy to recover from and wicked results...
i have tried going above agram total with all compounds once and i didnt like the way i felt...Maybe someday ill try again, but for now it works well for me..

At a bodyweight of 250ish lbs i need 31 mgs of var according to the calc...thats a fairly lean bodyweight for me...

If you read what some of the more knowledgable people in this industry recommend for drugs. You are doing the norm!
i just read that majority people on the net take wayyyyyyyyyyy to much stuff! The results from 500mg test a week and 1000+ is so minisule, that basically more is a waste.

I myself havent used a whack of stuff and i have no problem gaining using 500mg test a week, and maybe 100mg tren enth a week.
Plus i have seen countless guys in the gym use Var at 30mgs a day and gain good managable weight. managable to means easily obtainable when you stop.

Ever wonder where some of these dosages internet gurus recommend came from?

[metis boy]

If you read what some of the more knowledgable people in this industry recommend for drugs. You are doing the norm!
i just read that majority people on the net take wayyyyyyyyyyy to much stuff! The results from 500mg test a week and 1000+ is so minisule, that basically more is a waste.

I myself havent used a whack of stuff and i have no problem gaining using 500mg test a week, and maybe 100mg tren enth a week.
Plus i have seen countless guys in the gym use Var at 30mgs a day and gain good managable weight. managable to means easily obtainable when you stop.

Ever wonder where some of these dosages internet gurus recommend came from?

AMEN!:hu

[ironwill]

If you read what some of the more knowledgable people in this industry recommend for drugs. You are doing the norm!
i just read that majority people on the net take wayyyyyyyyyyy to much stuff! The results from 500mg test a week and 1000+ is so minisule, that basically more is a waste.

I myself havent used a whack of stuff and i have no problem gaining using 500mg test a week, and maybe 100mg tren enth a week.
Plus i have seen countless guys in the gym use Var at 30mgs a day and gain good managable weight. managable to means easily obtainable when you stop.

Ever wonder where some of these dosages internet gurus recommend came from?

I have always been a low guy, but when i hired a couple of good trainers in the past (1 was a pro) and saw their recommendations i was baffled...They suggested low doses and mostly only test and very simple stuff..Prior to that i had only read stuff on the net and tried my max of 1200 mgs for 3 weeks, and dropped back to 500 mgs of test as a high end and felt great..I was puzzled, i wondered what was wrong with me?? lolol
I often wonder about some buck 80 lbers doses and cycles, crazy stuff i see at times..
Good post phys